Best Deal

[JakeTheSnake630]

Who got the best cooperation deal in organized crime history? Gravano? Leonetti? Johnny Martorano? Martorano might have gotten the best deal imo. Confessed to a bunch of bodies that he personally killed, didn't do much time at all, and got money from the gov't when he got out. What other deals should be in the conversation? Would love to hear some thoughts.

[Hired_Goonz]

Salemme got a hell of a deal as well. Only did a few years and only had to cop to a handful of murders from 30 years prior, just as if bodies hadn't been dropping in Boston all through the late 80s and early 90s. Didn't work out too great for him in the end though but he only has himself to blame for that.

I read on here about a guy from Youngstown OH who I guess ran the Pittsburgh family's crew out there who got a short sentence when he flipped but also was allowed to keep millions of dollars. I don't remember the name or all the real details but I remember being shocked that he got such a sweetheart deal.

[Pogo The Clown]

I read on here about a guy from Youngstown OH who I guess ran the Pittsburgh family's crew out there who got a short sentence when he flipped but also was allowed to keep millions of dollars. I don't remember the name or all the real details but I remember being shocked that he got such a sweetheart deal.

Lenny Strollo


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[SonnyBlackstein]

Scarpa.

[Hired_Goonz]

I read on here about a guy from Youngstown OH who I guess ran the Pittsburgh family's crew out there who got a short sentence when he flipped but also was allowed to keep millions of dollars. I don't remember the name or all the real details but I remember being shocked that he got such a sweetheart deal.

Lenny Strollo


Pogo

Thanks. I don't remember the exact details of that guy's story but it was pretty wild what happened and if I'm not mistaken the guys on here who live there said Strollo lives there openly.

Another Boston guy who got a sweet ass deal was Kevin "Two" Weeks. I think he did like 5 years and he was a part of Bulger's most gruesome murders, those of the young women. Or if I'm wrong it was only 1 girl but I think he was involved in at least 3 murders overall. A lot of shady shit happened in Boston and there's always coverups and sweetheart deals etc. Look at that Patrick Nee who I don't think ever openly flipped but he was released like 7 years into a 30 year sentence and never got charged for the murders Weeks put him in.

[B.]

Massino. He was the end of the food chain and cooperated to escape the death penalty + family asset seizure but ended up getting released. Didn't even do much time all things considered and only had to testify once.

I've wondered if they gave Massino such a big break to encourage other bosses to cooperate in the future.

[newera_212]

As far as cooperator goes, Massino for sure. I don't think we'll ever see anything like that again. Not saying we won't ever see a sitting boss, or an acting boss, cooperate ever again... but for Massino it seemed like he had all the pieces of the puzzle the government wanted at the time *combined* with the fact that he was a sitting boss...and he was someone that was able to elude them for like 15'ish (?) years.

No way of knowing for certain but I'd go out on a limb and speculate that if the previous admin level people who flipped from NY did what Massino did...basically take it all the way to trial and THEN cooperate after you blew trial... I doubt they would have gotten such a sweet deal. At least that's what I'd like to think. Maybe Gravano, but no way someone like D'Arco or anyone else is getting a sick deal like that after blowing trial. It's one thing to flip in holding, in plea talks, before trial - but to go all the way through trial, blow it, and then say you're ready to flip - that throws out every single pretense there is about someone flipping. It's not someone turning a corner, feeling bad, wanting to make something right. They essentially said they were innocent until it was proven they weren't, then they were ready to flip. It screams pure opportunity and Massino was a big enough whale (pun intended) that any pretense of flipping for anything beyond personal gain was out the window and everyone was okay with it. I'd like to think that the government gained more than Massino on that play but I'm not so sure.

If you want to talk about best DEAL in general - cooperator or non cooperator - the Lucchese global plea that had people like Frank Lastorino, Frank Papagni, Gorge Conte, George Zappola, et. al. see the light of day again ... that's probably one of the best deals known to man.

[The Greek]

Scarpa.

No one in history gave up what Scarpa gave up. If you consider being allowed to stay on the street a sweet deal then imo he can't be touched. If you're talking sentencing deal then that's another story.

[furiofromnaples]

Giovanni Brusca a mafioso that killed over 150 people including a kid and the judge Falcone after 25 years is free. More or less 2 months for every murder,a good deal.

[Ivan]

I don't remember the exact details of that guy's story but it was pretty wild what happened and if I'm not mistaken the guys on here who live there said Strollo lives there openly.

He had a prosecutor shot and a couple other people killed and only served like 10 years. They let him keep all his money (it was over $10 million) and he lived openly in Campbell, Ohio (Youngstown area town).

He died last year. Last Pittsburgh member to go.

[CornerBoy]

I don't remember the exact details of that guy's story but it was pretty wild what happened and if I'm not mistaken the guys on here who live there said Strollo lives there openly.

He had a prosecutor shot and a couple other people killed and only served like 10 years. They let him keep all his money (it was over $10 million) and he lived openly in Campbell, Ohio (Youngstown area town).

He died last year. Last Pittsburgh member to go.


unreal. 10 million and conspired to whack prosecutor? the ten mill can't be from rackets? more likely real estate bought many yrs ago if i had to guess.

[JakeTheSnake630]

Scarpa.

Should Scarpa count though since he was cooperating while he was active? That would be like including Bulger. I was just talking about those who cooperated after they were convicted or indicted. Joe Massino is another one I should have included.

[JakeTheSnake630]

Massino. He was the end of the food chain and cooperated to escape the death penalty + family asset seizure but ended up getting released. Didn't even do much time all things considered and only had to testify once.

I've wondered if they gave Massino such a big break to encourage other bosses to cooperate in the future.

Yea that's a great example and really the only example of its kind because he was the top of the food chain like you said

[JakeTheSnake630]

Salemme got a hell of a deal as well. Only did a few years and only had to cop to a handful of murders from 30 years prior, just as if bodies hadn't been dropping in Boston all through the late 80s and early 90s. Didn't work out too great for him in the end though but he only has himself to blame for that.

I read on here about a guy from Youngstown OH who I guess ran the Pittsburgh family's crew out there who got a short sentence when he flipped but also was allowed to keep millions of dollars. I don't remember the name or all the real details but I remember being shocked that he got such a sweetheart deal.

That's right I forgot about his deal, Salemme really screwed himself.

[JakeTheSnake630]

Thanks for all the input guys!