Mob Talk Sitdown 26

[chin_gigante]

New Mob Talk:

https://youtu.be/D63zaxy7HAA

[Teddy Persico]

Servidio and Co. got off easy if they only get 10 years. Brainless II did too since his drugs killed someone.

Alright, speculation time. Which two murders do you think they the Feds are coming down with?

[chin_gigante]

In an old edition of Mob Talk for Fox 29, they mentioned that the feds had a good idea on what was going on with the Johnny Casasanto hit but didn't have enough evidence at the time. It always comes up as one of the unsolved cases they would like to close the book on. That would probably include Lancellotti and Ligambi (don't know how you would get the evidence tying them to it but I suppose we're not supposed to know until indictments come down) so there's the hierarchy aspect they mentioned this episode. That looks like a strong possibility to me.

[JeremyTheJew]

he said Mousie is fighting his appeal?
hes been in for lile 10 yeara hasnt he?

[dack2001]

I'd guess Long John Martorano, simply because there was so much talk surrounding it when it happened. Seems they had suspects early on and I thought someone gave some info about that hit, maybe a blocker, Fred Angelucci, I think. That said, trying to indict Joey and his guys for murders that happened when they were in federal prison would be a tough sell. Could be Ronnie Turchi also, I suppose. They have the Crumb. That one would also be used to tie in Joey's guys as that one happened after Ralph flipped and Joey was picked but before the other guys were indicted. If I had to guess, I'd go with Turchi and Long John. Be fascinating if they tried to indict for Gongs hit though, just so many alternative theories with that one. I'm sure Chico DeBarge has friends.

[slimshady_007]

I'd guess Long John Martorano, simply because there was so much talk surrounding it when it happened. Seems they had suspects early on and I thought someone gave some info about that hit, maybe a blocker, Fred Angelucci, I think. That said, trying to indict Joey and his guys for murders that happened when they were in federal prison would be a tough sell. Could be Ronnie Turchi also, I suppose. They have the Crumb. That one would also be used to tie in Joey's guys as that one happened after Ralph flipped and Joey was picked but before the other guys were indicted. If I had to guess, I'd go with Turchi and Long John. Be fascinating if they tried to indict for Gongs hit though, just so many alternative theories with that one. I'm sure Chico DeBarge has friends.

What about the DiPietro murder?

[NJShore4Life]

If I had to take a guess I would bet the two murders they’re talking about are the Gongs hit and the DiPietro hit. It’s always been said the Feds/Cops know everyone who did both hits they just don’t have enough evidence. Might be why they’re waiting to indict Dom as well for the drugs because they’re waiting to add the DiPietro hit to the indictment in which its alleged he was the trigger man. Again, just a guess/theory of mine...

[slimshady_007]

Besides Anthony Nicodemo and Damian Canalichio, who else was suspected in being involved with the Johnny Gongs hit?

[Mikeymike12]

Wonder who Stevie Gong’s thought was behind his brothers death when he broke in and saw him

[dack2001]

George seems to know the two murders, he made the point to say that the Feds were looking at an indictment that brought everyone together. He also mentions indictments hitting guys getting out. That's either Staino, Mousie, or Canalichio, none of which are involved in DiPietro. Additionally, when DiPietro got shot, Uncle Joe and George were in the middle of a re-trial. The idea that either of them endorsed the hit on DiPietro, while in trial for their lives, is nuts. That's why I went with the two that I did. I think if its anyone else it would be Gongs, especially if they are pleading out the guys in Jersey without indicting Dom.

[Stroccos]

George seems to know the two murders, he made the point to say that the Feds were looking at an indictment that brought everyone together. He also mentions indictments hitting guys getting out. That's either Staino, Mousie, or Canalichio, none of which are involved in DiPietro. Additionally, when DiPietro got shot, Uncle Joe and George were in the middle of a re-trial. The idea that either of them endorsed the hit on DiPietro, while in trial for their lives, is nuts. That's why I went with the two that I did. I think if its anyone else it would be Gongs, especially if they are pleading out the guys in Jersey without indicting Dom.

They could approved the hit and and it went off half cocked when they executed it

[slimshady_007]

George seems to know the two murders, he made the point to say that the Feds were looking at an indictment that brought everyone together. He also mentions indictments hitting guys getting out. That's either Staino, Mousie, or Canalichio, none of which are involved in DiPietro. Additionally, when DiPietro got shot, Uncle Joe and George were in the middle of a re-trial. The idea that either of them endorsed the hit on DiPietro, while in trial for their lives, is nuts. That's why I went with the two that I did. I think if its anyone else it would be Gongs, especially if they are pleading out the guys in Jersey without indicting Dom.

They could approved the hit and and it went off half cocked when they executed it

Why would the mob need uncle joe and george’s approval? If anyone, they prob had to go to joey, who was in town around the time of the hit for his father’s funeral. Grande could avoid an indictment on the murder if hes smart and managed to keep quite about the hit.

[dack2001]

SS, I agree. Can you imagine sitting in detention, fighting for your life after serving 13 years, and have someone asking you for permission to kill some asshole over an insult at a card game or failure to pay a debt or whatever? No way, I don't see anyway the hit went through George and Uncle Joe. They were probably pissed as shit when it happened. More likely, Joey, if he was involved, may have told Nicodemo to deal with it how he saw fit or said go ahead and be careful but Nicodemo was picked up right away and Dom, if he was even the shooter, wouldn't have talked with anyone about it other than the top so who would know unless they used blockers. But blockers on a hit where they stake out all day and use their own car? Doesn't smell right. Remember, the State couldn't even proffer a motive at trial. If they had the goods on that one, they would have indicted them all with Dom when the group in Jersey got picked up. I think thats where the delay is coming from in that case. I don't think they bring a big indictment unless they can bring in Joey, George, Steve Mazzone and Joe Ligambi along.

[Chucky]

I think Lancellotti was tied to the Gongs hit when it went down, I doubt he would fall through the cracks again for a RICO case.

[Stroccos]

SS, I agree. Can you imagine sitting in detention, fighting for your life after serving 13 years, and have someone asking you for permission to kill some asshole over an insult at a card game or failure to pay a debt or whatever? No way, I don't see anyway the hit went through George and Uncle Joe. They were probably pissed as shit when it happened. More likely, Joey, if he was involved, may have told Nicodemo to deal with it how he saw fit or said go ahead and be careful but Nicodemo was picked up right away and Dom, if he was even the shooter, wouldn't have talked with anyone about it other than the top so who would know unless they used blockers. But blockers on a hit where they stake out all day and use their own car? Doesn't smell right. Remember, the State couldn't even proffer a motive at trial. If they had the goods on that one, they would have indicted them all with Dom when the group in Jersey got picked up. I think thats where the delay is coming from in that case. I don't think they bring a big indictment unless they can bring in Joey, George, Steve Mazzone and Joe Ligambi along.

I was talking about Merlino approving it , Guess we will see when they unseal it