Montagna's Epic Potential to Be Canada's Boss (scarpos claim montagna was aligned w the cartels)

[JeremyTheJew]

Was montagna backed by the ndrangheta in ontario/toronto as well as mexican cartel?

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[OlBlueEyesClub]

He had some backing from Ontario, I believe. Never heard that Mexican Cartel stuff, I don't know about that.

[JeremyTheJew]

I didnt either about the cArtel thats why I asked.i read it in ed scarpo article and it just seemed weird

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[Rocco]

I don't think that the Cartel backs anyone or gets involved that way at all. They are wholesalers thats it. They may sell their drugs on the wholesale level to these different OC groups and Gangs...but then that's it. They do not get involved that way. Think about it. Its a bad business plan. Who ever posted that is talking out of their ass.

[JeremyTheJew]

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[HairyKnuckles]

Don´t start two threads on same topic. We don´t want this forum to turn into a gangsterbb fuck fest.

[furiofromnaples]

Only the Colombians in the 70s and 80s were wholesalers and directly involved with the street gangs. The Mexicans just sale drugs to anyone can pay it.

[JeremyTheJew]

Don´t start two threads on same topic. We don´t want this forum to turn into a gangsterbb fuck fest.

Yeah i didnt want it to. I use tapatalk so when i said post it to this forum thats how ot comes out. Sorry.

Solai can u put this in the othert topic plz

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[OlBlueEyesClub]

Ed Scarpo has been wrong on a lot of things. I personally wouldn't put too much credence into his articles. And to clarify my earlier posts, Montagna didn't have the Ontario backing from the Calabrian clans, Desjardins did. And through Desjardins, Montagna had the privilege of their backing by extension. But it was for a short time only as history has shown, once he and Desjardins began arguing and Desjardins decided to have nothing to do with Montagna, away went his 'Ndrangheta backing along with Desjardins.

[Rocco]

Only the Colombians in the 70s and 80s were wholesalers and directly involved with the street gangs. The Mexicans just sale drugs to anyone can pay it.

Correct and they sell to people who can usually move the product which are street gangs and other OC groups. Who else would buy allot of product?

[OlBlueEyesClub]

Credit to antimafia for first posting this article on gbb, at least that was the first time I had seen it...

http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-n ... ntagna-hit


These are some of the infamous blackberry messages that Desjardins traded with Vittorio Mirarchi, that was talked about in the book, Business Or Blood, but not actually released for publication until last Friday. They give insight on the deterioration of Montagna's and Desjardins relationship and the planning that Desjardins group took to killing him. They also plotted to kill the Arcuri brothers, who were essentially Montagnas only allies. Desjardins mocks Montagna , and basically refers to him as Busch league when compared to himself. He basically says he and his group were the big boys and Montagna and the Arcuris were essentially nothing. Mirarchi also believed the Sollecitos were up to something at the time, but nothing came of it then. This puts an end to the speculation of Montagna having 'Ndrangheta backing, and Cartel backing, and in my opinion, Bonanno backing, or any other NY family for that matter. It was essentially him and the Arcuri's.

[Lupara]

Ed Scarpo has been wrong on a lot of things. I personally wouldn't put too much credence into his articles. And to clarify my earlier posts, Montagna didn't have the Ontario backing from the Calabrian clans, Desjardins did. And through Desjardins, Montagna had the privilege of their backing by extension. But it was for a short time only as history has shown, once he and Desjardins began arguing and Desjardins decided to have nothing to do with Montagna, away went his 'Ndrangheta backing along with Desjardins.

Source?

[Lupara]

Credit to antimafia for first posting this article on gbb, at least that was the first time I had seen it...

http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-n ... ntagna-hit


These are some of the infamous blackberry messages that Desjardins traded with Vittorio Mirarchi, that was talked about in the book, Business Or Blood, but not actually released for publication until last Friday. They give insight on the deterioration of Montagna's and Desjardins relationship and the planning that Desjardins group took to killing him. They also plotted to kill the Arcuri brothers, who were essentially Montagnas only allies. Desjardins mocks Montagna , and basically refers to him as Busch league when compared to himself. He basically says he and his group were the big boys and Montagna and the Arcuris were essentially nothing. Mirarchi also believed the Sollecitos were up to something at the time, but nothing came of it then. This puts an end to the speculation of Montagna having 'Ndrangheta backing, and Cartel backing, and in my opinion, Bonanno backing, or any other NY family for that matter. It was essentially him and the Arcuri's.

There were others who were backing Montagna such as Antonio Pietrantonio, Lorenzo Lo Presti and Moreno Gallo.

[B.]

One important part of Montagna's story is that he was under George Sciascia, the captain and representative of the Montreal crew. This means that Montagna was technically a member/associate of the Montreal decina, even though he and Sciascia were NY-based. This combined with Montagna being born in Montreal and seeming to have family or social ties to the area makes it very possible that Montagna had visited Montreal previously on Sciascia's behalf given that Sciascia was barred from entering Canada. There may have been some existing relationships between Montagna and the Montreal crew.

After Sciascia was killed, Dom Cicale says Montagna was placed under Patty DeFilippo. The DeFilippos were no strangers to Canada, as Vito DeFilippo oversaw the Bonanno's Canadian interests after Carmine Galante went away. Both Vito and Patty DeFilippo, along with Bill Bonanno, were arrested in Canada where they were attending Vito Rizzuto's wedding in the 1960s. Also, based on some comments from Stefano Magaddino in the 1960s, it sounds possible that Patty DeFilippo was used by his father as a messenger to Canada in the 1960s. I'm not saying that Patty DeFilippo maintained any kind of relationship to Montreal later on, only that he has a history there.

Before we can definitively talk about Montagna, I feel more research needs to be done into his background in NYC. He was a Canadian-born, Sicilian-raised member aligned with the Bronx, but with strong ties to Ridgewood where he was one of the more prominent up-and-coming "zips" by the early 2000s. When he became acting boss, he was underestimated by both mob buffs" and the media (who called him the "bambino boss"). He maintained this position for years without incident even though he was incorrectly assumed to be a Basciano stooge who was promoted out of desperation.

During his time as boss there was even the murder of a made member, a rare occurrence these days. Anthony Seccafico was a soldier from the same crew as Montagna who had apparently insulted other members of the Bonanno's Bronx crew, including captain Patty DeFilippo. It's likely that Montagna was involved in this murder, possibly even ordering/approving it as the acting boss.

Montagna's run at the top was only disrupted when he was deported. After arriving in Montreal, he was again underestimated, only to shock people by emerging as a major player in one of the biggest mafia wars in North American history. There is reason to believe he served as the catalyst even if the war has been the result of several different factions.

Is there reason to think he could have ended up "Canada's boss"? I don't know. That question assumes that there is anything to be a "boss" of and kind of falls into the "Sixth Family" narrative which there is no proof of. I believe as the acting boss of the Bonannos up until that point, that Montagna felt he had authority over the Bonanno members in Montreal. Obviously things there are not that simple, but knowing how mafia politics work, it is probable that Montagna tried to use his position in the Bonanno family to take over or otherwise influence operations in Montreal. Whatever it was he did, Montagna managed to be a fast rising star on the scene who burned out quick.

[Lupara]

One important part of Montagna's story is that he was under George Sciascia, the captain and representative of the Montreal crew. This means that Montagna was technically a member/associate of the Montreal decina, even though he and Sciascia were NY-based. This combined with Montagna being born in Montreal and seeming to have family or social ties to the area makes it very possible that Montagna had visited Montreal previously on Sciascia's behalf given that Sciascia was barred from entering Canada. There may have been some existing relationships between Montagna and the Montreal crew.

Journalist Daniel Renaud has apparantly confirmed this in his recent book on Operation Colisee and the mob war that followed. A poster on the RD forum stated that Renaud writes in his book that Montagna regurlarly traveled to Montreal up until his deportation in 2009. This means that there was still contact between the Montreal crew and the Bonanno family long after Sciascia was killed, basically debunking the myth that the Rizzutos broke off from New York. It also means that Montagna was well-known within Montreal crime circles before he settled in the city.