Angelo Bruno's home to become city landmark?

[phatmatress777]

http://mobile.philly.com/news/?wss=/phi ... =368796351&


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[SonnyBlackstein]

Jeezus she's had the home on the market for 6 years??

Probably wanting celebrity dollar for it. Moron.

[Pete]

The daughter was on the crime inc series. Seemed like a nut job

[phatmatress777]

Jeezus she's had the home on the market for 6 years??

Probably wanting celebrity dollar for it. Moron.

i believe so the house that was used in try silence of the lambs was put on the market here in Pittsburgh. They wanted like 650,000 for a house that's worth a 100,000 just bc it was used in a movie. Like get real. The article says that Bruno's house is a fixer upper and I'm sure the neighborhood is nothing like it was when Bruno lived there.


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[rayray]

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/934-S ... 1089_zpid/

It was for sale, selling price 250k and taken off the market in 2011. I guess, according to this article it's back on the market. Who wants to live next door to a 7-11 in Philly? Nobody.

A home in QV can go for over 800k or a little over 3k per month. Gotta love the homo's for home valuations.

[B.]

Bruno's daughter has had a hell of a life. Married a former child TV star turned real estate broker / financial scammer, with his ultimate scam being the fact that he was a closet homosexual who contracted AIDS, which killed him. In the meantime, her father the local mob boss is killed in one of the most unflattering and iconic hits in history. The least they could do is show us what Caponigro's body looked like... I think that'd make us forget all about Bruno's gaping mouth.

I remember Bruno's daughter mentioning in an old interview that John Stanfa had laid the brick for that house. It's like something out of a movie that he would then be the driver that night. Still don't understand why people have readily accepted him as a conspirator in the murder.

[Ivan]

Still don't understand why people have readily accepted him as a conspirator in the murder.

I doubt he was involved. I think his little hospital visit by the actual conspirators was just an after-the-fact coaching attempt on their part.

[B.]

Still don't understand why people have readily accepted him as a conspirator in the murder.

I doubt he was involved. I think his little hospital visit by the actual conspirators was just an after-the-fact coaching attempt on their part.

I don't even know if it was coaching. Stanfa was a living witness and victim himself who got hit with buckshot and may have been killed for all we know if he hadn't been able to get out of the car (his own car, which he abandoned at the murder scene) and run home. As family leaders Sindone and Simone had to go through the motions to meet with him and at least pretend to care about Bruno's murder. Love it when books and articles talk about how they talked quietly in Italian as if it's a sign of guilt. That's what these guys do... they like to keep their secret society talk a secret, especially from cops. Doesn't mean they were telling him "Ayy, thanks for driving the boss to his death. We owe you one."

[OlBlueEyesClub]

There's also the couple of times Stanfa was seen in NY with Caponigro, Sindone & Salerno, at various clubs, and Salernos jewelry store or whatever it was. In Mafia Prince it also says he went to NY with Caponigro & Salerno for the final meeting with the Genovese, was told to wait in the bar, with Sindone (that may have been the name mentioned), was mistaken for Nicky Scarfo by a West side soldier, but high tailed it out of there after he was summoned by Bobby Manna, who knew it couldn't of been Scarfo. How he had intuition that he was mistaken for someone else and was to be summoned and leave, I don't know.


I used to believe Stanfa was involved, but changed my stance on it a while ago, after reading more than one source. Its all Anastasia books which state Stanfa was a co-conspirator.

[toto]

Still don't understand why people have readily accepted him as a conspirator in the murder.

I doubt he was involved. I think his little hospital visit by the actual conspirators was just an after-the-fact coaching attempt on their part.

I don't even know if it was coaching. Stanfa was a living witness and victim himself who got hit with buckshot and may have been killed for all we know if he hadn't been able to get out of the car (his own car, which he abandoned at the murder scene) and run home. As family leaders Sindone and Simone had to go through the motions to meet with him and at least pretend to care about Bruno's murder. Love it when books and articles talk about how they talked quietly in Italian as if it's a sign of guilt. That's what these guys do... they like to keep their secret society talk a secret, especially from cops. Doesn't mean they were telling him "Ayy, thanks for driving the boss to his death. We owe you one."

Also Stanfa was an outsider to the family. His own (only) support in that family came from Angelo Bruno. Both of them were very close to Gambino brothers. According to Philip Leonetti, Angelo Bruno introduced Rosario to Nicodemo Scarfo as "amico nostra" sometime in the 70s and thats why they got so surprised when John Gotti told them he's not a Gambino member. That's why there's no chance Stanfa was involved in that murder. His "protector" was Angelo Bruno.

[B.]

Still don't understand why people have readily accepted him as a conspirator in the murder.

I doubt he was involved. I think his little hospital visit by the actual conspirators was just an after-the-fact coaching attempt on their part.

I don't even know if it was coaching. Stanfa was a living witness and victim himself who got hit with buckshot and may have been killed for all we know if he hadn't been able to get out of the car (his own car, which he abandoned at the murder scene) and run home. As family leaders Sindone and Simone had to go through the motions to meet with him and at least pretend to care about Bruno's murder. Love it when books and articles talk about how they talked quietly in Italian as if it's a sign of guilt. That's what these guys do... they like to keep their secret society talk a secret, especially from cops. Doesn't mean they were telling him "Ayy, thanks for driving the boss to his death. We owe you one."

Also Stanfa was an outsider to the family. His own (only) support in that family came from Angelo Bruno. Both of them were very close to Gambino brothers. According to Philip Leonetti, Angelo Bruno introduced Rosario to Nicodemo Scarfo as "amico nostra" sometime in the 70s and thats why they got so surprised when John Gotti told them he's not a Gambino member. That's why there's no chance Stanfa was involved in that murder. His "protector" was Angelo Bruno.

Yeah, that's how I see it too. Bruno was the reason Stanfa was accepted into the family and they were close. Of course these guys have killed guys they're close to many times, I just don't see any evidence that backs it up. The only way I could see Stanfa being involved is if he had been asked by Gambino members, but as we know it was the Genovese who backed Caponigro.

I didn't know that about Bruno introducing Scarfo to Rosario Gambino as a member. We know from Bruno's tapes that he recognized Sicilian mafia members as the "same" and was introduced to many of them when he went to Sicily. Would be curious who introduced Rosario to Bruno... I'm thinking Stanfa, since his membership was recognized on both sides of the ocean.

[Angelo Santino]

Still don't understand why people have readily accepted him as a conspirator in the murder.

I doubt he was involved. I think his little hospital visit by the actual conspirators was just an after-the-fact coaching attempt on their part.

I don't even know if it was coaching. Stanfa was a living witness and victim himself who got hit with buckshot and may have been killed for all we know if he hadn't been able to get out of the car (his own car, which he abandoned at the murder scene) and run home. As family leaders Sindone and Simone had to go through the motions to meet with him and at least pretend to care about Bruno's murder. Love it when books and articles talk about how they talked quietly in Italian as if it's a sign of guilt. That's what these guys do... they like to keep their secret society talk a secret, especially from cops. Doesn't mean they were telling him "Ayy, thanks for driving the boss to his death. We owe you one."

Also Stanfa was an outsider to the family. His own (only) support in that family came from Angelo Bruno. Both of them were very close to Gambino brothers. According to Philip Leonetti, Angelo Bruno introduced Rosario to Nicodemo Scarfo as "amico nostra" sometime in the 70s and thats why they got so surprised when John Gotti told them he's not a Gambino member. That's why there's no chance Stanfa was involved in that murder. His "protector" was Angelo Bruno.

Yeah, that's how I see it too. Bruno was the reason Stanfa was accepted into the family and they were close. Of course these guys have killed guys they're close to many times, I just don't see any evidence that backs it up. The only way I could see Stanfa being involved is if he had been asked by Gambino members, but as we know it was the Genovese who backed Caponigro.

I didn't know that about Bruno introducing Scarfo to Rosario Gambino as a member. We know from Bruno's tapes that he recognized Sicilian mafia members as the "same" and was introduced to many of them when he went to Sicily. Would be curious who introduced Rosario to Bruno... I'm thinking Stanfa, since his membership was recognized on both sides of the ocean.

I've given this alot of thought and my I'm still evolving, most, if not all, of our American and Sicilian cross Mafia connections involve Sicilian-Americans. You do not see that same thing with non-Sicilian bosses (and by non-Sicilian I would include Sicilians without any long-historic blood connections -Luciano, Accardo, Ligambi- but just happens to have been born Sicilian). Historically connected Sicilian-Americans (Bruno, Gambino, Stanfa) recognized both Sicily and American non-Sicilian members like the Gen as the "same." Meanwhile the Gen, according to Cafaro, did not recognize Sicilians. I think it boils down to the personal relationship with members. Someone like a Frank Cali with many Sicilian connections would be in a better position to recognize Sicilians whereas a Barney with mostly Harlem/NYC connections may not be in a position to vouch for anyone due to a lack of connections. And since there aren't many national meetings for people to mingle, connections have dwindled down to mostly a local level with the exception of familial connections. Bellomo has Corleonese roots and his grandfather lived very close to Giuseppe Morello, but that doesn't prove anything. Whereas Frank Cali has been reported to be linked to Palermo. D'Aquila's mother was a Cali.

As this relates to Stanfa, in the country 30 years, how long must someone be a resident to not be considered a zip? I think Anastasia used that to contrast Merlino's style. The truth is Stanfa did not run Philadelpia in the traditional Sicilian fashion. His "zips" were actually Calabrian-American migrants from Cittanova who just happened to be criminals in Philadelphia with a Cittanovesi population since 1964. His other recruits were Veasey (non-Italian in his father's side) and Previte (a former cop). If he had brought over relatives from Caccamo I'd say Stanfa was trying to bring about a Sicilianismo renaissance but his administrative/membership choices paint a different story. Stanfa wasn't Furio Giunta or Sal Catalano. By 1990 he was as American as Luciano or Cali.

Also, I *heard (we'll file this under internet allegation) that Massimino has blood-relations to the Sicilian Mafia. I can't confirm or deny.

[toto]

The person who introduced Rosario to Angelo Bruno most likely is John Gambino. He also was introduced to Scarfo.

The rule is clear since the 1950s. According to Buscetta they stopped recognizing sicilian members because these guys had suffered many difficulties and hardships in America and they felt that it was not right that guys from Sicily just make a shortcut so-to-speak. The Americans were not recognized in Sicily and this was the case with Lucky Luciano. But he was respected and his opinion valued.

But the rule is also a bit liquid. No doubt in between themselves these guys recognize each other. So Rosario and his brothers recognize each other. And also the same for Salvatore Catalano and Onofrio and the cousin Salvatore. On the official level they cannot be recognized. The sicilians always must be "with" someone. Rosario Naimo was Lucchese family associate and the case of Roberto Settineri and he was represented by Gaetano Napoli. Even the recent case of the Gigliotti drug traffickers and they were close to Genovese guys indicates the rule still stands.

Leonetti commented the closeness of Bruno the Gambino brothers was not liked by Philly family guys and it was one of the things which got Bruno killed.

About Stanfa, he was the padrino of Nino Giuffrè and Nino commented Stanfa was requesting guys repeatedly but they couldn't do anything for him because of the aftermath of the murder of Judge Falcone and Borsellino. That's why Stanfa ran in to so many problems in addition to which his other source of support the group of John Gambino were dealing with the Iron Tower investigation. Luckily for them Buscetta helped them out by contradicting the testimony of Francesco Marino Mannoia.

[joeycigars]

Still don't understand why people have readily accepted him as a conspirator in the murder.

I doubt he was involved. I think his little hospital visit by the actual conspirators was just an after-the-fact coaching attempt on their part.

When Martorano the often called body guard and driver of Burno fell back at Cous' Little Italy and that put Stanfa in the drivers seat a classic move that is highly suspicious , I dont believe in coincidences when it comes to big hits like Burnos , this was a plan Martorano and Stanfa I would bet anything where on the inside track they both were very close to Burno why not use them ?, And they both are proven killers and LCN loyalists did there time .The killers had to track Burno from Cous and the very ambitious not yet made Martorrano the owner of Cous' at one time could have been the phone call that did it and Stanfa took the right parking spot at the right time to get him killed...why to much of a coincidence for a Bosses hit ,

[toto]

Some problems with your theory. Martorano an associate tells Stanfa a soldier what to do. Will never happen. Stanfa a soldier puts himself in the frame for the murder of a boss in place of an associate. Will never happen.

Martorano will have to drive the boss himself. At most Martorano was part of it and pretended a way out of it and so Stanfa had to drive the boss. There was no "right" parking spot. He was shot in front of his home.