Bronx zones with the most present day activity

[Aunt+Baby]

I just returned back home to France from a trip to NYC & we hit up the Bronx

I know Cicale is from Pelham Bay, but there didn’t seem to be an Italian presence there. Was this historically known as a heavy Italian enclave? Arthur Ave, aside from the obvious, seemed pretty Hispanic

Throggs Neck was where I saw the most Italian flags waving. So which Bronx area historically & presently has had the most LCN activity & the largest Italian presence? I’m aware that it’s always paled in comparison to Brooklyn/manhattan/queens, but would throggs neck be considered their Bensonhurst, so to speak?

[Cheech]

morris park...

[Ovation32]

Country Club is currently an extremely insular Italian neighborhood (for example, homes are rarely listed by brokers but are sold to friends, family, connections, etc.). Malba is also extremely Italian. Historically, Bronx neighborhoods were very different demographically. For example, Pelham, Morris Park, City Island and Belmont were Italian enclaves.

[Aunt+Baby]

Country Club is currently an extremely insular Italian neighborhood (for example, homes are rarely listed by brokers but are sold to friends, family, connections, etc.). Malba is also extremely Italian. Historically, Bronx neighborhoods were very different demographically. For example, Pelham, Morris Park, City Island and Belmont were Italian enclaves.

Could Country Club perhaps be considered the Howard Beach or Dyker Heights/Bay Ridge of Bronx?

[Brovelli]

Yonkers Scarsdale tuckahoe new Rochelle etc all also got probably far more Italians than there are in the Bronx. Probably goes unsaid but that’s where most are these days and moving further north.

[johnny_scootch]

Malba is also extremely Italian.

Malba is Queens.

[PolackTony]

Country Club is currently an extremely insular Italian neighborhood (for example, homes are rarely listed by brokers but are sold to friends, family, connections, etc.).

This was the case historically, but *much less* so today. *Lots* of new people moving into the area, far less insular than it used to be. Some blocks are already 50%+ Hispanic and recently a lot of South Asians are moving in. Historically, it was majority Italian (mainly people who fled the decline of East Harlem, of course), but with a significant minority of Irish and Germans also, as with neighboring Throggs Neck. Few younger people with families are choosing to stay here (if you don’t put your kids in a dwindling number of Catholic schools, the public schools are… suboptimal). As the old people die off, the younger gen is either selling the houses on the market, or in the worst cases, chopping them into apartments. It’s first a trickle, and then a flood, and the trickle started a while back.

Country Club and (sections of) Throggs Neck have guys in that life still living here. You see guys around, but CC is an almost totally residential community, so you might see a guy washing his car in his driveway etc. Morris Park — though far less of an Italian community than it used to be, outside of the “Indian Village” subsection behind Jacobi — is one of the last places in the Bx apart from Arthur Ave that has businesses where guys will be hanging out and such.

Pelham Bay/Middletown and much of Throggs Neck are now majority Hispanic, though the former also has a significant Albanian community (though not at big as Pelham Parkway/Morris Park).

[PolackTony]

Yonkers Scarsdale tuckahoe new Rochelle etc all also got probably far more Italians than there are in the Bronx. Probably goes unsaid but that’s where most are these days and moving further north.

Yup. Don’t forget towns like Pelham/Manor, Eastchester, Thornwood, and Valhalla, which have a ton of Italians too.

Today, you see a lot of people moving up to Putnam/Dutchess County, or over the river to Orange County. If not that, then out of the NYC Tristate altogether and moving out to PA or down to Fl, VA, etc.

[Aunt+Baby]

Country Club is currently an extremely insular Italian neighborhood (for example, homes are rarely listed by brokers but are sold to friends, family, connections, etc.).

This was the case historically, but *much less* so today. *Lots* of new people moving into the area, far less insular than it used to be. Some blocks are already 50%+ Hispanic and recently a lot of South Asians are moving in. Historically, it was majority Italian (mainly people who fled the decline of East Harlem, of course), but with a significant minority of Irish and Germans also, as with neighboring Throggs Neck. Few younger people with families are choosing to stay here (if you don’t put your kids in a dwindling number of Catholic schools, the public schools are… suboptimal). As the old people die off, the younger gen is either selling the houses on the market, or in the worst cases, chopping them into apartments. It’s first a trickle, and then a flood, and the trickle started a while back.

Country Club and (sections of) Throggs Neck have guys in that life still living here. You see guys around, but CC is an almost totally residential community, so you might see a guy washing his car in his driveway etc. Morris Park — though far less of an Italian community than it used to be, outside of the “Indian Village” subsection behind Jacobi — is one of the last places in the Bx apart from Arthur Ave that has businesses where guys will be hanging out and such.

Pelham Bay/Middletown and much of Throggs Neck are now majority Hispanic, though the former also has a significant Albanian community (though not at big as Pelham Parkway/Morris Park).

Muscarella resides in country club I believe. Are there any other Genovese or Lucchese heavyweights who live there?

[PolackTony]

Muscarella I’m pretty sure lives in Larchmont (this is in Westchester County, north of New Rochelle). At different points in the past, he had houses in Country Club and down in Locust Point (a nicer subsection of Throggs Neck; this was where Danny Leo once lived also).

Dom Cirillo was still living here when he died. There are a number of guys with the Westside, Luccheses, and Bonannos in the area. But fewer than there had used to be. Some guys — including some big names — still own property in this area but no longer actually live here themselves.

[Aunt+Baby]

Muscarella I’m pretty sure lives in Larchmont (this is in Westchester County, north of New Rochelle). At different points in the past, he had houses in Country Club and down in Locust Point (a nicer subsection of Throggs Neck; this was where Danny Leo once lived also).

Dom Cirillo was still living here when he died. There are a number of guys with the Westside, Luccheses, and Bonannos in the area. But fewer than there had used to be. Some guys — including some big names — still own property in this area but no longer actually live here themselves.

I see. so morris park the only area where young active guys will still be seen bouncing around and doing business or socializing with one another? and Arthur Avenue is mainly for the kitsch factor and tourism? Or is Arthur ave still a place where lcn business is conducted?

[Aunt+Baby]

Also do the basciano family still reside in throggs neck? Wasn’t that where he lived?

[Aunt+Baby]

Muscarella I’m pretty sure lives in Larchmont (this is in Westchester County, north of New Rochelle). At different points in the past, he had houses in Country Club and down in Locust Point (a nicer subsection of Throggs Neck; this was where Danny Leo once lived also).

Dom Cirillo was still living here when he died. There are a number of guys with the Westside, Luccheses, and Bonannos in the area. But fewer than there had used to be. Some guys — including some big names — still own property in this area but no longer actually live here themselves.

I see. so morris park the only area where young active guys will still be seen bouncing around and doing business or socializing with one another? and Arthur Avenue is mainly for the kitsch factor and tourism? Or is Arthur ave still a place where lcn business is conducted?

Wish we would have gone to morris park

[Cheech]

@polacktony
What do you know about the shark from morris park?

[johnny_scootch]

What do you know about the shark from morris park?

He’s no Jojo Pellegrino