When did Sammy Gravano take over as Capo from Toddo?

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When did Sammy Gravano take over as Capo from Toddo?

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Same question as OP.

Also, when did Gotti take over Charlie Wagons’ crew fully?
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Re: When did Sammy Gravano take over as Capo from Toddo?

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According to Sammy it was not long after they killed Paul and toddo requested to John that he be taken down and Sammy be made captain of the crew. All from Sammy so no idea on the accuracy of this.
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Re: When did Sammy Gravano take over as Capo from Toddo?

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Brovelli wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 4:20 pm According to Sammy it was not long after they killed Paul and toddo requested to John that he be taken down and Sammy be made captain of the crew. All from Sammy so no idea on the accuracy of this.
Wow so when they made there pre plans he was just a soldier ??
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Re: When did Sammy Gravano take over as Capo from Toddo?

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Yes I think he may have been acting captain but if not he was a soldier yea. He was acting at some point but not sure exactly when and for how long.
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Re: When did Sammy Gravano take over as Capo from Toddo?

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I thought Gravano was pretty clear that after Castellano was killed, at the meeting where they made Gotti boss that Gravano and Angelo Ruggiero were the only soldiers there.
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Re: When did Sammy Gravano take over as Capo from Toddo?

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Brovelli wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 4:20 pm According to Sammy it was not long after they killed Paul and toddo requested to John that he be taken down and Sammy be made captain of the crew. All from Sammy so no idea on the accuracy of this.
What I read that as is, Toddo didn’t know Sammy plotted to kill the Boss and wanted no direct part of the new regime;

Or Sammy used his newfound clout with a new regime to step over Toddo.
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Re: When did Sammy Gravano take over as Capo from Toddo?

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I actually can’t wait till Sammy dies, so we can get his file and see how much of his tales are bullshit.

Like in a taped convo with Gotti, he claims he was only at Paul’s house 4 times. Nowadays he makes it seem like he was Paul’s ace goombah
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Re: When did Sammy Gravano take over as Capo from Toddo?

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Nasabeak wrote: Thu Nov 07, 2024 5:06 pm
Brovelli wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 4:20 pm According to Sammy it was not long after they killed Paul and toddo requested to John that he be taken down and Sammy be made captain of the crew. All from Sammy so no idea on the accuracy of this.
What I read that as is, Toddo didn’t know Sammy plotted to kill the Boss and wanted no direct part of the new regime;

Or Sammy used his newfound clout with a new regime to step over Toddo.
I think you got it with your first point. Sammy spoke about a moment when he saw toddo realize he had been in on it. Sammy reassured him he was in no danger so toddo got the message.
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