Persico was a rat?

[bronx]

maybe persico gave info early on ,then stopped .G can get vindictive if you screw them..sparaco was c.i. that got big time..watts may have been the same got hit with decades case after case, many guys go to prison that are c.i. i believe..some guys out there you wonder how they skated getting big time or not pinched at all.. i could name a dozen that fit that, but won't. unless you can prove 100 percent never brand a guy a rat..

[bronx]

when sammy flipped, how come the shooters and back up guys never got pinched for it? maybe one of the group was a c.i. ? or two?

[joeycigars]

maybe persico gave info early on ,then stopped .G can get vindictive if you screw them..sparaco was c.i. that got big time..watts may have been the same got hit with decades case after case, many guys go to prison that are c.i. i believe..some guys out there you wonder how they skated getting big time or not pinched at all.. i could name a dozen that fit that, but won't. unless you can prove 100 percent never brand a guy a rat..

Michael Lancellotti

[Tonyd621]

Who's going to recant first? MBA? Burnstein? Nydailynews? And anyone else?

[Snakes]

Who's going to recant first? MBA? Burnstein? Nydailynews? And anyone else?

I bet they just drop it. If it was a normal citizen they might recant but not for a convicted mob boss like Persico.

[Hired_Goonz]

So were Pennisi and Tom running with this as if it were true? If so, Capeci is gonna be merciless on them in next week's column.

[Tonyd621]

Who's going to recant first? MBA? Burnstein? Nydailynews? And anyone else?

I bet they just drop it. If it was a normal citizen they might recant but not for a convicted mob boss like Persico.

Idc, you can't make up lies about ppl and then forget about it because of who he is. Pennisi is big proponent of two things; journalistic integrity and putting a false wire on someone. If anyone spent any amount of time reading his blog or listening to him you know this. He should be the first to set it straight imo. It distorts history, screws up research etc. This lawyer should say he did it unpurpose or didn't understand how to interpret what he seen otherwise he's the biggest dumb f*ck with a law degree and I feel bad for Orena.
And also what else have they reported and find out later it wasn't what it was and didn't mention it?

[Tonyd621]

If nobody recants this forum is the last place left imo.

[mafiastudent]

If nobody recants this forum is the last place left imo.

Well, you'd hope they'd "man-up," right?

[Tonyd621]

If nobody recants this forum is the last place left imo.

Well, you'd hope they'd "man-up," right?

I get it. Deciphering all the govt coding and data, understanding the terminology who's what who said what when who's under development who said something one time etc etc. Half that sh*t I didn't know until I became a member on here, but if you do not fess up to this mistake then what else did you get wrong that you don't tell us?

[aray22]

Interesting Pennisi said he had heard once in the past, and just recently, that a boss of another family was an informant, and is currently sitting as boss now.

Sicilians in Gambino? Seems unlikely.

New members of administration for Luchese? That would seem to be what Pennisi might have an ear to, but who the hell knows. Didn't most of those guys do long bids?

Nose? He's done time, but considering his crimes, he should still be there today.

Andy Russo?

Barney? He's gone to war with the feds over and over. Doubt they would have been a stick in his ass and kept him in county or state or whatever when he was doing federal time in Atlanta. Doesn't add up.

(apologies if other people are at the heads of the families currently; I don't keep up on every turn)

Edited to add that he didnt necessarily say one of the five families. So could be Philly or NE, too.

I think he was talking about the Mancuso rumor but I doubt its true

Oh, I hadn’t heard that one before.

Peter Lovaglio said in his testimony that a Lucchese member told Johnny Joe jr at a wake that they refuse to recognize Mancuso as the boss because there's a rumor going around that he's a rat.

Not just a Luchese soldier....Matty Madonna.

[OlBlueEyesClub]

Who's going to recant first? MBA? Burnstein? Nydailynews? And anyone else?

I bet they just drop it. If it was a normal citizen they might recant but not for a convicted mob boss like Persico.

Idc, you can't make up lies about ppl and then forget about it because of who he is. Pennisi is big proponent of two things; journalistic integrity and putting a false wire on someone. If anyone spent any amount of time reading his blog or listening to him you know this. He should be the first to set it straight imo. It distorts history, screws up research etc. This lawyer should say he did it unpurpose or didn't understand how to interpret what he seen otherwise he's the biggest dumb f*ck with a law degree and I feel bad for Orena.
And also what else have they reported and find out later it wasn't what it was and didn't mention it?

How you figure they made it up though? People are trying to counter this report with the fact that he continued to serve out his sentence. Yet Scarpa Jr was never released and served out his sentence after informing on a terrorist plot, and I think Scarpa Jr did the better service for the G.

And if everyone on the list on the actual document or copy, is an informant, and he’s among the list, why would he be the only one who didn’t cooperate, when those other names all did. I just want to see the document itself, but I don’t think it can just be written off like that. Like, what would be the reason for federal authorities adding his name to a document along with other informants? For shits and giggles? No. They obviously knew something different, that was never shared to the public. They say “where there’s smoke, there’s fire”.

[Snakes]

Who's going to recant first? MBA? Burnstein? Nydailynews? And anyone else?

I bet they just drop it. If it was a normal citizen they might recant but not for a convicted mob boss like Persico.

Idc, you can't make up lies about ppl and then forget about it because of who he is. Pennisi is big proponent of two things; journalistic integrity and putting a false wire on someone. If anyone spent any amount of time reading his blog or listening to him you know this. He should be the first to set it straight imo. It distorts history, screws up research etc. This lawyer should say he did it unpurpose or didn't understand how to interpret what he seen otherwise he's the biggest dumb f*ck with a law degree and I feel bad for Orena.
And also what else have they reported and find out later it wasn't what it was and didn't mention it?

How you figure they made it up though? People are trying to counter this report with the fact that he continued to serve out his sentence. Yet Scarpa Jr was never released and served out his sentence after informing on a terrorist plot, and I think Scarpa Jr did the better service for the G.

And if everyone on the list on the actual document or copy, is an informant, and he’s among the list, why would he be the only one who didn’t cooperate, when those other names all did. I just want to see the document itself, but I don’t think it can just be written off like that. Like, what would be the reason for federal authorities adding his name to a document along with other informants? For shits and giggles? No. They obviously knew something different, that was never shared to the public. They say “where there’s smoke, there’s fire”.

The documents were posted earlier in the thread. His presence on the list, as well as the others, has been explained. If those documents are all they have, there is no proof.

[Raven]

Who's going to recant first? MBA? Burnstein? Nydailynews? And anyone else?

I bet they just drop it. If it was a normal citizen they might recant but not for a convicted mob boss like Persico.

Idc, you can't make up lies about ppl and then forget about it because of who he is. Pennisi is big proponent of two things; journalistic integrity and putting a false wire on someone. If anyone spent any amount of time reading his blog or listening to him you know this. He should be the first to set it straight imo. It distorts history, screws up research etc. This lawyer should say he did it unpurpose or didn't understand how to interpret what he seen otherwise he's the biggest dumb f*ck with a law degree and I feel bad for Orena.
And also what else have they reported and find out later it wasn't what it was and didn't mention it?

I don’t think he sees it as making up lies. He believes it’s true. McShane didn’t even know what top etchelon informant means in his podcast about it. He got it wrong. I’m curious if Capeci will even mention it. As a writer he might not want to slam a fellow writer, or he could write about but not mention McShane or Penisi at all.

[Ivan]

I’m curious if Capeci will even mention it. As a writer he might not want to slam a fellow writer

He did dedicate several columns to trashing Ernest Volkman and created a "Volkie" award he would give out for shitty mob journalism.