Cleveland circa '65

[Angelo Santino]

I sure hope Pittsburgh ain't this much of a mfkr. I was considering making a chart for Cleveland's final years but would it be as difficult getting the info as it is in 1965?

Let me ask, is there any credible source citing Delsanter as a "capo" or on the same level as Brancato and Licavoli? Underneath the top three guys (Scalish-Milano-DeMarco), it seems "the streets" were ran by Brancato and Licavoli- and maybe Moceri- with everyone else being subordinates. In the 1920's there were at least two crews in Cleveland, it would make sense that the same arrangement- two crews- or more existed in Cleveland proper during the 1960's. We have Angelo Lonardo as a contender for the 60's. Which going by Mafia protocol would put him on the same level as Brancato which wasn't the case. So perhaps Brancato was a street boss earlier.

Back to the social aspect, part of me wonders if we spend more time thinking about it than they did. What he have is a select core of leaders, some identified captains but seemingly anemic crews with soldiers being more or less independants rather than your NY style button-men. It goes back to it being more of a network than Ceasars' legions. With no competitive families around, I wonder if Scalish's apprehension to make as new members had just as much to do with "less people bigger slices of the pie" as it did his fear of informants.

*I see Frank De Augustino (D'Agostino) odten cited as Milano's number 2. I seen that in an FBI file (provided by the illustrious JCB) from a Youngstown source who was somewhat unreliable when it came to identifying who was who with a certain specific bias. If there's more than one source for that it could be something, but I- as a respectful outsider- urge you to reconsider that one.

Now, with Mallamo and Tripodi's alleged membership being allegedly with Cleveland and not Pittsburgh due to their close relationship with Milano. I'm new to "all things Cleveland" but I am certain - willing to stake my lifesavings on it if we could find a golden document giving the accurate answer - that the Youngstown Crew and the Steubenville crew were 100%, unequivocally, unquestionably with Pittsburgh, it's what brought me to this point in my research, why I even give a fuck about Cleveland. Be that as it may, there's always more to be learned and since past and present correlate. I find this entire thread interesting and enlightening.

[Stroccos]

pictures i dont have
Mike Minnaden
Anthony bonadonna
THomas sanflippo
Joesph bertolino
Thomas argento
angelo perna
Gus dema
paul demaio
nunzio destro
dominik papa
santos pizzuto
anthony dejanero
james dejanero
william lantini
james lupo
carmen basile
James tropodi
cosmo Q

[Angelo Santino]

pictures i dont have
Mike Minnaden
Anthony bonadonna
THomas sanflippo
Joesph bertolino
Thomas argento
angelo perna
Gus dema
paul demaio
nunzio destro
dominik papa
santos pizzuto
anthony dejanero
james dejanero
william lantini
james lupo
carmen basile
James tropodi
cosmo Q

So you have photos of everyone else?... I updated Youngstown, Licavoli, Delsanter and Brancato on page 1. Let me know if that's more of an accurate take.

[Stroccos]

pictures i dont have
Mike Minnaden
Anthony bonadonna
THomas sanflippo
Joesph bertolino
Thomas argento
angelo perna
Gus dema
paul demaio
nunzio destro
dominik papa
santos pizzuto
anthony dejanero
james dejanero
william lantini
james lupo
carmen basile
James tropodi
cosmo Q

So you have photos of everyone else?... I updated Youngstown,
, Delsanter and Brancato on page 1. Let me know if that's more of an accurate take.

Yeah looks good, do you want me to add more assocites ? I know how tetious it is to change it . We have quite a few associates we can add . I leave that up to you guys

[Angelo Santino]

That's cool, how many more you want to add and for what city? Once I have a number I can see how I can make it fit.

You know, if we have surveillance photos or photos of hangouts like Tony Milano's Club we could incorporate that also in some way.

[Stroccos]

That's cool, how many more you want to add and for what city? Once I have a number I can see how I can make it fit.

You know, if we have surveillance photos or photos of hangouts like Tony Milano's Club we could incorporate that also in some way.

I think I do have some of milanos place , Well it be quite a big list of people associated with the Cleveland lcn . i will take a look at it and trim it down to "hoods"

[Angelo Santino]

Good idea. Also might be a good way to avoid a lawsuit if they have no criminal record. Ohio and Pennsylvania Eye-tals are don't take too kindly to their ancestors' bones being dug up. And since some of them have been success in legitimate careers and/or entered politics they can afford to sue.

In 2001-2002 there was a site called "That Life" that listed Joe Iaccoaci as boss before it officially came out his lawyer filed a complaint and they had to remove the info. That along with illegal use of the Hells Angels logo and the wrongful citing of a dead Haitian dancer as a dealer rather than in innocent victim lead to the site's removal.

[Stroccos]

Good idea. Also might be a good way to avoid a lawsuit if they have no criminal record. Ohio and Pennsylvania Eye-tals are don't take too kindly to their ancestors' bones being dug up. And since some of them have been success in legitimate careers and/or entered politics they can afford to sue.

In 2001-2002 there was a site called "That Life" that listed Joe Iaccoaci as boss before it officially came out his lawyer filed a complaint and they had to remove the info. That along with illegal use of the Hells Angels logo and the wrongful citing of a dead Haitian dancer as a dealer rather than in innocent victim lead to the site's removal.

Some people care , some don't , most relatives don't know anything anyway . I believe he went after another site as well . But that was in the early stages of the World Wide Web. The World Wide Web has iacobacci all over it now be a waste of his time . 2nd loose admitted to being a made in open court . So he has no leg to stand on .

[Angelo Santino]

Good idea. Also might be a good way to avoid a lawsuit if they have no criminal record. Ohio and Pennsylvania Eye-tals are don't take too kindly to their ancestors' bones being dug up. And since some of them have been success in legitimate careers and/or entered politics they can afford to sue.

In 2001-2002 there was a site called "That Life" that listed Joe Iaccoaci as boss before it officially came out his lawyer filed a complaint and they had to remove the info. That along with illegal use of the Hells Angels logo and the wrongful citing of a dead Haitian dancer as a dealer rather than in innocent victim lead to the site's removal.

Some people care , some don't , most relatives don't know anything anyway . I believe he went after another site as well . But that was in the early stages of the World Wide Web. The World Wide Web has iacobacci all over it now be a waste of his time . 2nd loose admitted to being a made in open court . So he has no leg to stand on .

He did at the time when some anxious online mob enthusiasts identified him without any information to back it up. There are some guys in those 1960's MF files that are still alive (I think John De Saro is). But it doesn't even need to be the individual in question. I had an issue with St Louis, former mob boss from the 30's and 40's whose descendants threatened legal action. Now I got an FBI document listing him as such but don't relish a legal battle if they were so inclined. The Mob might be gone/going away in St Louis, Kansas City, Cleveland, Pittsburgh but their relatives and descendants have done well financially and seem to have some pull locally. It's actually quite amazing to me how many have done well in law, medicine, politics and law enforcement.

I tried digging up info on Pueblo and that was some strange shit. Inquiring about some relatives even without using the "m" word, some of those ancestors in Pueblo behave like the Transylvania citizens in the tavern handing out crosses and afraid to speak the name Dracula. There was a relative from CA trying to find out about his Pueblo roots and didn't get much farther.

[Pogo The Clown]

Was that Iacobacci? I thought it was another Cleveland guy that threatened legal action. Even earlier than That Life Porello's books and site listed Iacobacci as the Boss and nothing happened to him,


Pogo

[Angelo Santino]

Joe Loose I believe.

[Stroccos]

def not complete list but a good start here ,cleveland assocites we have a photo unless noted
Sam Scalish no photo ( have one but cant find it)
George Argie
angelo amato jr
caesar bertei
eugene ciasullo
butchie cisternino
carl cocco
john conte
martin defabio
william denova
Joey c gallo
Joseph P Gallo
Joseph Ilaqua
zoltan kalman
John montana
carmen marconi
Sam poliefico
Joseph Sanzo
Peter Sanzo
Thomas Sinito
sam Sirna
tony libertore
tony delguyd
william dileno
shonder birns
danny greene
fiore bucci
Gus palladino
sam Bussaca no photo
john Calandra
paul Cirricullo
nick nardi
john nardi
Carl Lafatch Akron no photo
Joe pereffete warren No phto
michael Rini no photo

[Angelo Santino]

Are these the proper spellings?
tony delguyd
Joe pereffete

[Stroccos]

Are these the proper spellings?
tony delguyd
Joe pereffete

Delguyd is correct

Joseph Perfette

[Angelo Santino]

Awesome. Ok, well look over both charts in page 1. It'll be a pain in the ass to add names later.