General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

[PolackTony]

As we've discussed before, the Stramaglios own a ton of property over here.

Yup, Rich and Vic Stramaglio were pretty successful guys in construction and real estate, so their family retains a lot of properties in what is now a hot market. I’m sure even back in the 80s, these people already knew where the wind was blowing and made sure to build up their portfolios over th years to leave a real inheritance.

[funkster]

As we've discussed before, the Stramaglios own a ton of property over here.

Yup, Rich and Vic Stramaglio were pretty successful guys in construction and real estate, so their family retains a lot of properties in what is now a hot market. I’m sure even back in the 80s, these people already knew where the wind was blowing and made sure to build up their portfolios over th years to leave a real inheritance.

That stretch of grand west of Ashland that they own half of is getting tons of new condo developments. They won’t be cheap.

[NorthBuffalo]

I agree with you to a certain extent. I talk to a guy who did time in Illinois and he said the issue is that prisons changed as the streets did - there are so few actual gangs and so many 'cliques' that a lot of the 'folk vs. people' stuff fell apart. He also said these young kids coming into prisons are savage and kind of the 'anti hierarchy' types - made me think it was more of a 'dog eat dog' environment with so many young violent offenders in that city.

Things change of course and the younger guys are always going to be difficult to control, so there’s some truth in that. But I wouldn’t overstate it, as prisons have a certain logic that trends towards more organization than the streets. From what I know, the whole People and Folks thing really only matters today inside the IL system, as it’s basically been a dead letter on the streets for years at this point.

As Patrick said already, Panozzo is out of the IL system now anyway and in a minimum security Federal facility, which I imagine is pretty easy time for a guy like him. I’d really be interested to know who he associates with in there. Who knows, nowadays some excon might well wind up talking about him on a YT podcast lol.

I think Panozzo is one of the most interesting current LCN figures there are - out of any family. Leading a violent crew in his 50s ripping off drug cartels and working with hispanic gangsters - with the crew cut nonchalant look of his. I've read he's fluent in Polish, Spanish and several other languages. Juice money and businesses all over Chicago and Rockford.

I honestly think he's a very smart individual - then again, I read how he gets busted talking in code on a prison phone so its hard to tell.

Regardless, I think he's one of the few real gangsters left in Chicago.

[Patrickgold]

I agree with you to a certain extent. I talk to a guy who did time in Illinois and he said the issue is that prisons changed as the streets did - there are so few actual gangs and so many 'cliques' that a lot of the 'folk vs. people' stuff fell apart. He also said these young kids coming into prisons are savage and kind of the 'anti hierarchy' types - made me think it was more of a 'dog eat dog' environment with so many young violent offenders in that city.

Things change of course and the younger guys are always going to be difficult to control, so there’s some truth in that. But I wouldn’t overstate it, as prisons have a certain logic that trends towards more organization than the streets. From what I know, the whole People and Folks thing really only matters today inside the IL system, as it’s basically been a dead letter on the streets for years at this point.

As Patrick said already, Panozzo is out of the IL system now anyway and in a minimum security Federal facility, which I imagine is pretty easy time for a guy like him. I’d really be interested to know who he associates with in there. Who knows, nowadays some excon might well wind up talking about him on a YT podcast lol.

I think Panozzo is one of the most interesting current LCN figures there are - out of any family. Leading a violent crew in his 50s ripping off drug cartels and working with hispanic gangsters - with the crew cut nonchalant look of his. I've read he's fluent in Polish, Spanish and several other languages. Juice money and businesses all over Chicago and Rockford.

I honestly think he's a very smart individual - then again, I read how he gets busted talking in code on a prison phone so its hard to tell.

Regardless, I think he's one of the few real gangsters left in Chicago.

He’s definitely a throw back from another era. I agree, not many are as ballsy as him. He was also running a massage place too so he had his hands in a lot of different things. What exactly did he have in Rockford? First I’m hearing this.

[Coloboy]

I agree with you to a certain extent. I talk to a guy who did time in Illinois and he said the issue is that prisons changed as the streets did - there are so few actual gangs and so many 'cliques' that a lot of the 'folk vs. people' stuff fell apart. He also said these young kids coming into prisons are savage and kind of the 'anti hierarchy' types - made me think it was more of a 'dog eat dog' environment with so many young violent offenders in that city.

Things change of course and the younger guys are always going to be difficult to control, so there’s some truth in that. But I wouldn’t overstate it, as prisons have a certain logic that trends towards more organization than the streets. From what I know, the whole People and Folks thing really only matters today inside the IL system, as it’s basically been a dead letter on the streets for years at this point.

As Patrick said already, Panozzo is out of the IL system now anyway and in a minimum security Federal facility, which I imagine is pretty easy time for a guy like him. I’d really be interested to know who he associates with in there. Who knows, nowadays some excon might well wind up talking about him on a YT podcast lol.

I think Panozzo is one of the most interesting current LCN figures there are - out of any family. Leading a violent crew in his 50s ripping off drug cartels and working with hispanic gangsters - with the crew cut nonchalant look of his. I've read he's fluent in Polish, Spanish and several other languages. Juice money and businesses all over Chicago and Rockford.

I honestly think he's a very smart individual - then again, I read how he gets busted talking in code on a prison phone so its hard to tell.

Regardless, I think he's one of the few real gangsters left in Chicago.

He’s definitely a throw back from another era. I agree, not many are as ballsy as him. He was also running a massage place too so he had his hands in a lot of different things. What exactly did he have in Rockford? First I’m hearing this.

Reading through his indictments and other press, I get the sense he was a major earner. Clearly they were proficient at robberies and heists, but he also was a seemingly large loan shark (supposedly was seeking repayment of a 200K loan at one point), and had various businesses going (prostitution). One has to wonder how much of that income the outfit or grand ave crew was able to recapture in his absence.

[NorthBuffalo]

Panozzo was indicted in Federal Court in Rockford as there was a juice victim living there that he was terrorizing. I believe that was an entirely separate indictment from the broader PK Crew indictment involving Joseph D. Abbott.

https://www.pressreader.com/usa/chicago ... B-WVBKW9-Q

[Aunt+Baby]

Any idea on which NJ fam Rocky Infelice was working with during his “exile” in the 60s, after his H pinch?

[NorthBuffalo]

Any idea on which NJ fam Rocky Infelice was working with during his “exile” in the 60s, after his H pinch?

There is an FBI wire of Infelise and Cowboy Mirro working on a score with Corky Vastola of DeCavs.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... arch=Mirro

[NorthBuffalo]

great old photo making the rounds - Giancana in the basement:

[RushStreet]

Panozzo is definitely a throw back. Crazy is an understatement.

I wonder how many people he has killed over the years that the feds can't indict him on.

[Aunt+Baby]

Panozzo is definitely a throw back. Crazy is an understatement.

I wonder how many people he has killed over the years that the feds can't indict him on.

Guy is a nut

And his brother Louie was a trashy dirt bag, from what I’ve heard. Anyone have any info on him? Seemed like a gopher

Bobby was/is a real player.

I’ve heard Outfit guys stick to themselves in jail & try not to socialize too much with east coast cats

Of course, there are exceptions, such as Joe Lombardo bunking with Merlino, Chickie Chang, and others, and Marco DAmico & Tony Dote as well

[Camo]

How accurate is Nicholas Pillegi's Casino? I'm aware it's not regarding Spilotro's murder but is his time in Vegas generally accurate or what? I've seen the movie obviously but i've never read the book and i'm considering doing so if it's at least somewhat accurate. Is Frank Cullota his source or is it purely newspaper articles or what?

[Aunt+Baby]

How accurate is Nicholas Pillegi's Casino? I'm aware it's not regarding Spilotro's murder but is his time in Vegas generally accurate or what? I've seen the movie obviously but i've never read the book and i'm considering doing so if it's at least somewhat accurate. Is Frank Cullota his source or is it purely newspaper articles or what?

That movie sucked. It featured all east coast actors and not one Chicagoan such as Farina, Madsen, Montagna etc. the only one who even attempted a Chicago accent was pesci, and even that was half assed

As far as accuracy goes,no it wasn’t accurate. They couldn’t even mention Chicago outright, and that LV story in general isn’t all that interesting. The real meat on the bone & intrigue was occurring in Chicago obviously.

Also we know now that Phil Ponto was perhaps the most important straightened out guy in LV for the outfit

[Camo]

How accurate is Nicholas Pillegi's Casino? I'm aware it's not regarding Spilotro's murder but is his time in Vegas generally accurate or what? I've seen the movie obviously but i've never read the book and i'm considering doing so if it's at least somewhat accurate. Is Frank Cullota his source or is it purely newspaper articles or what?

That movie sucked. It featured all east coast actors and not one Chicagoan such as Farina, Madsen, Montagna etc. the only one who even attempted a Chicago accent was pesci, and even that was half assed

As far as accuracy goes,no it wasn’t accurate. They couldn’t even mention Chicago outright, and that LV story in general isn’t all that interesting. The real meat on the bone & intrigue was occurring in Chicago obviously.

Also we know now that Phil Ponto was perhaps the most important straightened out guy in LV for the outfit

I'm asking about the book which i believe used the real names and mentioned Chicago. Again i haven't read it but i'm under the impression it's very different to the movie, Scoresese says his movies were "inspired by" Pileggi's books rather than based on which is why he changed the names and elements of the story.

Unless your second and third paragraphs are referring to the book and i've misinterpreted you in which case thanks for the information?

[Aunt+Baby]

How accurate is Nicholas Pillegi's Casino? I'm aware it's not regarding Spilotro's murder but is his time in Vegas generally accurate or what? I've seen the movie obviously but i've never read the book and i'm considering doing so if it's at least somewhat accurate. Is Frank Cullota his source or is it purely newspaper articles or what?

That movie sucked. It featured all east coast actors and not one Chicagoan such as Farina, Madsen, Montagna etc. the only one who even attempted a Chicago accent was pesci, and even that was half assed

As far as accuracy goes,no it wasn’t accurate. They couldn’t even mention Chicago outright, and that LV story in general isn’t all that interesting. The real meat on the bone & intrigue was occurring in Chicago obviously.

Also we know now that Phil Ponto was perhaps the most important straightened out guy in LV for the outfit

I'm asking about the book which i believe used the real names and mentioned Chicago. Again i haven't read it but i'm under the impression it's very different to the movie, Scoresese says his movies were "inspired by" Pileggi's books rather than based on which is why he changed the names and elements of the story.

Unless your second and third paragraphs are referring to the book and i've misinterpreted you in which case thanks for the information?

My apologies. I haven’t read the book either. However, with only having the film to go off of, I can only assume that the book was as trash as the film, considering one was based upon the other.