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That's the name he used in book said they had the arrest complaint before he was arrested
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Pogo The Clown wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 10:16 am The autopsy showed that his hands weren't cut off. He had lost parts of some fingers due to decomposition and that got spun in the media as his hands getting cut off.


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The jewelry and severed hands were both myths. Makes for a good story but someone exaggerated or lied.
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B. wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:12 pm The jewelry and severed hands were both myths. Makes for a good story but someone exaggerated or lied.
Guess I should know better that you can’t believe everything you read. So him getting killed had nothing to do with Brasco?
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Raven wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 7:43 pm
B. wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 6:12 pm The jewelry and severed hands were both myths. Makes for a good story but someone exaggerated or lied.
Guess I should know better that you can’t believe everything you read. So him getting killed had nothing to do with Brasco?
Nope, like the transcript I posted of Massino says, Sonny was making moves to takeover the family and because that he got whacked. Pistone is full of shit.
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Honestly I’m not sure I buy it. Must be some fucking coincidence that all the people that brought Brasco in got killed/supposed to be killed right after he was revealed to be a FBI agent
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Cantarella confirmed Massino's story about Mirra.

Jilly Greca was killed before Pistone left the streets, def unrelated.

Pistone himself learned before he left the street that Napolitano was trying to make a power move and that Napolitano and Massino had cut ties. There are some conversations near the end of Pistone's book that suggest there was growing tension in the family and Napolitano was at the center of it.

Did any CIs or CWs confirm there was an actual contract on Lefty? Can't remember.

Massino did confirm Pistone had been proposed for membership, so it's not like he was out to deny everything Pistone said.

Massino did say they added a rule where an associate had to be on record with his sponsor for eight years before they'd make him and this rule was directly inspired by Pistone's infiltration. I'm guessing Pistone didn't find that out until the 2000s, as that would be something he'd have milked to death -- getting the Bonannos to impose stricter induction guidelines.
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cosanostra101 wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:59 pm Massno never met Pistone. He admitted being part of Sonny Black killing read his testimony Raven. There guy is a fraud. he wears the glasses like a hit team lies in wait for him. Give me a fucking break. here is part of he testimony:
(By Ms. Merkl) Who was charged with crimes as a Donnie Brasco's infiltration of the Bonnano crime
family?
A Sonny Black, Lefty Ruggiero, Boobie, some guy Vinny, Anthony Rabito, Nicky, Nicky Santoro.
Q What, if anything, had happened to Sonny Black prior to his being charged with those crimes?
A He got killed in August of 1981.
Q When was he indicted?
A November of '81.
Q Why was Sonny Black killed?
A Sonny Black was looking to make a move on a family. And he tried to make a move, I'm ready to go to war tomorrow.
Q Who did he make that threat to?
A Salvatore Ferrugia and Sal Catalano.
Q How did you know about it?
A They told me they wanted to kill him.
Q Were you involved in the decision as to whether to kill Sonny Black?
A Yes, I was.
Q What was decided ultimately?
A That Stevie Beef was going to need him, and when Sonny
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CHARLEANE HEADING, CSR, RMR, FCRR
Case 1:05-cr-00060-NGG
Document 1374 Filed 11/01/13 Page 181 of 355 PageID #: 13658
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Black got to the house, kill him.
Q Who made the decision ultimately to kill Sonny Black?
A Stevie Beef and Sally Ferrugia.
Q Were you present for that discussion?
A Yes, I was.
Q Approximately when was Sonny Black killed? You said August 1981?
A I believe August of 1981.
Q Who was involved in Sonny Black's murder?
A Me, Sal Vitale, George from Canada, Stevie Beef, Frankie Lino, Frankie Coppa, Fat Richie, Monkey Man, Robert Lino, Joey Lino, and some guy named Louie Bagels.
Q You mentioned a number of individuals. Starting with yourself, what was your role in the murder?
A Just to pick up Stevie Beef and bring him back home.
Q What was Stevie Beef's role in the murder?
A He was to get to Sonny Black to come to the meeting to talk to.
Q He was like the lure?
A He was the lure, right.
Q What was Sal Vitale's role?
A He was there in the truck.
Q You also mentioned George from Canada.
What was George from Canada's role?
A He was in the truck with me. We were outside.
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Philly d wrote: Sun Jul 04, 2021 8:12 pm
cosanostra101 wrote: Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:59 pm Massno never met Pistone. He admitted being part of Sonny Black killing read his testimony Raven. There guy is a fraud. he wears the glasses like a hit team lies in wait for him. Give me a fucking break. here is part of he testimony:
(By Ms. Merkl) Who was charged with crimes as a Donnie Brasco's infiltration of the Bonnano crime
family?
A Sonny Black, Lefty Ruggiero, Boobie, some guy Vinny, Anthony Rabito, Nicky, Nicky Santoro.
Q What, if anything, had happened to Sonny Black prior to his being charged with those crimes?
A He got killed in August of 1981.
Q When was he indicted?
A November of '81.
Q Why was Sonny Black killed?
A Sonny Black was looking to make a move on a family. And he tried to make a move, I'm ready to go to war tomorrow.
Q Who did he make that threat to?
A Salvatore Ferrugia and Sal Catalano.
Q How did you know about it?
A They told me they wanted to kill him.
Q Were you involved in the decision as to whether to kill Sonny Black?
A Yes, I was.
Q What was decided ultimately?
A That Stevie Beef was going to need him, and when Sonny
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Case 1:05-cr-00060-NGG
Document 1374 Filed 11/01/13 Page 181 of 355 PageID #: 13658
MASSINO/DIRECT/MERKL
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Black got to the house, kill him.
Q Who made the decision ultimately to kill Sonny Black?
A Stevie Beef and Sally Ferrugia.
Q Were you present for that discussion?
A Yes, I was.
Q Approximately when was Sonny Black killed? You said August 1981?
A I believe August of 1981.
Q Who was involved in Sonny Black's murder?
A Me, Sal Vitale, George from Canada, Stevie Beef, Frankie Lino, Frankie Coppa, Fat Richie, Monkey Man, Robert Lino, Joey Lino, and some guy named Louie Bagels.
Q You mentioned a number of individuals. Starting with yourself, what was your role in the murder?
A Just to pick up Stevie Beef and bring him back home.
Q What was Stevie Beef's role in the murder?
A He was to get to Sonny Black to come to the meeting to talk to.
Q He was like the lure?
A He was the lure, right.
Q What was Sal Vitale's role?
A He was there in the truck.
Q You also mentioned George from Canada.
What was George from Canada's role?
A He was in the truck with me. We were outside.
Who is monkey man?
Monkey Man is Ronnie Falcone
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Thx
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Associate Ronald Filicomo. He went down for this murder.


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I saw that. So he stenographer must have phonetically written that as Ronnie falcone. Here is the transcript:What about Frankie Lino, what was his role?
A He had the hit, the contract to kill Sonny Black.
Q Is this the same Frankie Lino who ran out during the three captains' murders?
A Yes, it is.
Q You said he had the contract. What did you mean by that? A Sally and Stevie Beef gave it to him to kill Sonny Black and you choose who you want to use to kill him.
Q What about Fat Richie. What was Fat Richie's role?
A He was just there.
Q What about Bobby Lino?
A He was a shooter.
Q You mentioned a guy Monkey Man.
Do you know Monkey Man's real name? A Ronnie Falcone.
Q What was his role in the murder?
A He was a shooter.
Q You also mentioned a guy Joseph Lino. Who was that?
A He dug the grave where Sonny Black was supposed to get buried.
Q Do you know where Sonny Black was supposed to be buried? A I don't know. Staten Island.
Q You also mentioned a guy named Bagels something?
A He dug the hole with Joey Lino.
Q What about Frank Coppa, what was his role?
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Pogo The Clown wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:49 am Associate Ronald Filicomo. He went down for this murder.


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Yep he couldn't get made because he was a prison guard. He has a brother who is an associate as well. Also Ronald was banging a tranny I believe..him or Coppa. or both...together possibly....lol
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It was Coppa and it came up in the Massino trial. Going from memory Massino's lawyer said something about Coppa and a tranny and Coppa reason ended that it was his accountant who liked to dress in drag or something like that. It was in one of the Massino books.


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Louie Bagels? Massino mentioned him on the Napolitano hit? Surely he can't be talking about Louie Daidone could he? Daidone goes from being around the Bonnanos to getting made with the Luccheses in less than a year? I don't think he had the bagel store back then, either.

Anyone know who the Louie Bagels is that Massino mentioned?
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