Joseph DiNapoli Denied Compassionate Release

[mafiastudent]

In addition, I find it funny that the only thing you guys have when backed into a corner is lashing out with insults. Whatever. Do your thing.

[mafiastudent]

I can't make a judgment about anything until I see it all for myself.

Do you understand how truly idiotic this argument sounds? There are 2.2 million inmates in the US. None of whom are guilty according to you because you havnt seen the evidence personally.

Well done on that.

Also what you're saying here about yourself is that you're a sheep and a lemming and will digest anything the government/media throws at you without finding the facts yourself and seeing what was said and done is really in fact the truth. Good job on that.

[SonnyBlackstein]

who’s more responsible for where joe dinapoli is? Joe Dinapoli or the Judge?

4th time...?

5th time Bueller?

[SonnyBlackstein]

Also what you're saying here about yourself is that you're a sheep and a lemming and will digest anything the government/media throws at you without finding the facts yourself and seeing what was said and done is really in fact the truth. Good job on that.

Yup. That’s what I was saying.
I’ll try and slow it down so you can catch up, I’m not saying you have to automatically believe everything the government says, you’re saying you have to automatically DISBELIEVE everything the government says?

Make sense now?

Still happy with that argument?

[Confederate]

who’s more responsible for where joe dinapoli is? Joe Dinapoli or the Judge?

4th time...?

5th time Bueller?

Joe DiNapoli. Did I get it right?

[SonnyBlackstein]

Joe DiNapoli. Did I get it right?

Gold star!

I wonder why ms refuses to answer the question

[Ozgoz]

Whenever anyone does this defending mobsters thing, and uses the “I just want a fair justice system” card.....

....are always very anti rat. Always (as in this thread) does the informant bashing come up. Which is a little slip of the fanboy masquerade.

[Confederate]

Whenever anyone does this defending mobsters thing, and uses the “I just want a fair justice system” card.....

....are always very anti rat. Always (as in this thread) does the informant bashing come up. Which is a little slip of the fanboy masquerade.

Without Informants, there would be far less convictions. The Feds would only have to go by Court approved wire Taps or Joe Citizen stepping forward maybe as a witness. Need to have Informants. That's the nature of the beast (as a matter of speaking). Who would know better than somebody on the inside willing to talk. The minute the Informant lies, he loses everything. No system is perfect. Nothing in Life is perfect. All you can do is go with the best means possible which is to test the Informant thoroughly, and then use his testimony. Remember, the Defense gets to cross exam him so if they can show he is a liar, then so be it.

[bert]

Whenever anyone does this defending mobsters thing, and uses the “I just want a fair justice system” card.....

....are always very anti rat. Always (as in this thread) does the informant bashing come up. Which is a little slip of the fanboy masquerade.

Bullshit, to say me or anyone else mentioning we want a fair justice system is a "a card" to play is a load of crap. What is your reasons for wanting sick or old people to stay in prison or your reason for wanting innocent guys to go to prison? You even throw in the "fanboy" shit. You made no points, and say you are pro rat. Nice post.

[bert]

Whenever anyone does this defending mobsters thing, and uses the “I just want a fair justice system” card.....

....are always very anti rat. Always (as in this thread) does the informant bashing come up. Which is a little slip of the fanboy masquerade.

Without Informants, there would be far less convictions. The Feds would only have to go by Court approved wire Taps or Joe Citizen stepping forward maybe as a witness. Need to have Informants. That's the nature of the beast (as a matter of speaking). Who would know better than somebody on the inside willing to talk. The minute the Informant lies, he loses everything. No system is perfect. Nothing in Life is perfect. All you can do is go with the best means possible which is to test the Informant thoroughly, and then use his testimony. Remember, the Defense gets to cross exam him so if they can show he is a liar, then so be it.

Informants looking to get out of prison time will lie, a and prosectors will even help them form their lies. It needs to be stopped. Wire taps and real witness testimony from a citizen is enough. The informant have been caught lying or committing crimes after a dealer and they don't lose everything most of the time. Look at Gravano, if not for his crimes in Arizona being made public, and the local District Attorney going against the feds wishes to let him go, he was going to get away with his drug ring.

[mafiastudent]

Whenever anyone does this defending mobsters thing, and uses the “I just want a fair justice system” card.....

....are always very anti rat. Always (as in this thread) does the informant bashing come up. Which is a little slip of the fanboy masquerade.

Without Informants, there would be far less convictions. The Feds would only have to go by Court approved wire Taps or Joe Citizen stepping forward maybe as a witness. Need to have Informants. That's the nature of the beast (as a matter of speaking). Who would know better than somebody on the inside willing to talk. The minute the Informant lies, he loses everything. No system is perfect. Nothing in Life is perfect. All you can do is go with the best means possible which is to test the Informant thoroughly, and then use his testimony. Remember, the Defense gets to cross exam him so if they can show he is a liar, then so be it.

Informants looking to get out of prison time will lie, a and prosectors will even help them form their lies. It needs to be stopped. Wire taps and real witness testimony from a citizen is enough. The informant have been caught lying or committing crimes after a dealer and they don't lose everything most of the time. Look at Gravano, if not for his crimes in Arizona being made public, and the local District Attorney going against the feds wishes to let him go, he was going to get away with his drug ring.

Joseph Barboza

[Pogo The Clown]

What is your reasons for wanting sick or old people to stay in prison

Way to bury the lead. So guess I Charles Manson was just an aspiring musician and Ted Bundy was just a law student.

Wire taps and real witness testimony from a citizen is enough.

And how in your world would they go about getting wiretaps since they need probable cause to get one and in your world they are not allowed to use informants? As for "real witness testimony from a citizen" how would someone not involved in organized crime be a witness to anything that goes on in organized crime?


Pogo

[Confederate]

What is your reasons for wanting sick or old people to stay in prison

Way to bury the lead. So guess I Charles Manson was just an aspiring musician and Ted Bundy was just an aspiring lawyer.

Wire taps and real witness testimony from a citizen is enough.

And how in your world would they go about getting wiretaps since they need probably cause to get one and in your world they are not allowed to use informants. As real witness testimony from a citizen" how would someone not involved in organized crime be a witness to anything that goes on in organized crime?


Pogo

Exactly. First of all, not all Informants lie. That is a general unproven statement. The Defense team can cross examine the Informant like I stated. Let's not forget that fact. Defense Attorneys are brutal & usually better than the Prosecuting Attorneys. That's why the Defense Attorneys have their own Practices & don't work for the D.A.
If all Informants were not allowed to testify (even though they can be cross examined by the Defense) then you might as well make Organized Crime Legal & just forget about it.

[bert]

What is your reasons for wanting sick or old people to stay in prison

Way to bury the lead. So guess I Charles Manson was just an aspiring musician and Ted Bundy was just a law student.

Wire taps and real witness testimony from a citizen is enough.

And how in your world would they go about getting wiretaps since they need probable cause to get one and in your world they are not allowed to use informants? As for "real witness testimony from a citizen" how would someone not involved in organized crime be a witness to anything that goes on in organized crime?


Pogo

You are saying exactly what I mentioned was wrong with you. I support Charles Manson, Ted Bundy.." I mentioned it earlier, people like you say anyone who is for what we see as fair "Want criminals roaming the streets" You just can't deal with facts I guess.

You never heard of witnesses who were not involved in a crime? Get real.

[Pogo The Clown]

No surprise that my meaning went right over your head. I'll try to explain so that you can understand.


You describing DiNapoli and his ilk as just "sick and old people" is like describing Charles Manson as just an aspiring musician and Ted Bundy as just a law student. It is burying the lead and trying to portray them in a sympathetic light. A more apt description for DiNapoli is a murderous organized crime boss with a rap sheet a mile long. But you down play that part and try to make it seem that we want to throw random old and sick people into prison.

You never heard of witnesses who were not involved in a crime? Get real.

Ok please explain to us how someone not involved in organized crime will be in a position to testify against organized crime figures and their activities? In particular how will a law abiding citizen be able testify about the murders and racketeering operations involving Steve Crea and Joe DiNapoli? I'm all ears.


Pogo