Coloboy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:46 am
The Fosco ANP stuff is so interesting not so much because of any groundbreaking intel gained, but because you get insight into relationships, personalities, etc. It's unlikely someone so close to the Outfit will talk about stuff like that again. It was evident to me that he always felt like Difronzo should have protected him from the extortion attempts, and he felt so butt hurt by it, hence the crazy vendetta. Lots of stuff to comb through on there. I remembering him talking about how Sarno was still kicking up/sharing profits with No Nose at that time, which was later backed up by an FBI report.
It also emphasized just how wrong the media often has been on things. Fosco was the first one to really make clear that being 'made' in Chicago was quite exclusive and that many of the guys we all would have believed were made - from Mike Mags to Buddy Ciotti - were never actually made but still wielded influence. He also shed light on some of the older rackets that set families like Cerones, Messinos, Amabiles and Daddanos up for generational wealth. There is not another source out there who has shone light on the various car dealership rackets and behind the scenes businesses these guys were taking a piece of.
Wait, when was it determined that Mikey Mags wasn’t made?
I don't think anything has ever come out that he isn't. Maybe NB meant Talarico.
Are there any new rumblings about Magnafichi? I recall rumors a few years ago that he might be active with the crew again and back in good graces. Dude is plugged into that world and I imagine getting a book going wouldn't be that difficult. Maybe PatrickGold has seen him at Capri
This is the most recent thing I've heard about him.
Lieutenant
Chicago Outfit
Jul 1981 - Mar 2003 · 21 yrs 9 mos
Chicago, Illinois, United States
Oversaw and organized a multimillion-dollar bootleg sports-gaming operation
Lieutenant
Chicago Outfit
Jul 1981 - Mar 2003 · 21 yrs 9 mos
Chicago, Illinois, United States
Oversaw and organized a multimillion-dollar bootleg sports-gaming operation
Lol, holy shit! Maybe the only human ever to put that on a resume?
In all fairness, managing a multi million dollar book in that world would certainly gain you all kinds of inter-personal and management skills, it's just not something you would expect to find on a Linkedin page.
Lieutenant
Chicago Outfit
Jul 1981 - Mar 2003 · 21 yrs 9 mos
Chicago, Illinois, United States
Oversaw and organized a multimillion-dollar bootleg sports-gaming operation
Lol, holy shit! Maybe the only human ever to put that on a resume?
In all fairness, managing a multi million dollar book in that world would certainly gain you all kinds of inter-personal and management skills, it's just not something you would expect to find on a Linkedin page.
I like how if it wasn't obvious what the Chicago Outfit was, it links you to the Wikipedia page featuring a nice picture of Al Capone and the history of the Outfit.
Coloboy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:46 am
The Fosco ANP stuff is so interesting not so much because of any groundbreaking intel gained, but because you get insight into relationships, personalities, etc. It's unlikely someone so close to the Outfit will talk about stuff like that again. It was evident to me that he always felt like Difronzo should have protected him from the extortion attempts, and he felt so butt hurt by it, hence the crazy vendetta. Lots of stuff to comb through on there. I remembering him talking about how Sarno was still kicking up/sharing profits with No Nose at that time, which was later backed up by an FBI report.
It also emphasized just how wrong the media often has been on things. Fosco was the first one to really make clear that being 'made' in Chicago was quite exclusive and that many of the guys we all would have believed were made - from Mike Mags to Buddy Ciotti - were never actually made but still wielded influence. He also shed light on some of the older rackets that set families like Cerones, Messinos, Amabiles and Daddanos up for generational wealth. There is not another source out there who has shone light on the various car dealership rackets and behind the scenes businesses these guys were taking a piece of.
Wait, when was it determined that Mikey Mags wasn’t made?
I don't think anything has ever come out that he isn't. Maybe NB meant Talarico.
Are there any new rumblings about Magnafichi? I recall rumors a few years ago that he might be active with the crew again and back in good graces. Dude is plugged into that world and I imagine getting a book going wouldn't be that difficult. Maybe PatrickGold has seen him at Capri
Nope and I highly doubt he will go anywhere were Outfit guys may be hanging at. I could definitely see some of the guys starting stuff with him for what he did. Here is the last article I saw about him in which he supposedly found god.
Coloboy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:46 am
The Fosco ANP stuff is so interesting not so much because of any groundbreaking intel gained, but because you get insight into relationships, personalities, etc. It's unlikely someone so close to the Outfit will talk about stuff like that again. It was evident to me that he always felt like Difronzo should have protected him from the extortion attempts, and he felt so butt hurt by it, hence the crazy vendetta. Lots of stuff to comb through on there. I remembering him talking about how Sarno was still kicking up/sharing profits with No Nose at that time, which was later backed up by an FBI report.
It also emphasized just how wrong the media often has been on things. Fosco was the first one to really make clear that being 'made' in Chicago was quite exclusive and that many of the guys we all would have believed were made - from Mike Mags to Buddy Ciotti - were never actually made but still wielded influence. He also shed light on some of the older rackets that set families like Cerones, Messinos, Amabiles and Daddanos up for generational wealth. There is not another source out there who has shone light on the various car dealership rackets and behind the scenes businesses these guys were taking a piece of.
Wait, when was it determined that Mikey Mags wasn’t made?
I don't think anything has ever come out that he isn't. Maybe NB meant Talarico.
Are there any new rumblings about Magnafichi? I recall rumors a few years ago that he might be active with the crew again and back in good graces. Dude is plugged into that world and I imagine getting a book going wouldn't be that difficult. Maybe PatrickGold has seen him at Capri
Nope and I highly doubt he will go anywhere were Outfit guys may be hanging at. I could definitely see some of the guys starting stuff with him for what he did. Here is the last article I saw about him in which he supposedly found god.
What did he do? Was it just the Fosco stuff or is there more to the story?
I've heard he was a drunk and degenerate gambler. I guess something had to lead to him ending up on the Fosco podcast, if his resume (lol) said he left the Outfit in 2003.
I thought those interviews revealed some interesting stuff, too bad fosco was such a god awful interviewer. Some of those back and forths were pretty painful.
Interesting article from the Chicago Tribune on Chicago Crime Commission stating the Outfit refused to call itself 'mafia' or 'LCN' so they could deny that outright in court. https://www.chicagotribune.com/1990/10/ ... -about-it/
Coloboy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:46 am
The Fosco ANP stuff is so interesting not so much because of any groundbreaking intel gained, but because you get insight into relationships, personalities, etc. It's unlikely someone so close to the Outfit will talk about stuff like that again. It was evident to me that he always felt like Difronzo should have protected him from the extortion attempts, and he felt so butt hurt by it, hence the crazy vendetta. Lots of stuff to comb through on there. I remembering him talking about how Sarno was still kicking up/sharing profits with No Nose at that time, which was later backed up by an FBI report.
It also emphasized just how wrong the media often has been on things. Fosco was the first one to really make clear that being 'made' in Chicago was quite exclusive and that many of the guys we all would have believed were made - from Mike Mags to Buddy Ciotti - were never actually made but still wielded influence. He also shed light on some of the older rackets that set families like Cerones, Messinos, Amabiles and Daddanos up for generational wealth. There is not another source out there who has shone light on the various car dealership rackets and behind the scenes businesses these guys were taking a piece of.
Wait, when was it determined that Mikey Mags wasn’t made?
I don't think anything has ever come out that he isn't. Maybe NB meant Talarico.
Sorry I meant D'Amico not being made (which I'm not sure I believe). Magnafichi was often referred to as Made by Fosco or a 'Lieutenant' - Fosco never asked him about the ceremony and all that, which I believe was probably entirely off limits.
Fosco also once stated in a comment that Willie Messino told him that Magnafichi was made:
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Coloboy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:46 am
The Fosco ANP stuff is so interesting not so much because of any groundbreaking intel gained, but because you get insight into relationships, personalities, etc. It's unlikely someone so close to the Outfit will talk about stuff like that again. It was evident to me that he always felt like Difronzo should have protected him from the extortion attempts, and he felt so butt hurt by it, hence the crazy vendetta. Lots of stuff to comb through on there. I remembering him talking about how Sarno was still kicking up/sharing profits with No Nose at that time, which was later backed up by an FBI report.
It also emphasized just how wrong the media often has been on things. Fosco was the first one to really make clear that being 'made' in Chicago was quite exclusive and that many of the guys we all would have believed were made - from Mike Mags to Buddy Ciotti - were never actually made but still wielded influence. He also shed light on some of the older rackets that set families like Cerones, Messinos, Amabiles and Daddanos up for generational wealth. There is not another source out there who has shone light on the various car dealership rackets and behind the scenes businesses these guys were taking a piece of.
Wait, when was it determined that Mikey Mags wasn’t made?
I don't think anything has ever come out that he isn't. Maybe NB meant Talarico.
Are there any new rumblings about Magnafichi? I recall rumors a few years ago that he might be active with the crew again and back in good graces. Dude is plugged into that world and I imagine getting a book going wouldn't be that difficult. Maybe PatrickGold has seen him at Capri
Nope and I highly doubt he will go anywhere were Outfit guys may be hanging at. I could definitely see some of the guys starting stuff with him for what he did. Here is the last article I saw about him in which he supposedly found god.
What did he do? Was it just the Fosco stuff or is there more to the story?
I've heard he was a drunk and degenerate gambler. I guess something had to lead to him ending up on the Fosco podcast, if his resume (lol) said he left the Outfit in 2003.
Besides be a drunk and pill head, he got arrested for shop
Lifting and stuff like that. Big embarrassment. Plus he was being groomed to really go to the top and threw it all away. The Fosco stuff was kind of the nail in the coffin for him in regards to having anything to do with the Outfit.
Lieutenant
Chicago Outfit
Jul 1981 - Mar 2003 · 21 yrs 9 mos
Chicago, Illinois, United States
Oversaw and organized a multimillion-dollar bootleg sports-gaming operation
Lol, holy shit! Maybe the only human ever to put that on a resume?
In all fairness, managing a multi million dollar book in that world would certainly gain you all kinds of inter-personal and management skills, it's just not something you would expect to find on a Linkedin page.
I like how if it wasn't obvious what the Chicago Outfit was, it links you to the Wikipedia page featuring a nice picture of Al Capone and the history of the Outfit.
HA!
Joe Fosco also gave him a recommendation on his page!
I've said this before, but I still think Mags was saying things in those interviews to protect his old buddies. Stuff like outfit has no hand in gambling anymore since it's legal things of that nature. Also, he was one of the first people to hint that Gary Gags may have had more clout than we realized. As I recall he seemed spooked to talk about him along with a few others.
funkster wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:46 pm
I've said this before, but I still think Mags was saying things in those interviews to protect his old buddies. Stuff like outfit has no hand in gambling anymore since it's legal things of that nature. Also, he was one of the first people to hint that Gary Gags may have had more clout than we realized. As I recall he seemed spooked to talk about him along with a few others.
Yep. At one point, he was talking about Vena, and then the next week refused to. It really seemed as though somebody said something/threatened him.
Coloboy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2024 9:46 am
The Fosco ANP stuff is so interesting not so much because of any groundbreaking intel gained, but because you get insight into relationships, personalities, etc. It's unlikely someone so close to the Outfit will talk about stuff like that again. It was evident to me that he always felt like Difronzo should have protected him from the extortion attempts, and he felt so butt hurt by it, hence the crazy vendetta. Lots of stuff to comb through on there. I remembering him talking about how Sarno was still kicking up/sharing profits with No Nose at that time, which was later backed up by an FBI report.
It also emphasized just how wrong the media often has been on things. Fosco was the first one to really make clear that being 'made' in Chicago was quite exclusive and that many of the guys we all would have believed were made - from Mike Mags to Buddy Ciotti - were never actually made but still wielded influence. He also shed light on some of the older rackets that set families like Cerones, Messinos, Amabiles and Daddanos up for generational wealth. There is not another source out there who has shone light on the various car dealership rackets and behind the scenes businesses these guys were taking a piece of.
Wait, when was it determined that Mikey Mags wasn’t made?
I don't think anything has ever come out that he isn't. Maybe NB meant Talarico.
Are there any new rumblings about Magnafichi? I recall rumors a few years ago that he might be active with the crew again and back in good graces. Dude is plugged into that world and I imagine getting a book going wouldn't be that difficult. Maybe PatrickGold has seen him at Capri
Nope and I highly doubt he will go anywhere were Outfit guys may be hanging at. I could definitely see some of the guys starting stuff with him for what he did. Here is the last article I saw about him in which he supposedly found god.
What did he do? Was it just the Fosco stuff or is there more to the story?
I've heard he was a drunk and degenerate gambler. I guess something had to lead to him ending up on the Fosco podcast, if his resume (lol) said he left the Outfit in 2003.
Besides be a drunk and pill head, he got arrested for shop
Lifting and stuff like that. Big embarrassment. Plus he was being groomed to really go to the top and threw it all away. The Fosco stuff was kind of the nail in the coffin for him in regards to having anything to do with the Outfit.
I’m sure he has some FBI 302s to his name
He's a pretty interesting guy. No doubt he was being groomed for something big. His dad was an Elmwood Park capo and a powerhouse. He drove Cerone and tells stories about playing golf with Accardo, so he was no doubt around the heavyweights and I'm sure they had big plans for him.
He went to college for a minute, so he was no dummy either.
