General Chicago Outfit Info Dumping Ground

[Snakes]

Is there a way to access full CCC reports? Thinking specifically about the 1997 report that contained the chart that's accessible through the Laborers website and the 2000 report that Angelo used to create his chart for that year.

I read through the entirety of Fosco's writings (and the comments) on ANP for the first time this week and I fear the Chicago bug has bit me.

CCC is notoriously hard to get answers out of. They have a ton of stuff, but I've only gotten one response concerning records in their "archive," and then it's been radio silence ever since, even after numerous contact attempts, although I admit it's been a couple years since I tried.

[Ivan]

I read through the entirety of Fosco's writings (and the comments) on ANP for the first time this week and I fear the Chicago bug has bit me.

Carparelli wiretaps is what did it for me, lol. You've heard those, right? I rediscovered them a year and a half ago and haven't been right since.

My big thing is mentally "reconstructing" the present-day Outfit based on what we know as factual + the more plausible rumors.

You probably know how to to do all this already, but if not: The search function on Fosco's site doesn't search the comment sections but they've been archived by google so if you run whatever you're searching through Google in quotes for alongside "site:americannewspost.com" you can find things easily, that's how for example I found him talking about Lou Rainone in 2010. Also I just use the Ctrl + F function of most browsers to jump to whatever it is you're looking for in cases where the comment section is a million words long. For example: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22lou+ ... wspost.com

[Coloboy]

The Fosco ANP stuff is so interesting not so much because of any groundbreaking intel gained, but because you get insight into relationships, personalities, etc. It's unlikely someone so close to the Outfit will talk about stuff like that again. It was evident to me that he always felt like Difronzo should have protected him from the extortion attempts, and he felt so butt hurt by it, hence the crazy vendetta. Lots of stuff to comb through on there. I remembering him talking about how Sarno was still kicking up/sharing profits with No Nose at that time, which was later backed up by an FBI report.

[PolackTony]

I read through the entirety of Fosco's writings (and the comments) on ANP for the first time this week and I fear the Chicago bug has bit me.

Welcome aboard, bro. Should go without saying, but I have always had a ton of respect and appreciation for your contributions on BHF. The subject of Chicago can only benefit from having you attend to it as well, given your rigorous treatment of sources and fine attention to detail. Regardless of its exact state today, Chicago is, of course, one of the most important Families in the history of the American Cosa Nostra, so I’m always happy to see engagement from people who have previously focused on other areas.

[PolackTony]

Question for the Outfit experts...Snakes, Polack, etc. - I noted John Rainone was listed as a collector within the Calabrese street crew indictment from the mid 1990s - is this the same John Rainone who is the father of Mario Rainone and was indicted on extortion and drug charges about 10 years ago?

https://ipsn.org/calabrese-street-crew- ... n-97-4-28/

Is that Philadelphia boss John Stanfa that they mention in that? If so is Ronald Mazzone a relative of Stevie and Sonny?

Yup, same John Stanfa. And I *believe* that Ron Mazzone was an either an uncle or older brother of Steve and Salvatore “Sonny” Mazzone. I don’t know all of these Philly genealogies like I do with Chicago, but I believe they are indeed related.

Phil “Philly Beans” Tolomeo was a former CPD cop and associate of the LaPietra (Chinatown) crew who worked as a collector for the Calabrese brothers’ juice loan operation. After he was chased from Chicago for stealing, he hooked up with Stanfa’s people doing juice loans out there, but wound up beating them on their investment nut for the loans and then went back to Chicago. This was in the early 90s, IIRC, and thus Stanfa had some more pressing matters, to say the least, to deal with at that time.

A number of Philly guys back in the day had ties to Chicago, and I’m sure there are other connections that we don’t know about. I’ve gone into this a bit before, but Stanfa himself has a bunch of relatives in Chicago. He is from Caccamo, a town in Palermo province with strong, longstanding immigration ties to Chicago, so it’s no surprise that he would have had some links to guys there.

Years ago when I lived in Rockford I met a Sam Stanfa who I had heard was related to the Philly Stanfa family. I'm not so sure as I believe his father was Ciro who died in Rockford in the 2950s I think. Sam was born in the U.S. but I have no idea where Ciro was born.

I have Ciro Stanfa of Rockford as born in Trabìa, while his wife, the mother of Salvatore “Sam” Stanfa, was Gaetana Cioppa, a native of Santo Stefano Del Sole, Avellino.

Trabìa borders Càccamo (in the middle of the area of Palermo province around Tèrmini Imerese that I like to call the “Chicago Triangle”), while the Stanfa surname is uncommon and basically only found in Càccamo. Thus, Ciro Stanfa *could have been* a — presumably rather distant — relative of Giovanni Stanfa’s family from back in the 1800s.

[cavita]

Question for the Outfit experts...Snakes, Polack, etc. - I noted John Rainone was listed as a collector within the Calabrese street crew indictment from the mid 1990s - is this the same John Rainone who is the father of Mario Rainone and was indicted on extortion and drug charges about 10 years ago?

https://ipsn.org/calabrese-street-crew- ... n-97-4-28/

Is that Philadelphia boss John Stanfa that they mention in that? If so is Ronald Mazzone a relative of Stevie and Sonny?

Yup, same John Stanfa. And I *believe* that Ron Mazzone was an either an uncle or older brother of Steve and Salvatore “Sonny” Mazzone. I don’t know all of these Philly genealogies like I do with Chicago, but I believe they are indeed related.

Phil “Philly Beans” Tolomeo was a former CPD cop and associate of the LaPietra (Chinatown) crew who worked as a collector for the Calabrese brothers’ juice loan operation. After he was chased from Chicago for stealing, he hooked up with Stanfa’s people doing juice loans out there, but wound up beating them on their investment nut for the loans and then went back to Chicago. This was in the early 90s, IIRC, and thus Stanfa had some more pressing matters, to say the least, to deal with at that time.

A number of Philly guys back in the day had ties to Chicago, and I’m sure there are other connections that we don’t know about. I’ve gone into this a bit before, but Stanfa himself has a bunch of relatives in Chicago. He is from Caccamo, a town in Palermo province with strong, longstanding immigration ties to Chicago, so it’s no surprise that he would have had some links to guys there.

Years ago when I lived in Rockford I met a Sam Stanfa who I had heard was related to the Philly Stanfa family. I'm not so sure as I believe his father was Ciro who died in Rockford in the 2950s I think. Sam was born in the U.S. but I have no idea where Ciro was born.

I have Ciro Stanfa of Rockford as born in Trabìa, while his wife, the mother of Salvatore “Sam” Stanfa, was Gaetana Cioppa, a native of Santo Stefano Del Sole, Avellino.

Trabìa borders Càccamo (in the middle of the area of Palermo province around Tèrmini Imerese that I like to call the “Chicago Triangle”), while the Stanfa surname is uncommon and basically only found in Càccamo. Thus, Ciro Stanfa *could have been* a — presumably rather distant — relative of Giovanni Stanfa’s family from back in the 1800s.

Interesting and thanks for finding that! I do note that the Cioppa family changed their name to Choppi/Choppie in Rockford and there were a few that were fronts for the Rockford LCN in the ownership of taverns.

[chin_gigante]

Is there a way to access full CCC reports? Thinking specifically about the 1997 report that contained the chart that's accessible through the Laborers website and the 2000 report that Angelo used to create his chart for that year.

I read through the entirety of Fosco's writings (and the comments) on ANP for the first time this week and I fear the Chicago bug has bit me.

Welcome to the dark side

The CCC report was compiled by Wayne Johnson - I personally think he's top-notch but others on this forum question his legitimacy. I think most of the CCC reports are buried on John Flood's old website that you can still archive.
https://ipsn.org/whos-who-in-chicago-outfit-for-1997/

Thanks, I'll check it out.

Cheers to everyone else too for their recommendations/suggestions.

[NorthBuffalo]

The Fosco ANP stuff is so interesting not so much because of any groundbreaking intel gained, but because you get insight into relationships, personalities, etc. It's unlikely someone so close to the Outfit will talk about stuff like that again. It was evident to me that he always felt like Difronzo should have protected him from the extortion attempts, and he felt so butt hurt by it, hence the crazy vendetta. Lots of stuff to comb through on there. I remembering him talking about how Sarno was still kicking up/sharing profits with No Nose at that time, which was later backed up by an FBI report.

It also emphasized just how wrong the media often has been on things. Fosco was the first one to really make clear that being 'made' in Chicago was quite exclusive and that many of the guys we all would have believed were made - from Mike Mags to Buddy Ciotti - were never actually made but still wielded influence. He also shed light on some of the older rackets that set families like Cerones, Messinos, Amabiles and Daddanos up for generational wealth. There is not another source out there who has shone light on the various car dealership rackets and behind the scenes businesses these guys were taking a piece of.

[Cosmik_Debris]

Question for the Outfit experts...Snakes, Polack, etc. - I noted John Rainone was listed as a collector within the Calabrese street crew indictment from the mid 1990s - is this the same John Rainone who is the father of Mario Rainone and was indicted on extortion and drug charges about 10 years ago?

https://ipsn.org/calabrese-street-crew- ... n-97-4-28/

Is that Philadelphia boss John Stanfa that they mention in that? If so is Ronald Mazzone a relative of Stevie and Sonny?

Yup, same John Stanfa. And I *believe* that Ron Mazzone was an either an uncle or older brother of Steve and Salvatore “Sonny” Mazzone. I don’t know all of these Philly genealogies like I do with Chicago, but I believe they are indeed related.

Phil “Philly Beans” Tolomeo was a former CPD cop and associate of the LaPietra (Chinatown) crew who worked as a collector for the Calabrese brothers’ juice loan operation. After he was chased from Chicago for stealing, he hooked up with Stanfa’s people doing juice loans out there, but wound up beating them on their investment nut for the loans and then went back to Chicago. This was in the early 90s, IIRC, and thus Stanfa had some more pressing matters, to say the least, to deal with at that time.

A number of Philly guys back in the day had ties to Chicago, and I’m sure there are other connections that we don’t know about. I’ve gone into this a bit before, but Stanfa himself has a bunch of relatives in Chicago. He is from Caccamo, a town in Palermo province with strong, longstanding immigration ties to Chicago, so it’s no surprise that he would have had some links to guys there.

Years ago when I lived in Rockford I met a Sam Stanfa who I had heard was related to the Philly Stanfa family. I'm not so sure as I believe his father was Ciro who died in Rockford in the 2950s I think. Sam was born in the U.S. but I have no idea where Ciro was born.

I work a lot with a Stanfa who is a cousin of John Stanfa and is a Chicago Heights native. Good guy.

[funkster]

Is there a way to access full CCC reports? Thinking specifically about the 1997 report that contained the chart that's accessible through the Laborers website and the 2000 report that Angelo used to create his chart for that year.

I read through the entirety of Fosco's writings (and the comments) on ANP for the first time this week and I fear the Chicago bug has bit me.

CCC is notoriously hard to get answers out of. They have a ton of stuff, but I've only gotten one response concerning records in their "archive," and then it's been radio silence ever since, even after numerous contact attempts, although I admit it's been a couple years since I tried.

Want me to go to their physical offices and try?

[funkster]

The Fosco ANP stuff is so interesting not so much because of any groundbreaking intel gained, but because you get insight into relationships, personalities, etc. It's unlikely someone so close to the Outfit will talk about stuff like that again. It was evident to me that he always felt like Difronzo should have protected him from the extortion attempts, and he felt so butt hurt by it, hence the crazy vendetta. Lots of stuff to comb through on there. I remembering him talking about how Sarno was still kicking up/sharing profits with No Nose at that time, which was later backed up by an FBI report.

It also emphasized just how wrong the media often has been on things. Fosco was the first one to really make clear that being 'made' in Chicago was quite exclusive and that many of the guys we all would have believed were made - from Mike Mags to Buddy Ciotti - were never actually made but still wielded influence. He also shed light on some of the older rackets that set families like Cerones, Messinos, Amabiles and Daddanos up for generational wealth. There is not another source out there who has shone light on the various car dealership rackets and behind the scenes businesses these guys were taking a piece of.

Wait, when was it determined that Mikey Mags wasn’t made?

[PolackTony]

Question for the Outfit experts...Snakes, Polack, etc. - I noted John Rainone was listed as a collector within the Calabrese street crew indictment from the mid 1990s - is this the same John Rainone who is the father of Mario Rainone and was indicted on extortion and drug charges about 10 years ago?

https://ipsn.org/calabrese-street-crew- ... n-97-4-28/

Is that Philadelphia boss John Stanfa that they mention in that? If so is Ronald Mazzone a relative of Stevie and Sonny?

Yup, same John Stanfa. And I *believe* that Ron Mazzone was an either an uncle or older brother of Steve and Salvatore “Sonny” Mazzone. I don’t know all of these Philly genealogies like I do with Chicago, but I believe they are indeed related.

Phil “Philly Beans” Tolomeo was a former CPD cop and associate of the LaPietra (Chinatown) crew who worked as a collector for the Calabrese brothers’ juice loan operation. After he was chased from Chicago for stealing, he hooked up with Stanfa’s people doing juice loans out there, but wound up beating them on their investment nut for the loans and then went back to Chicago. This was in the early 90s, IIRC, and thus Stanfa had some more pressing matters, to say the least, to deal with at that time.

A number of Philly guys back in the day had ties to Chicago, and I’m sure there are other connections that we don’t know about. I’ve gone into this a bit before, but Stanfa himself has a bunch of relatives in Chicago. He is from Caccamo, a town in Palermo province with strong, longstanding immigration ties to Chicago, so it’s no surprise that he would have had some links to guys there.

Years ago when I lived in Rockford I met a Sam Stanfa who I had heard was related to the Philly Stanfa family. I'm not so sure as I believe his father was Ciro who died in Rockford in the 2950s I think. Sam was born in the U.S. but I have no idea where Ciro was born.

I work a lot with a Stanfa who is a cousin of John Stanfa and is a Chicago Heights native. Good guy.

Oh yeah. There were a bunch of Caccamesi in the Heights, along with the NW Side/burbs. Thus, there were Stanfa relatives who settled in both sections to Chicagoland.

[Snakes]

The Fosco ANP stuff is so interesting not so much because of any groundbreaking intel gained, but because you get insight into relationships, personalities, etc. It's unlikely someone so close to the Outfit will talk about stuff like that again. It was evident to me that he always felt like Difronzo should have protected him from the extortion attempts, and he felt so butt hurt by it, hence the crazy vendetta. Lots of stuff to comb through on there. I remembering him talking about how Sarno was still kicking up/sharing profits with No Nose at that time, which was later backed up by an FBI report.

It also emphasized just how wrong the media often has been on things. Fosco was the first one to really make clear that being 'made' in Chicago was quite exclusive and that many of the guys we all would have believed were made - from Mike Mags to Buddy Ciotti - were never actually made but still wielded influence. He also shed light on some of the older rackets that set families like Cerones, Messinos, Amabiles and Daddanos up for generational wealth. There is not another source out there who has shone light on the various car dealership rackets and behind the scenes businesses these guys were taking a piece of.

Wait, when was it determined that Mikey Mags wasn’t made?

I don't think anything has ever come out that he isn't. Maybe NB meant Talarico.

[Coloboy]

The Fosco ANP stuff is so interesting not so much because of any groundbreaking intel gained, but because you get insight into relationships, personalities, etc. It's unlikely someone so close to the Outfit will talk about stuff like that again. It was evident to me that he always felt like Difronzo should have protected him from the extortion attempts, and he felt so butt hurt by it, hence the crazy vendetta. Lots of stuff to comb through on there. I remembering him talking about how Sarno was still kicking up/sharing profits with No Nose at that time, which was later backed up by an FBI report.

It also emphasized just how wrong the media often has been on things. Fosco was the first one to really make clear that being 'made' in Chicago was quite exclusive and that many of the guys we all would have believed were made - from Mike Mags to Buddy Ciotti - were never actually made but still wielded influence. He also shed light on some of the older rackets that set families like Cerones, Messinos, Amabiles and Daddanos up for generational wealth. There is not another source out there who has shone light on the various car dealership rackets and behind the scenes businesses these guys were taking a piece of.

Wait, when was it determined that Mikey Mags wasn’t made?

I don't think anything has ever come out that he isn't. Maybe NB meant Talarico.

Are there any new rumblings about Magnafichi? I recall rumors a few years ago that he might be active with the crew again and back in good graces. Dude is plugged into that world and I imagine getting a book going wouldn't be that difficult. Maybe PatrickGold has seen him at Capri

[NorthBuffalo]

The Fosco ANP stuff is so interesting not so much because of any groundbreaking intel gained, but because you get insight into relationships, personalities, etc. It's unlikely someone so close to the Outfit will talk about stuff like that again. It was evident to me that he always felt like Difronzo should have protected him from the extortion attempts, and he felt so butt hurt by it, hence the crazy vendetta. Lots of stuff to comb through on there. I remembering him talking about how Sarno was still kicking up/sharing profits with No Nose at that time, which was later backed up by an FBI report.

It also emphasized just how wrong the media often has been on things. Fosco was the first one to really make clear that being 'made' in Chicago was quite exclusive and that many of the guys we all would have believed were made - from Mike Mags to Buddy Ciotti - were never actually made but still wielded influence. He also shed light on some of the older rackets that set families like Cerones, Messinos, Amabiles and Daddanos up for generational wealth. There is not another source out there who has shone light on the various car dealership rackets and behind the scenes businesses these guys were taking a piece of.

Wait, when was it determined that Mikey Mags wasn’t made?

I don't think anything has ever come out that he isn't. Maybe NB meant Talarico.

Sorry I meant D'Amico not being made (which I'm not sure I believe). Magnafichi was often referred to as Made by Fosco or a 'Lieutenant' - Fosco never asked him about the ceremony and all that, which I believe was probably entirely off limits.