Visiting the West Side 1963

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Re: Visiting the West Side 1963

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Celambrino crew member Edward Lanzieri was put with Peter DeFeo. It appears that Joseph Celambrino, Salvatore's son, was with DeFeo aswell, so it's probable that Celambrino's crew was put with DeFeo.
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Re: Visiting the West Side 1963

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Genovese have always had 13 or 14 captains there was wiretap back in the 60s saying about money getting brought in for Vito while he was in jail off the 13 families meaning crews and fish cafaro statement in the 80s saying genovese family have always had 13 or 14 captains I just can’t remember thjnk it was 13 I no he got mixed up on few things but he would no how many crews there was
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Re: Visiting the West Side 1963

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Sdunn48 wrote: Sun May 26, 2024 2:13 pm Genovese have always had 13 or 14 captains there was wiretap back in the 60s saying about money getting brought in for Vito while he was in jail off the 13 families meaning crews and fish cafaro statement in the 80s saying genovese family have always had 13 or 14 captains I just can’t remember thjnk it was 13 I no he got mixed up on few things but he would no how many crews there was
According to FBI files, a much larger number of captains looms since at least 1957, when Michael Miranda's large crew broke up.

Apart from a number of suspected captains, by 1957 the following individuals were most likely in command of their own crews:
1. Ruggierio Boiardo;
2. Eugene Catena;
3. Peter De Feo;
4. Salvatore Celambrino;
5. Frank Celano;
6. Salvatore Cufari;
7. Antonio Carillo;
8. Generoso Del Duca;
9. Pietro Dolce;
10. Alphonse Tieri;
11. Anthony Strollo;
12. Anthony Carfano;
13. Vincenzo Alo;
14. Michael Coppola;
15. Gaetano Greco;
16. Vincenzo Generoso;
17. Rocco Pellegrino;
18. Cosimo Frasca;
19. Vincenzo Altomari?;
20. James Angelina?;

At this time or later, Angelo De Carlo and Angelo Fiore will also become captains. As you can see, the number of captains, even in the most conservative estimates, is more than 14. It is convenient to believe that the Genovese family always had 14 captains, but data from FBI files and other sources contradict this misconception.

The question arises. Why do some informants tell us about 14 captains if there were more? Even in the 1980s, there were probably more than 14.
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Re: Visiting the West Side 1963

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Sdunn48 wrote: Sun May 26, 2024 2:13 pm Genovese have always had 13 or 14 captains there was wiretap back in the 60s saying about money getting brought in for Vito while he was in jail off the 13 families meaning crews and fish cafaro statement in the 80s saying genovese family have always had 13 or 14 captains I just can’t remember thjnk it was 13 I no he got mixed up on few things but he would no how many crews there was
Here’s what I’ve been able to put together for captains in the 1960s, with a bias in favour for intel provided by member sources or picked up by wiretaps targeting confirmed members.

Identified by Joe Valachi:

1. Vincent Alo (succeeded Joe Adonis)
2. James Angelino
3. Ruggiero Boiardo
4. Michael Coppola (succeeded Ciro Terranova)
5. Thomas Eboli (succeeded Anthony Strollo)
6. Thomas Greco
7. Rocco Pellegrino

Confirmed to be captains through various discussions picked up by NK 2251-C* and NK 2319-C*:

8. Eugene Catena
9. Angelo DeCarlo

Five members (most of whom were formerly under Mike Miranda) who were made captains by Genovese:

10. Salvatore Celambrino
11. Frank Celano
12. Peter DeFeo
13. Cosmo Frasca
14. Frank Tieri

(See here for more information: viewtopic.php?t=12357).

In 1962, Greg Scarpa told the FBI that either Joseph Lanza or his brother was a captain; in 1965, Harold Konigsberg told the FBI that it was Harry Lanza; Tommy Eboli was also picked up on tape that year by NY 398-C* describing Harry as a ‘colonel’:

15. Harry Lanza

(See here: https://vault.fbi.gov/gregory-scarpa-sr ... of-01/view; https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... enovese%22; https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... y_lanza%22).

In January 1964, member source NY 4336-C-TE told the FBI that Salvatore Granello’s captain was Jimmy Dimino:

16. Vincenzo Generoso

(See here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... %22mino%22).

In May 1964, Raymond Patriarca was picked up by BS 837-C* talking about how Sam Cufari had authority over other Genovese family members in the Springfield area:

17. Salvatore Cufari

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In June 1964, NK 2319-C* picked up information from the Catenas that Tony Carillo was Tony Provenzano’s captain:

18. Antonio Carillo

(See here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... %22capo%22)

Additionally, in April 1965, DeCarlo was picked up by NK 2251-C* talking about how Rosario Mogavero had recently been made a captain, taking over from a ‘Patsy’ who died:

19. ‘Patsy’

This could be a reference to Pasquale Del Duca or perhaps to Vincenzo Altomari, both of whom had recently died. LCN Bios carries Altomari as a captain in the 1960s, with Joseph Lapi being a member of his crew who later reported to Mogavero. (See more: https://lcnbios.blogspot.com/2022/04/ge ... lapis.html).

Then there were also Generoso Del Duca and Pietro Dolce, who died in the early 1960s. SF 3208-C-TE (Lucchese member Carmine Taglialatella) told the FBI in 1969 that Del Duca and Dolce were both made captains in the late 1950s, receiving portions of the Miranda crew. Valachi also identified Del Duca as a captain. (See here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... 22dolce%22).
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