Crea as Boss?

[Villain]

A question...is it voting and creating policy for the organization a simple "operational" move? And if so, whats the job for the organizational guys?

As for "Hmm, this guy's been crew boss for awhile, fuck it, let's just call him a capo.", thats how influential soldiers get bumped up after awhile. Lots of examples. Believe it or not, thats how Killer Kruse took over Rocco Fischettis crew in Lake County. Capo Fischetti made a mistake and Kruse simply took over with a blessing from the top.

As i previously said, im asking about the US organizations, not the Italian Masonic Mafia organizations. The Italians werent the first OC groups in the US and they werent the majority in the country. Theres definitely a difference. Theres a huge difference between Al Capone and Calogero Vizzini.

If the non-Italians were considered complete outsiders, then Lenny Patrick wasnt going to succeed in brinhing down part of the top ITALIAN leadership in Chicago, including the boss. Patrick knew everything regarding the hierarchy and inner workings. Now, Patrick was way below Alex, so can you imagine how much Alex knew about the US Mafia and was completely accepted by them?!

[InCamelot]

A question...is it voting and creating policy for the organization a simple "operational" move? And if so, whats the job for the organizational guys?

As for "Hmm, this guy's been crew boss for awhile, fuck it, let's just call him a capo.", thats how influential soldiers get bumped up after awhile. Lots of examples. Believe it or not, thats how Killer Kruse took over Rocco Fischettis crew in Lake County. Capo Fischetti made a mistake and Kruse simply took over with a blessing from the top.

As i previously said, im asking about the US organizations, not the Italian Masonic Mafia organizations. The Italians werent the first OC groups in the US and they werent the majority in the country. Theres definitely a difference. Theres a huge difference between Al Capone and Calogero Vizzini.

If the non-Italians were considered complete outsiders, then Lenny Patrick wasnt going to succeed in brinhing down part of the top ITALIAN leadership in Chicago, including the boss. Patrick knew everything regarding the hierarchy and inner workings. Now, Patrick was way below Alex, so can you imagine how much Alex knew about the US Mafia and was completely accepted by them?!

I have the same question as the first one here.

[Angelo Santino]

Operational. Soliai gives an edict that everyone, including the mods have to follow. If I refuse to follow it then it comes an organizational matter because Soliai has to decide whether or not to demote/ban me.

Organization just refers to the ranks and transgressions within them. It's black and white and very limited. It does not go into criminality.

In S5, Paulie and Feech get into the lawn wars and Tony steps in and makes a ruling. That's operational. He is dealing with an operational dispute within the bounderies of his territory. But when Feech kept pushing, Tony made the decision to get rid of him- that's organizational. But that's a bad example because had that happened in real life- setting up a member to go to prison- Tony would have been labeled a rat. Someone would have went to New York and Tony would have lost his recognition there. But you get the idea.

It's a pivot, both the org and the op go together and make the American mob the American mob.

[Villain]

Operational. Soliai gives an edict that everyone, including the mods have to follow. If I refuse to follow it then it comes an organizational matter because Soliai has to decide whether or not to demote/ban me.

Organization just refers to the ranks and transgressions within them. It's black and white and very limited. It does not go into criminality.

In S5, Paulie and Feech get into the lawn wars and Tony steps in and makes a ruling. That's operational. He is dealing with an operational dispute within the bounderies of his territory. But when Feech kept pushing, Tony made the decision to get rid of him- that's organizational. But that's a bad example because had that happened in real life- setting up a member to go to prison- Tony would have been labeled a rat. Someone would have went to New York and Tony would have lost his recognition there. But you get the idea.

It's a pivot, both the org and the op go together and make the American mob the American mob.

Thanks again and i agree, especially on the last part.

The base was/is always Italian but its different from Italy/Sicily out of obvious reasons, and as you already said this is what makes the American mob the American mob. If you take the Chicago Outfit as most "liberal" faction, even they were greatly surprised after hearing regarding Lansky being one time on the big table. Even the Rizzutos had a non-Ital in their inner circle right?

I also think that less tradition made the US Mob today a shadow of its former self, while the traditional Italian/European organizations are still alive and kicking.