Nicky Corozzo

[johnny_scootch]

It's funny, that there's a connection of Nicky Corozzo and Jackie D'Amico were intstramental in John Gambino regaining his Capo rank, Dom Cefalu was D'Amico's underboss, Cali originally came up in D'Amico's crew. And of course Jackie was a Gotti loyalist.

The whole 'Sicilian faction' thing is overblown imo. American born guys aren't seething because their boss was born in Sicily, there is no rivalry. They're all interconnected as you pointed out and to a much larger degree as a matter of fact. Cali is perfect example he was considered one of the top guys of the so called 'Sicilian faction' but he grew up in Bensonhurst and came up under Jackie D'Amico.

Disagree. You get a couple o zips fresh of the boat under lady liberty and contrast with a fifth gen 20 something ‘italian’ American, and they don’t even have grandma’s zitti in common. No diff? No such thing as zips? C’mon.
75% of ‘italian’ American kids these days can’t even speak the language. They’re going to eat at the same table as the 1st or 2nd gen? There’s no diff?

Think Pauli’s walnuts in Italy:
Paulie in the cafe ‘come stai!’
Locals “go fuck yourself’

When in doubt we turn to thee, Sopranos.

Sonny if you read what I wrote correctly you'd see I never said there was no difference or no such things as zips. I was implying that the whole factionalization of the family based on heritage is overblown. I used Frank Cali the so called leader of the faction when he was alive who was born here and came up under Jack D'Amico (who was also born here and is not even sicilian) as an example.

When in doubt which I'm not I don't look towards a fictionalized tv show for answers. I'm a third generation Italian American and can look towards personal experience. I have family that visits every summer from Catania and when I was younger and still lived at home my cousins who were close in age to me would sleep in my room and basically go everywhere with me. They'd hang out with me and my friends play baseball or whatever. When we got older they'd come with me to the clubs. If I was doing ecstasy at Limelight or Carbon so were they. They spoke much much more english than I spoke Italian but we communicated perfectly nonetheless. Now they lived and grew up in sicily so of course they were different from me but the more time you spend together the more you realize the differences are just on the surface. Now I'm not sure where you are from or how many zips fresh off the boat or even 5th generation Italians you come into contact with on a daily basis but I'm guessing it's not a lot. What I'm saying is these people aren't as different as you think. So can zips off the boat sit and eat with 3rd generation Italians like myself or 4th generation like my kids yes absolutely. The Italian culture is a wonderfully built bridge.

And my grandmothers recipes were her grandmothers recipes and they'll be my daughters recipes when she's ready.

[mafiastudent]

It's funny, that there's a connection of Nicky Corozzo and Jackie D'Amico were intstramental in John Gambino regaining his Capo rank, Dom Cefalu was D'Amico's underboss, Cali originally came up in D'Amico's crew. And of course Jackie was a Gotti loyalist.

The whole 'Sicilian faction' thing is overblown imo. American born guys aren't seething because their boss was born in Sicily, there is no rivalry. They're all interconnected as you pointed out and to a much larger degree as a matter of fact. Cali is perfect example he was considered one of the top guys of the so called 'Sicilian faction' but he grew up in Bensonhurst and came up under Jackie D'Amico.

Disagree. You get a couple o zips fresh of the boat under lady liberty and contrast with a fifth gen 20 something ‘italian’ American, and they don’t even have grandma’s zitti in common. No diff? No such thing as zips? C’mon.
75% of ‘italian’ American kids these days can’t even speak the language. They’re going to eat at the same table as the 1st or 2nd gen? There’s no diff?

Think Pauli’s walnuts in Italy:
Paulie in the cafe ‘come stai!’
Locals “go fuck yourself’

When in doubt we turn to thee, Sopranos.

Sonny if you read what I wrote correctly you'd see I never said there was no difference or no such things as zips. I was implying that the whole factionalization of the family based on heritage is overblown. I used Frank Cali the so called leader of the faction when he was alive who was born here and came up under Jack D'Amico (who was also born here and is not even sicilian) as an example.

When in doubt which I'm not I don't look towards a fictionalized tv show for answers. I'm a third generation Italian American and can look towards personal experience. I have family that visits every summer from Catania and when I was younger and still lived at home my cousins who were close in age to me would sleep in my room and basically go everywhere with me. They'd hang out with me and my friends play baseball or whatever. When we got older they'd come with me to the clubs. If I was doing ecstasy at Limelight or Carbon so were they. They spoke much much more english than I spoke Italian but we communicated perfectly nonetheless. Now they lived and grew up in sicily so of course they were different from me but the more time you spend together the more you realize the differences are just on the surface. Now I'm not sure where you are from or how many zips fresh off the boat or even 5th generation Italians you come into contact with on a daily basis but I'm guessing it's not a lot. What I'm saying is these people aren't as different as you think. So can zips off the boat sit and eat with 3rd generation Italians like myself or 4th generation like my kids yes absolutely. The Italian culture is a wonderfully built bridge.

And my grandmothers recipes were her grandmothers recipes and they'll be my daughters recipes when she's ready.

A round of applause for Johnny_Scootch. Well said.

[TommyGambino]

Wasn't cali originally under john gambino then damico took over that crew when gambino went away

[Frank]

Wasn't cali originally under john gambino then damico took over that crew when gambino went away

Yes. Also Cali got in trouble with Gotti Jr and I think Nicky Corozzo about money from the phone card scam. I think D'Amico told him what to do to get out of hot water and helped smooth things over.

[mafiastudent]

Wasn't cali originally under john gambino then damico took over that crew when gambino went away

Yes. Also Cali got in trouble with Gotti Jr and I think Nicky Corozzo about money from the phone card scam. I think D'Amico told him what to do to get out of hot water and helped smooth things over.

I thought he was under Dom Cefalu who was under D'Amico but was a nephew of Gambino through marriage?

[Moscone65]

It's funny, that there's a connection of Nicky Corozzo and Jackie D'Amico were intstramental in John Gambino regaining his Capo rank, Dom Cefalu was D'Amico's underboss, Cali originally came up in D'Amico's crew. And of course Jackie was a Gotti loyalist.

The whole 'Sicilian faction' thing is overblown imo. American born guys aren't seething because their boss was born in Sicily, there is no rivalry. They're all interconnected as you pointed out and to a much larger degree as a matter of fact. Cali is perfect example he was considered one of the top guys of the so called 'Sicilian faction' but he grew up in Bensonhurst and came up under Jackie D'Amico.

Disagree. You get a couple o zips fresh of the boat under lady liberty and contrast with a fifth gen 20 something ‘italian’ American, and they don’t even have grandma’s zitti in common. No diff? No such thing as zips? C’mon.
75% of ‘italian’ American kids these days can’t even speak the language. They’re going to eat at the same table as the 1st or 2nd gen? There’s no diff?

Think Pauli’s walnuts in Italy:
Paulie in the cafe ‘come stai!’
Locals “go fuck yourself’

When in doubt we turn to thee, Sopranos.

Sonny if you read what I wrote correctly you'd see I never said there was no difference or no such things as zips. I was implying that the whole factionalization of the family based on heritage is overblown. I used Frank Cali the so called leader of the faction when he was alive who was born here and came up under Jack D'Amico (who was also born here and is not even sicilian) as an example.

When in doubt which I'm not I don't look towards a fictionalized tv show for answers. I'm a third generation Italian American and can look towards personal experience. I have family that visits every summer from Catania and when I was younger and still lived at home my cousins who were close in age to me would sleep in my room and basically go everywhere with me. They'd hang out with me and my friends play baseball or whatever. When we got older they'd come with me to the clubs. If I was doing ecstasy at Limelight or Carbon so were they. They spoke much much more english than I spoke Italian but we communicated perfectly nonetheless. Now they lived and grew up in sicily so of course they were different from me but the more time you spend together the more you realize the differences are just on the surface. Now I'm not sure where you are from or how many zips fresh off the boat or even 5th generation Italians you come into contact with on a daily basis but I'm guessing it's not a lot. What I'm saying is these people aren't as different as you think. So can zips off the boat sit and eat with 3rd generation Italians like myself or 4th generation like my kids yes absolutely. The Italian culture is a wonderfully built bridge.

And my grandmothers recipes were her grandmothers recipes and they'll be my daughters recipes when she's ready.

Well said

[Frank]

My original understanding was in line with what Capeci was saying, i.e. that Corozzo was set to replace Gotti Sr. as official boss before his indictment in 1996.

Obviously other sources seem to suggest it was for the acting boss position, i.e. to replace Gotti Jr. as acting boss.


I did a search and this is what Alite said in his book -


Just months after Gotti Sr.'s conviction, a plot to kill Gotti Jr. was planned by the imprisoned John Carneglia (who believed the Gotti's had robbed him of money owed to him on the street), Charles Carneglia, Nick Corozzo and Danny Marino. They approached Alite about helping set Junior up and, his relationship with Junior on the skids by then, he agreed. Alite said at one point Nick Corozzo decided to "trade bullets for dollars" by sending his nephew to visit Gotti Sr. in prison and deliver a message - "We can't protect Junior on the streets. He's got to slide over or he's going to be killed." Gotti Sr. got the message and worked out a deal where he funneled several hundred thousand dollars to Corozzo, thus ending Corozzo's involvement in the plot. Alite said Charles Carneglia "sold out for a lot less" when Carmine Agnello agreed to put him on the payroll of an auto salvage yard he owned. Later on, in 2006, there was supposedly another plot to kill Junior. The Gambinos believed he "had millions stashed away" and couldn't do a long prison stretch. In fact, they thought he may already be cooperating and didn't like how he had been acting and his claims of "leaving" the mob. Members of the "Howard Beach Crew" met with Sonny Franzese who gave his approval to have Junior killed.



The time line may be key here. Alite said above that it happened months after Gotti Sr's conviction in 1992. It wasn't until 1996 that Corozzo was supposedly set to replace Gotti Sr.

Also if you recall didonato said corozzo was planning to hit junior, when there’s smoke there’s fire. Most likely his periods of incarceration were the only things that stopped Nicky from making a power play

I'm not sure where Corozzo stood on hitting Gotti Jr, since he got word to Gotti Sr about what was going on. We know Jr tried to kill Danny Marino, and doesn't Marino's name come up in a couple of plots to kill Sr and Jr. Marino was not a Gotti supporter in the Big Paulie hit. Not sure where Corozzo Bros fit in when Paulie was killed.

[johnny_scootch]

Wasn't cali originally under john gambino then damico took over that crew when gambino went away

Actually you’re right tommy. Cali couldn’t have come up under D’Amico. I remember Mikey Scars said D’Amico had no idea where 18th Ave even was. I was confusing the fact that D’Amico pushed for Cali to get made and also put him in as Capo while D’Amico was on the panel or acting boss I forget which one. After D’Amico took over the 18th Ave crew is when he came into contact with Cali and took a shine to him.

[Frank]

Wasn't cali originally under john gambino then damico took over that crew when gambino went away

Actually you’re right tommy. Cali couldn’t have come up under D’Amico. I remember Mikey Scars said D’Amico had no idea where 18th Ave even was. I was confusing the fact that D’Amico pushed for Cali to get made and also put him in as Capo while D’Amico was on the panel or acting boss I forget which one. After D’Amico took over the 18th Ave crew is when he came into contact with Cali and took a shine to him.

Even though technically he originally came up under Gambino, but after Gambino went to jail, it was D'Amico who greatly influenced his career. So he came up under both plus Scars.

[Wiseguy]

I'm not sure where Corozzo stood on hitting Gotti Jr, since he got word to Gotti Sr about what was going on. We know Jr tried to kill Danny Marino, and doesn't Marino's name come up in a couple of plots to kill Sr and Jr. Marino was not a Gotti supporter in the Big Paulie hit. Not sure where Corozzo Bros fit in when Paulie was killed.

The Corozzo crew held Junior in contempt. DiDonato said they would refer to him as "Baby Huey." The message sent to Gotti Sr. was a warning and he understood the threat was from the Corozzo crew.

[B.]

I'm mainly curious about the extent of Corrozzo's presence/influence in New Jersey. Stefanelli was a longtime Newark figure reporting to the Corozzo crew after he was made and cooperated, and Corozzo had also gotten close to NJ associate/cooperator Vollaro though that was apparently a prison connection. We were talking recently about how Philly Newark captain Joe Licata was recorded speculating how the release of the Corozzo brothers and DiMaria would impact the Gambino power structure, which might not have anything to do with Corozzo's presence in NJ but at least shows that his influence made its way into NJ gossip.

It's not uncommon for NYC-based crews to have members/associates living and even operating in NJ, but the Corozzo crew doesn't have much of a history there that I know. Would be curious if other NJ members were assigned to that crew or if the Stefanelli and Vollaro situations were exceptions. Hopefully more of Stefanelli's information eventually becomes public despite the "complications" attached to it.

[Wiseguy]

I'm mainly curious about the extent of Corrozzo's presence/influence in New Jersey. Stefanelli was a longtime Newark figure reporting to the Corozzo crew after he was made and cooperated, and Corozzo had also gotten close to NJ associate/cooperator Vollaro though that was apparently a prison connection. We were talking recently about how Philly Newark captain Joe Licata was recorded speculating how the release of the Corozzo brothers and DiMaria would impact the Gambino power structure, which might not have anything to do with Corozzo's presence in NJ but at least shows that his influence made its way into NJ gossip.

It's not uncommon for NYC-based crews to have members/associates living and even operating in NJ, but the Corozzo crew doesn't have much of a history there that I know. Would be curious if other NJ members were assigned to that crew or if the Stefanelli and Vollaro situations were exceptions. Hopefully more of Stefanelli's information eventually becomes public despite the "complications" attached to it.

From what I can tell, the Corozzo is mainly a Brooklyn and Queens crew. Very little presence in Jersey.

In fact it may now be to the point where, when it comes to New Jersey, the only New York families that have actual crews based in the state are the Genovese and Lucchese families; and the latter only has one. One recent news report said the Gambinos and Bonannos have a presence (i.e. some members operating) there but seemed to differentiate between the other two families who have crews there. Of course, the Colombos weren't mentioned at all.

[Pete]

My original understanding was in line with what Capeci was saying, i.e. that Corozzo was set to replace Gotti Sr. as official boss before his indictment in 1996.

Obviously other sources seem to suggest it was for the acting boss position, i.e. to replace Gotti Jr. as acting boss.


I did a search and this is what Alite said in his book -


Just months after Gotti Sr.'s conviction, a plot to kill Gotti Jr. was planned by the imprisoned John Carneglia (who believed the Gotti's had robbed him of money owed to him on the street), Charles Carneglia, Nick Corozzo and Danny Marino. They approached Alite about helping set Junior up and, his relationship with Junior on the skids by then, he agreed. Alite said at one point Nick Corozzo decided to "trade bullets for dollars" by sending his nephew to visit Gotti Sr. in prison and deliver a message - "We can't protect Junior on the streets. He's got to slide over or he's going to be killed." Gotti Sr. got the message and worked out a deal where he funneled several hundred thousand dollars to Corozzo, thus ending Corozzo's involvement in the plot. Alite said Charles Carneglia "sold out for a lot less" when Carmine Agnello agreed to put him on the payroll of an auto salvage yard he owned. Later on, in 2006, there was supposedly another plot to kill Junior. The Gambinos believed he "had millions stashed away" and couldn't do a long prison stretch. In fact, they thought he may already be cooperating and didn't like how he had been acting and his claims of "leaving" the mob. Members of the "Howard Beach Crew" met with Sonny Franzese who gave his approval to have Junior killed.



The time line may be key here. Alite said above that it happened months after Gotti Sr's conviction in 1992. It wasn't until 1996 that Corozzo was supposedly set to replace Gotti Sr.

Also if you recall didonato said corozzo was planning to hit junior, when there’s smoke there’s fire. Most likely his periods of incarceration were the only things that stopped Nicky from making a power play

I'm not sure where Corozzo stood on hitting Gotti Jr, since he got word to Gotti Sr about what was going on. We know Jr tried to kill Danny Marino, and doesn't Marino's name come up in a couple of plots to kill Sr and Jr. Marino was not a Gotti supporter in the Big Paulie hit. Not sure where Corozzo Bros fit in when Paulie was killed.

Marino was involved with the luccheses in the hit on gotti that killed DeCicco. It was supposed to be both of them killed and failla and Marino were gonna be boss and underboss.

[Frank]

I'm not sure where Corozzo stood on hitting Gotti Jr, since he got word to Gotti Sr about what was going on. We know Jr tried to kill Danny Marino, and doesn't Marino's name come up in a couple of plots to kill Sr and Jr. Marino was not a Gotti supporter in the Big Paulie hit. Not sure where Corozzo Bros fit in when Paulie was killed.

The Corozzo crew held Junior in contempt. DiDonato said they would refer to him as "Baby Huey." The message sent to Gotti Sr. was a warning and he understood the threat was from the Corozzo crew.

Ok thanks. Never heard of DiDonato. Did he say what year the warning was? Do you think there was 2 separate plots to possibly kill Jr.?

[Frank]

My original understanding was in line with what Capeci was saying, i.e. that Corozzo was set to replace Gotti Sr. as official boss before his indictment in 1996.

Obviously other sources seem to suggest it was for the acting boss position, i.e. to replace Gotti Jr. as acting boss.


I did a search and this is what Alite said in his book -


Just months after Gotti Sr.'s conviction, a plot to kill Gotti Jr. was planned by the imprisoned John Carneglia (who believed the Gotti's had robbed him of money owed to him on the street), Charles Carneglia, Nick Corozzo and Danny Marino. They approached Alite about helping set Junior up and, his relationship with Junior on the skids by then, he agreed. Alite said at one point Nick Corozzo decided to "trade bullets for dollars" by sending his nephew to visit Gotti Sr. in prison and deliver a message - "We can't protect Junior on the streets. He's got to slide over or he's going to be killed." Gotti Sr. got the message and worked out a deal where he funneled several hundred thousand dollars to Corozzo, thus ending Corozzo's involvement in the plot. Alite said Charles Carneglia "sold out for a lot less" when Carmine Agnello agreed to put him on the payroll of an auto salvage yard he owned. Later on, in 2006, there was supposedly another plot to kill Junior. The Gambinos believed he "had millions stashed away" and couldn't do a long prison stretch. In fact, they thought he may already be cooperating and didn't like how he had been acting and his claims of "leaving" the mob. Members of the "Howard Beach Crew" met with Sonny Franzese who gave his approval to have Junior killed.



The time line may be key here. Alite said above that it happened months after Gotti Sr's conviction in 1992. It wasn't until 1996 that Corozzo was supposedly set to replace Gotti Sr.

Also if you recall didonato said corozzo was planning to hit junior, when there’s smoke there’s fire. Most likely his periods of incarceration were the only things that stopped Nicky from making a power play

I'm not sure where Corozzo stood on hitting Gotti Jr, since he got word to Gotti Sr about what was going on. We know Jr tried to kill Danny Marino, and doesn't Marino's name come up in a couple of plots to kill Sr and Jr. Marino was not a Gotti supporter in the Big Paulie hit. Not sure where Corozzo Bros fit in when Paulie was killed.

Marino was involved with the luccheses in the hit on gotti that killed DeCicco. It was supposed to be both of them killed and failla and Marino were gonna be boss and underboss.

Ok thanks. Wasn't The Chin involved in this hit, ordered it?