“The mafia is dead”

[Rat]

Even though these gangs have 10-20,000 members they aren’t organized. These members usually just fight with each other and even then there is no national organization. 18 street in Cali isn’t communicating with 18 street in New Jersey. MS13 in New Mexico isn’t organizing with MS13 in North Carolina.

Just because these gangs have numbers and are all under one banner doesn’t mean they work together. Most just stick to their set of 10-30 guys and after that it’s fuck everyone else

[bert]

Even though these gangs have 10-20,000 members they aren’t organized. These members usually just fight with each other and even then there is no national organization. 18 street in Cali isn’t communicating with 18 street in New Jersey. MS13 in New Mexico isn’t organizing with MS13 in North Carolina.

Just because these gangs have numbers and are all under one banner doesn’t mean they work together. Most just stick to their set of 10-30 guys and after that it’s fuck everyone else

One link had a gang with 15,000 members. The gangs listed stretch from Mexico to New York, some go though the south all the way up to New York or Virginia, and one works with the Chinese to import millions in drugs. But they are nothing if they are not recognized by people on this site who dismiss them.

[gohnjotti]

Even though these gangs have 10-20,000 members they aren’t organized. These members usually just fight with each other and even then there is no national organization. 18 street in Cali isn’t communicating with 18 street in New Jersey. MS13 in New Mexico isn’t organizing with MS13 in North Carolina.

Just because these gangs have numbers and are all under one banner doesn’t mean they work together. Most just stick to their set of 10-30 guys and after that it’s fuck everyone else

One link had a gang with 15,000 members. The gangs listed stretch from Mexico to New York, some go though the south all the way up to New York or Virginia, and one works with the Chinese to import millions in drugs. But they are nothing if they are not recognized by people on this site who dismiss them.

Nobody is denying the gangs are powerful, the argument is over whether they have surpassed the Mafia and pushed the Mafia out in terms of strength and influence.

[Confederate]

Even though these gangs have 10-20,000 members they aren’t organized. These members usually just fight with each other and even then there is no national organization. 18 street in Cali isn’t communicating with 18 street in New Jersey. MS13 in New Mexico isn’t organizing with MS13 in North Carolina.
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Just because these gangs have numbers and are all under one banner doesn’t mean they work together. Most just stick to their set of 10-30 guys and after that it’s fuck everyone else

Correct. For example,at least with the black gangs, according to crime statistics released by gang units in LE that I have read, more Crips are killed by other Crips than by Bloods. It's one little "Set" of guys in one neighborhood against another little "Set" in another neighborhood. The "banner name" used doesn't mean anything.

[Angelo Santino]

Even though these gangs have 10-20,000 members they aren’t organized. These members usually just fight with each other and even then there is no national organization. 18 street in Cali isn’t communicating with 18 street in New Jersey. MS13 in New Mexico isn’t organizing with MS13 in North Carolina.

Just because these gangs have numbers and are all under one banner doesn’t mean they work together. Most just stick to their set of 10-30 guys and after that it’s fuck everyone else

One link had a gang with 15,000 members. The gangs listed stretch from Mexico to New York, some go though the south all the way up to New York or Virginia, and one works with the Chinese to import millions in drugs. But they are nothing if they are not recognized by people on this site who dismiss them.

Nobody is denying the gangs are powerful, the argument is over whether they have surpassed the Mafia and pushed the Mafia out in terms of strength and influence.

It's such an apples and oranges argument, criminal entities are not equal and never were. Some come from totally different cultures and backgrounds and their view of gangsterism varies greatly. We need to break it down by specific category of what we consider power: cash on hand, number of members, number of active members connections, links to legitimate income, links to other groups etc. And I guarantee you no group is going to outrank all the others in every thing.

If I needed green or anything more serious I'd look to Carribeans and Latinos, I wouldn't look to them to launder money. If I was looking to place a bet I'd go to a Jew or an Italian, I wouldn't go to them for illegal political donations. And so on. And it's not a black and white issue, there are Latino money launderers and politically connected Italians but they are few and far in between.

Can you count, suckaz? I say, the future, is ours... if you can count! Now, look what we have here before us. You got the Saracens sitting next to the Jones Street Boys. We've got the Moonrunners right by the Van Cortlandt Rangers. Nobody is wasting nobody. That... is a miracle. And miracles is the way things ought to be. You're standing right now with nine delegates from 100 gangs. And there's over a hundred more. That's 20,000 hardcore members. Forty-thousand, counting affiliates, and twenty-thousand more, not organized, but ready to fight: 60,000 soldiers! Now, there ain't but 20,000 police in the whole town.

Can you dig it? Can you dig it? Caaaaan youuuuuuuu digggggggitttt?!

[Rat]

Even though these gangs have 10-20,000 members they aren’t organized. These members usually just fight with each other and even then there is no national organization. 18 street in Cali isn’t communicating with 18 street in New Jersey. MS13 in New Mexico isn’t organizing with MS13 in North Carolina.

Just because these gangs have numbers and are all under one banner doesn’t mean they work together. Most just stick to their set of 10-30 guys and after that it’s fuck everyone else

One link had a gang with 15,000 members. The gangs listed stretch from Mexico to New York, some go though the south all the way up to New York or Virginia, and one works with the Chinese to import millions in drugs. But they are nothing if they are not recognized by people on this site who dismiss them.

You fail to understand how these gangs operate. Those 15,000 members they do not organize together they do not work together they do not like eachother. Certain sets of this gang have connects back to Mexico but a gang is not one organization. A gang is more of a banner like "theblackhandforum." We all come here to talk about the mob and think this is the best place to talk about the mob, we even have certain members with more pull across the site than others but clearly we do not all get along, the majority of us have frequent disagreements. But just because we're all on Theblackhandclub doesn't mean we all are working together. These gangs are comprised of thousands of sets who all have a similar ideology and rules but DO NOT ALL GET ALONG AND DO NOT ORGANIZE AS A WHOLE. SUR13 in NY is rarely working with other SUR13 in New York, 18th street in New York is rarely working with 18th street in New York.

These gangs fight eachother more than work together.

[Rat]

12 guys who buy drugs from a Colombian then go stand around on a corner selling it under the banner of a group with 10,000 guys who they don't know or care about.

Is not the same as the Five Families who are very very organized.

You can just look at the ages of most gang members vs most mob guys. Most gang members get recruited from the age of 11-15 then are out of the gang life or in jail/dead by their 20s. The leaders of these gangs you say are more powerful than the mob are younger than most college students.

You look at LCN? This is an organization most of these members are in for life. These LCN guys are making money from multiple sources not just drugs.

[scagghiuni]

One link had a gang with 15,000 members. The gangs listed stretch from Mexico to New York, some go though the south all the way up to New York or Virginia, and one works with the Chinese to import millions in drugs. But they are nothing if they are not recognized by people on this site who dismiss them.

even if they have thousands members they are not a single criminal group, they are just under a generic 'flag', latin kings and ms-13 opened so called chapters even in europe, they are mostly 16 years old who smoke weed in the parks lol this is the level of seriousness and organization of this kind of gangs...anyway you can't compare the membership of all gangs togheter wirh the mafia, even because le distinguishes between made mebers and associates, even active and not active when ti comes to the mob, for the gangs they don't do it

[Wiseguy]

Can you count, suckaz? I say, the future, is ours... if you can count! Now, look what we have here before us. You got the Saracens sitting next to the Jones Street Boys. We've got the Moonrunners right by the Van Cortlandt Rangers. Nobody is wasting nobody. That... is a miracle. And miracles is the way things ought to be. You're standing right now with nine delegates from 100 gangs. And there's over a hundred more. That's 20,000 hardcore members. Forty-thousand, counting affiliates, and twenty-thousand more, not organized, but ready to fight: 60,000 soldiers! Now, there ain't but 20,000 police in the whole town.

Can you dig it? Can you dig it? Caaaaan youuuuuuuu digggggggitttt?!

Warriors! Coooome out to plaaaaay!

[bert]

12 guys who buy drugs from a Colombian then go stand around on a corner selling it under the banner of a group with 10,000 guys who they don't know or care about.

Is not the same as the Five Families who are very very organized.

You can just look at the ages of most gang members vs most mob guys. Most gang members get recruited from the age of 11-15 then are out of the gang life or in jail/dead by their 20s. The leaders of these gangs you say are more powerful than the mob are younger than most college students.

You look at LCN? This is an organization most of these members are in for life. These LCN guys are making money from multiple sources not just drugs.

Them being young makes them stronger and more dangerous, most LCN guys are over 50, many are over 70. These gangs are in it for life, and they have the power to set up across multiple states. That is not a bunch of harmless 11-15 year olds doing that. The Mexican gang working with what the story called "Chinese Mafia" operating out of China to send 2 million dollars in Fentanyl to America is a serious organization.

[slimshady_007]

Recently Ms 13 has tried to organize itself by bringing cliques under one “program” of sorts and also by having members taking orders from bosses in El Salvador. Still however, there not as organized as lcn. Lcn is a whole different ballgame compared to street gangs like 18th street and ms 13. The people in the mafia r there to make money illegally, while ms 13 and 18th street’s main priority is to control territory and to be the most feared gang.

[UTC]

And they were 100% started, and still dominated, by illegals. They are the sum of the earth, along with Somalians. They should be hunted down by the army and killed wherever they are found.

[bert]

Climent put this up on GBB site

https://www.insightcrime.org/news/analy ... ug-demand/

[Lupara]

Why do we need to give credentials to someone of another forum posting a public article that isn't his? I never got that. Only give credit when credit is due.

Thanks for sharing though!

[slimshady_007]

Climent put this up on GBB site

https://www.insightcrime.org/news/analy ... ug-demand/

GBB is a joke. Not helpin ur point at all.