Luchese trial thread

[willychichi]

Hey guys lets stay on topic here. If you want to discuss race and racism start a thread in the general section. Thanks

[Ivan]

Okay, I'll shut up. Sorry I deviated like; it was pretty out of character for me and I won't do it again.

[slimshady_007]

Since we r back on topic, ya think Londonio or Caldwell will flip?

[Nicholas]

the gatekeepers of the middle class (college professors and whatnot)

Jesus Christ, this quote is spot fucking on

[Snakes]

Next off topic post and this thread is closed.

[JeremyTheJew]

I am shocked that the Black shooter didn't flip on these crackers yet?? (Footnote: its still politically correct to use Ethnic Slurs towards whites just can't do it to minorities...lol)

as for Madonna, yes he supplied Nicky Barnes. who was the biggest black dealer possibly ever in NYC. before he got his heroin from Madonna he said he was in prison with Joey Gallo who was the one who really taught him about organization and the mafia structure that Barnes eventually set up.

For what it's worth, Madonna seemed to be one of several moving "h" in those days to be a connect for the Barnes outfit. Guys working with Jimmy Caserta, Lew Cirillo and "The Mexican" were said to have dealt with Nicky's people. "Frank Matthews" was bigger than Nicky. It was only at the end during all his legal problems when the NY Times put Nicky on the cover that Nicky became notorious. The guys Nicky partnered with fucked his woman and ripped off his stash. Nobody fucked with or ever managed to catch "Frank Matthews."

So when asians get ahead it’s from hard work but when white people get ahead it’s because of racism.

Gotcha.

Who would you rather get a happy ending from?

Food for thought,
JIGGS

was Frank Matthews half Puerto Rican?? and he was from Harlem as well??

did the street know who he was back then?? and also, what was it like in NYC during like the crack epidmic?? was the "black mafia" rival LCN at all?? I know crack came a little after the height of the black mafia types like Frank Lucas, Barnes and Matthews

I know they never really compared.... but they sure thought they did... several black mafia classics.... such as

black ceaser, across 110th, hell up in Harlem, few others. they made tons and tons of them! and they all near the mafia in the end.... that has to frustrate them.

even new jack city showed that

[newera_212]

Since we r back on topic, ya think Londonio or Caldwell will flip?

I dont think so, but last week's GL threw a curveball into the situation.

anyone know what Patty Maiorino's situation is? i know some people on here are capable of checking to see where prisoners are located. its pure pure pure speculation but maybe it was him who gave that false confession? he was popped with Londonio and the guns, mistakenly IDed as his mob superior, and we know there was some general back-and-forth tiffs with Meldish and guys in the Bronx Bonnanos and Bronx Luccheses. The guns were a state charge and then all of a sudden the feds picked it up (and then indicted Londonio for the murder).

i dont know. the whole thing seems real strange and I do not think we're getting the full story - it doesnt seem as cut and dry as Londonio & Caldwell hitting Meldish and that's that...

[JIGGS]

was Frank Matthews half Puerto Rican?? and he was from Harlem as well??

As far as I could tell he was Black U.S. American. If he was anything else in between I wouldn't know. His operation was in Harlem, Brooklyn, Bronx, Long Island, Lower Manhattan (East Side). Newark definitely. It was really all across the eastern seaboard. I guess you could say the same "map" attributed to Nicky later on was what Matthews had earlier.

did the street know who he was back then??

If by the "street" you mean cosa nostra, again, I wouldn't know something like that. But anybody outside of it or were on the fringes but not necessarily on record with anyone knew. He went back to the 1960s around the area where city college is today. He had all of 145th street lock, stock and barrel. That film about Lucas being on the same level or above the mob was total bullshit. Lucas barely above some of the moulinyan and especially the spanish who really had their own network up there. They made him way too big. He was one of many drug lords of that era. The fact he had nothing to show for it when he got out should tell anyone what they need to know about Lucas. I can't remember his name for the life of me but this one black that used to do work or kick up to 116 was just as big. He was more visible this guy than Lucas. On the street I mean. At one point he had a place in the trump tower building on 5th. This guy was a prison guy. He'd fuck you on a street corner just for looking at him sideways. It'll come to me but right now I can't remember his name.

also, what was it like in NYC during like the crack epidmic??

I can only speak for the east side of harlem. Basically it came on the heels of the smack epidemic. There's this fantasy being narrated that Coke replaced H and then crack came along. Not from where I was standing. Maybe coke was big among the uppity ups but in the ghettos it was H all day and everyday. Honestly I didn't see anyone go near coke until they made it cheaper by smoking it. One mental picture I'll never forget was seeing this long line that extended into the next avenue. It reminded me of those old newsreels that were screened that captured the depression. The bread, coffee and soup lines. Only these animals weren't on line for no bread or no soup. They were literally standing on line to get what was then considered a "bundle." In layman terms that equaled 30 bottles or vials at $5 bucks a pop. But then some puerto rican fucks got greedy and lowered it to $3. Then to $2. That pretty much upset the order of things over there and resulted in a lot of gun play. So now a base head could get 2 and a half bundles for the price of 1 and drove up the demand. It was extra work I assume but the revenue made up for it.

One thing I noticed that crack brought with it was a younger breed of street punk. Back in the day you never saw kids moving H. But with crack? Because it was cheaper retail and wholesale made guys millionaires any dummy could buy a bundle, take it to the rubes or prep school kids and charge them a higher rate, you had kids that must of been around 14, 15 driving around in fancy cars with the lights underneath, the thousand or so Mr. T. style "rope chain," glow in the dark sneakers, you name it. And the city wasn't doing jack shit about it. Those assholes came up with a joke of a strategy called the TNT inutiative. Which was basically 5-7 white guys in a van everybody knew was LE and stayed on a corner for 2 days just watching the buying and selling and pounce on that corner. Next day they went to the next block, and the corner they had pounced on was back up and running like it was nothing. Bottomline, everything was about crack. Everything. Coke wasn't being sold as coke anymore. It was all "crack". Again I'm talking about if you were a city dweller living in an apartment in an area full of poor people that's what impacted. The "Pizza connection" didn't make much of a dent on the "crack wars."

was the "black mafia" rival LCN at all?? I know crack came a little after the height of the black mafia types like Frank Lucas, Barnes and Matthews

Let me tell you something buddy about the Black mafia. And this is no lie. The only Black mafia that ever existed was Al Sharpton and the rainbow coalition. It's those guys. The NACP. The Cosby Kids. Jesse. All them fucks. The poverty pimpers. Its those guys who were "organized." They had the feds backing them and giving them millions to fight poverty. The 501Cers. It was all bullshit. They're the ONLY ones who could sit at the table with a guy like Dinapoli. Clayton Powell was getting a piece of the ghetto numbers and pressuring NYPD to go after Jimmy Nap and Fat Tony and saying the moulinyan were being unfairly targeted. That's the Black mafia. Fucking Rangel and Ben Ward. These other guys? Nicky Barnes? Frank Lucas? Never in a million years did they ever rival LCN at any point. LCN has staying power. You lock up John Gotti today, tomorrow there's six guys running the family, or he's calling the shots through a pimp lawyer. You lock up Frankie Lucas and the rest of the Cosby kids and that's it. That's all she wrote. You never hear from them again. Except in those tv shows narrated by what's his name from those All State commercials. You know what All State is? That's insurance in America.

I know they never really compared.... but they sure thought they did... several black mafia classics.... such as

black ceaser, across 110th, hell up in Harlem, few others. they made tons and tons of them! and they all near the mafia in the end.... that has to frustrate them.

even new jack city showed that

What have I been saying all along? It's all bullshit. It's a fantasy. Melvin Von Peebles was a crackhead before it became an epidemic. Shaft, Super Fly, all those cartoon characters. They wasn't a pimple on Bumpy Johnson's ass much less a made guy. I mean I'm talking reality. To a square citizen like myself, they were a concern because they might mug my White ass. I got hit more than 3 times (I'm living proof white privilege don't exist!) Or you might get stabbed in the bathroom. Not in jail but in the lone bathroom that's available in the whole building. (The old days). But these guys making a run for the belt? The kings of new york? Over LCN? I don't mean to be too disparaging but, quite frankly, they make the modern day Colombos look like a Suncruz luxury aquasino yacht in comparison. And again, to keep things fair and impartial, about the only place in the entire world where the blacks would be able to challenge LCN, is in the joint. For obvious reasons, right? The rules are completely different in there. Like an old buddy of mine once said after I expressed not wanting to sit at a table with "The Black Mafia" (lol).

"Hey pal, we're all ######s now."

JIGGS

[JeremyTheJew]

was Frank Matthews half Puerto Rican?? and he was from Harlem as well??

As far as I could tell he was Black U.S. American. If he was anything else in between I wouldn't know. His operation was in Harlem, Brooklyn, Bronx, Long Island, Lower Manhattan (East Side). Newark definitely. It was really all across the eastern seaboard. I guess you could say the same "map" attributed to Nicky later on was what Matthews had earlier.

did the street know who he was back then??

If by the "street" you mean cosa nostra, again, I wouldn't know something like that. But anybody outside of it or were on the fringes but not necessarily on record with anyone knew. He went back to the 1960s around the area where city college is today. He had all of 145th street lock, stock and barrel. That film about Lucas being on the same level or above the mob was total bullshit. Lucas barely above some of the moulinyan and especially the spanish who really had their own network up there. They made him way too big. He was one of many drug lords of that era. The fact he had nothing to show for it when he got out should tell anyone what they need to know about Lucas. I can't remember his name for the life of me but this one black that used to do work or kick up to 116 was just as big. He was more visible this guy than Lucas. On the street I mean. At one point he had a place in the trump tower building on 5th. This guy was a prison guy. He'd fuck you on a street corner just for looking at him sideways. It'll come to me but right now I can't remember his name.

also, what was it like in NYC during like the crack epidmic??

I can only speak for the east side of harlem. Basically it came on the heels of the smack epidemic. There's this fantasy being narrated that Coke replaced H and then crack came along. Not from where I was standing. Maybe coke was big among the uppity ups but in the ghettos it was H all day and everyday. Honestly I didn't see anyone go near coke until they made it cheaper by smoking it. One mental picture I'll never forget was seeing this long line that extended into the next avenue. It reminded me of those old newsreels that were screened that captured the depression. The bread, coffee and soup lines. Only these animals weren't on line for no bread or no soup. They were literally standing on line to get what was then considered a "bundle." In layman terms that equaled 30 bottles or vials at $5 bucks a pop. But then some puerto rican fucks got greedy and lowered it to $3. Then to $2. That pretty much upset the order of things over there and resulted in a lot of gun play. So now a base head could get 2 and a half bundles for the price of 1 and drove up the demand. It was extra work I assume but the revenue made up for it.

One thing I noticed that crack brought with it was a younger breed of street punk. Back in the day you never saw kids moving H. But with crack? Because it was cheaper retail and wholesale made guys millionaires any dummy could buy a bundle, take it to the rubes or prep school kids and charge them a higher rate, you had kids that must of been around 14, 15 driving around in fancy cars with the lights underneath, the thousand or so Mr. T. style "rope chain," glow in the dark sneakers, you name it. And the city wasn't doing jack shit about it. Those assholes came up with a joke of a strategy called the TNT inutiative. Which was basically 5-7 white guys in a van everybody knew was LE and stayed on a corner for 2 days just watching the buying and selling and pounce on that corner. Next day they went to the next block, and the corner they had pounced on was back up and running like it was nothing. Bottomline, everything was about crack. Everything. Coke wasn't being sold as coke anymore. It was all "crack". Again I'm talking about if you were a city dweller living in an apartment in an area full of poor people that's what impacted. The "Pizza connection" didn't make much of a dent on the "crack wars."

was the "black mafia" rival LCN at all?? I know crack came a little after the height of the black mafia types like Frank Lucas, Barnes and Matthews

Let me tell you something buddy about the Black mafia. And this is no lie. The only Black mafia that ever existed was Al Sharpton and the rainbow coalition. It's those guys. The NACP. The Cosby Kids. Jesse. All them fucks. The poverty pimpers. Its those guys who were "organized." They had the feds backing them and giving them millions to fight poverty. The 501Cers. It was all bullshit. They're the ONLY ones who could sit at the table with a guy like Dinapoli. Clayton Powell was getting a piece of the ghetto numbers and pressuring NYPD to go after Jimmy Nap and Fat Tony and saying the moulinyan were being unfairly targeted. That's the Black mafia. Fucking Rangel and Ben Ward. These other guys? Nicky Barnes? Frank Lucas? Never in a million years did they ever rival LCN at any point. LCN has staying power. You lock up John Gotti today, tomorrow there's six guys running the family, or he's calling the shots through a pimp lawyer. You lock up Frankie Lucas and the rest of the Cosby kids and that's it. That's all she wrote. You never hear from them again. Except in those tv shows narrated by what's his name from those All State commercials. You know what All State is? That's insurance in America.

I know they never really compared.... but they sure thought they did... several black mafia classics.... such as

black ceaser, across 110th, hell up in Harlem, few others. they made tons and tons of them! and they all near the mafia in the end.... that has to frustrate them.

even new jack city showed that

What have I been saying all along? It's all bullshit. It's a fantasy. Melvin Von Peebles was a crackhead before it became an epidemic. Shaft, Super Fly, all those cartoon characters. They wasn't a pimple on Bumpy Johnson's ass much less a made guy. I mean I'm talking reality. To a square citizen like myself, they were a concern because they might mug my White ass. I got hit more than 3 times (I'm living proof white privilege don't exist!) Or you might get stabbed in the bathroom. Not in jail but in the lone bathroom that's available in the whole building. (The old days). But these guys making a run for the belt? The kings of new york? Over LCN? I don't mean to be too disparaging but, quite frankly, they make the modern day Colombos look like a Suncruz luxury aquasino yacht in comparison. And again, to keep things fair and impartial, about the only place in the entire world where the blacks would be able to challenge LCN, is in the joint. For obvious reasons, right? The rules are completely different in there. Like an old buddy of mine once said after I expressed not wanting to sit at a table with "The Black Mafia" (lol).

"Hey pal, we're all ######s now."

JIGGS

I PMed you about places I stayed at that others won't find interesting.

also the soup line - back in the day it was common for these drug lines. starting w heroin. there would be single file line waitin for the dope as they would yell out stamp names.

and it was a normal thing. police would pass by at times...

LES as well. (which is where i was all the time. )

[JIGGS]

Holy. You're a NY guy. Why did I think you were from Europe?

On another and more on topic related to this thread, I don't buy the government's version about Londonio and Caldwell. Especially Caldwell getting into a car with Meldisch. No way Mike let's a known hitter sit in the front seat with him. I tend to believe the C.I. who recanted and blamed it on someone else. Unless they get a really good deal, which I doubt with murder attached, if I'm the Creas I'd roll the dice. What have they got to lose. The younger Crea might be able to afford a plea and MAYBE get 20. But Crea Sr? He's screwed either way. A plea deal or a conviction. He should fight it. This case sounds shaky to me as being a matter of the hierarchy being involved. To hit Michael Meldisch?

[JIGGS]

Holy. You're a NY guy. Why did I think you were from Europe?

On another and more on topic related to this thread, I don't buy the government's version about Londonio and Caldwell. Especially Caldwell getting into a car with Meldisch. No way Mike let's a known hitter sit in the front seat with him. I tend to believe the C.I. who recanted and blamed it on someone else. Unless they get a really good deal, which I doubt with murder attached, if I'm the Creas I'd roll the dice. What have they got to lose. The younger Crea might be able to afford a plea and MAYBE get 20. But Crea Sr? He's screwed either way. A plea deal or a conviction. He should fight it. This case sounds shaky to me as being a matter of the hierarchy being involved. To hit Michael Meldisch?

JIGGS

[gohnjotti]

Holy. You're a NY guy. Why did I think you were from Europe?

On another and more on topic related to this thread, I don't buy the government's version about Londonio and Caldwell. Especially Caldwell getting into a car with Meldisch. No way Mike let's a known hitter sit in the front seat with him. I tend to believe the C.I. who recanted and blamed it on someone else. Unless they get a really good deal, which I doubt with murder attached, if I'm the Creas I'd roll the dice. What have they got to lose. The younger Crea might be able to afford a plea and MAYBE get 20. But Crea Sr? He's screwed either way. A plea deal or a conviction. He should fight it. This case sounds shaky to me as being a matter of the hierarchy being involved. To hit Michael Meldisch?

JIGGS

Caldwell was a longtime friend of Meldish by the looks of things, considering Meldish used him in another, unsanctioned hit on a Bonanno soldier. Meldish made an enemy out of Caldwell by leaving him at the scene, but Caldwell must have pretended they were still good.
Also, in the 2010s, I don't think people are that jittery about being whacked anymore because it rarely happens. Although if Meldish had two brain cells to rub together he should have figured there would be retaliation for the Enzo Stagno attempted murder. Maybe he just didn't realize it would come from the Luke's.

[JIGGS]

I hear ya and you're probably right. I just find it peculiar that Meldisch would let his guard down to a guy he knows isa career hammer, just like him. I can see maybe he sneaking up behind him. But putting yourself in a closed space with an assassin, regardless of how long or well they know each other. I figured he'd be more at ease with the CI, who doesn't have the rep.

What do you think of Crea's chances? Or Madonna and Dinapoli's for that matter? I just don't see them all conspiring to okay a hit on Michael Meldisch. One of their own yeah, but not him.

JIGGS

[gohnjotti]

I hear ya and you're probably right. I just find it peculiar that Meldisch would let his guard down to a guy he knows isa career hammer, just like him. I can see maybe he sneaking up behind him. But putting yourself in a closed space with an assassin, regardless of how long or well they know each other. I figured he'd be more at ease with the CI, who doesn't have the rep.

What do you think of Crea's chances? Or Madonna and Dinapoli's for that matter? I just don't see them all conspiring to okay a hit on Michael Meldisch. One of their own yeah, but not him.

JIGGS

Discussed this earlier. The case is seemingly rock solid against Londonio and Caldwell, so if they can't get a good plea they might be inclined to flip. And a good plea would probably be in a global plea deal, in which all defendants charged with the hit enter a conjoined plea for reduced sentences. But if some of the defendants don't want to do that, Londonio/Caldwell might be thinking "fuck that, if these guys are preventing me getting out of prison alive, I'll testify against them, get a time-served sentence, and become Joe Schmo from New Mexico."
That's my personal speculation, but I think it's a plausible scenario in this case. I also believe the feds were expecting either Londonio or Caldwell to flip, and are now in a sticky situation because neither of them have.

[CabriniGreen]

Lol, a great thread despite the clusterfuck it turned into...... couple observations....

1. This IS some Gangster BB type shit here, lol

2. This all started with rocco's comment about " flipping on the smacker"... Seems to be the sum total of his contribution to the thread, a derailment.

And Jeremy, it's not the " black gangsta" mentality. It THE fuckin gangster mentality to not snitch, irreguardless. You guys respect a guy like Gene Gotti, even though really he's dumb for not taking a PLEA, admitting membership, or as Gotti probably saw it, snitching. But it IS GANGSTER.....

3. When I got to the Asian lady and the train shit, I just about died.....Like, WHERE IS THIS SHIT COMING FROM? lmao ( Stop watching the news guys, damn..)

4. @Rocco

A good joke about shoplifting 40s!! But this is where you lost me....

You made the joke in response to someone saying he must have been trusted.
An LCN heavy wouldn't give a hit to just anyone right?
Like someone pointed out, he most likely knew, and could get close to Meldish, simple as that. From the drug world most likely.

It's funny to me you dont think the black guy could have been a trusted associate, when he ....um.....was clearly a black guy associate who they trusted with a hit!!?! ( Whistling to myself, lol)

5. Cant use slurs toward Blacks?

Now you sounding outta touch, and forgive me, a little OLD. Every young guy who thinks he's a little cool or tough and goes to clubs says the N word, lots of times when NO blacks are around. Its bizzare watching a Indian kid whose pre-med call his white friends, well ..... you get the point.......


6. Only New Yorkers take New Jack City ANY kinds serious, lol This is coming from someone who grew up in CabriniGreen, with family running shit.....

Supafly was about music And fashion, just like the remake they just put out. Dont tell me you think that was some kind of real attempt at, what, exactly???

All those movies actually, if you look at them, they all had same theme, " the black man gets to beat whitey"...
They were made for black audiences to consume. Meaning money...point blank.

My personal favorite is Coffee, with anti- drug theme, Pam Grier and the Catfight, lol, with the blades in the afro....


Great stuff fellas, even the shot that went left, utterly hilarious, lol