Visiting the West Side 1963

[bn]

Schipani's name is also seen often alongside Edward 'Eddie Buff' and Salvatore 'Sally Buff' Lanzieri, both soldiers under Skinny Sally Celembrino. If i'm not mistaken Celembrino's crew was based out of Staten Island and Brooklyn. Schipani was based in Brooklyn, maybe he was under Celembrino? Either way I don't see him being under Mike Coppolo

There was an FBI file in the Thomas Greco thread I think where in around 1966 where Toddo Marino was said to be under Joseph 'Joe Zotz' Lanza. This is interesting as it makes me wonder if Socks was a capo. There is a MF file where it states: "KONIGSBERG stated he recalled a "captain" in the GENOVESE "family", namely HARRY LANZA. Most people believe JOE "SOCKS" LANZA, a brother of HARRY, is the "captain", however, he is not.

This was in 1965 which is two years from 1963. The 1966 file about Toddo being under Joe Lanza and the 1965 file do seem to match, and I do think Marino was under Lanza. Furthermore, someone made a post (I think Chris or Pogo or HK) where they believed Marino succeeded Lanza as capodecina in the early 1970s, which makes me believe Marino was in his crew.

Carfagno's crew was based out of Brooklyn no? James Angellino was based out out of Westchester & The Bronx. I wonder if Harry Lanza succeeded Carfagno, the Pellegrino crew maybe split between Mogavero and Angellino, and Altomari maybe never being a capo?

[JoelTurner]

I had previously suggested that Angelina took over Carfano’s crew but that’s wrong. Carfano was based out of Brooklyn while Angelina and his crew were in Westchester-BX.

To add to the confusion, here’s a conversation from 1962 where Joseph “Joe Curly” Agone is said to be under Rocco Pellegrino AND that Saro Magovero was Pellegrino’s acting capo.




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As far as I know, the only source that actually named Jimmy Altomari as a captain was Al D’Arco recalling his youth.

The Pellegrino crew splitting between Mogavero and Angelina would make a lot of sense

[B.]

There's a guy called Fred who shows up on the DeCarlo tapes and talks about how he was made in 1916 or 1917. Do we know who he is (or if he was a member of another family)?

Someone mentioned that it was Alfred "Pogey" Toriello. I forgot who posted it.


Pogo

Yeah, the FBI believed it to be Toriello who visited DeCarlo on an ongoing basis when he was in town. If I remember right there is an FBI report that says Toriello had flown into NYC from Florida short time before that meeting.

[JoelTurner]

There's a guy called Fred who shows up on the DeCarlo tapes and talks about how he was made in 1916 or 1917. Do we know who he is (or if he was a member of another family)?

Someone mentioned that it was Alfred "Pogey" Toriello. I forgot who posted it.


Pogo

Yeah, the FBI believed it to be Toriello who visited DeCarlo on an ongoing basis when he was in town. If I remember right there is an FBI report that says Toriello had flown into NYC from Florida short time before that meeting.

Was he a New England guy?



Alfred “Poggy” Torriello - Well known hoodlum from Providence, RI - Frank Costello’s enforcement man in the New England area

[B.]

Definitely Genovese but it wouldn't surprise me if he was involved with them given all of the transfers in and out of both Families. "Fred" talked about being a member under Masseria so he would have had an insane number of connections if he was made in the mid-late 1910s and was around through everything back then.

Buffalo also had a member living in Boston who associated closely with the Patriarcas but belonged to the Utica crew.

[Pogo The Clown]

Fred was made before the electric lightbulb.


Pogo

[PolackTony]

Definitely Genovese but it wouldn't surprise me if he was involved with them given all of the transfers in and out of both Families. "Fred" talked about being a member under Masseria so he would have had an insane number of connections if he was made in the mid-late 1910s and was around through everything back then.

Buffalo also had a member living in Boston who associated closely with the Patriarcas but belonged to the Utica crew.

If "Fred" was Alfredo Toriello, I have him as born 1892 (don't know if his genealogy has been posted). His mother was named Giacinta and his father was Dionisio Torello, who I have as born about 1855, per his 1897 arrival in the US. This info matches an 1876 marriage record in Bonito, Avelino, for Dionisio Toriello and Giacinta Bortone, both born in Bonito. Bonito is in the Irpinia highlands of Avellino province, near Ariano Irpino (of Sopranos fame), where a lot of Avellines' who settled in the old 1st Ward in Newark came from.

A brief note on the core peasani network that settled in Newark. Given the references here to comuni such as Ricigliano, Muro Lucano, and San Fele, we should expect that there were plenty of links between this community and Chicago in particular (as well as Brooklyn and New England, given the broader Avellines' diaspora):

[chin_gigante]

If "Fred" was Alfredo Toriello, I have him as born 1892 (don't know if his genealogy has been posted). His mother was named Giacinta and his father was Dionisio Torello, who I have as born about 1855, per his 1897 arrival in the US. This info matches an 1876 marriage record in Bonito, Avelino, for Dionisio Toriello and Giacinta Bortone, both born in Bonito. Bonito is in the Irpinia highlands of Avellino province, near Ariano Irpino (of Sopranos fame), where a lot of Avellines' who settled in the old 1st Ward in Newark came from.

That's very interesting, was just about to ask about his geneology. If it is the same guy then we can add him as another non-Sicilian inducted in the 1910s

[B.]

Yeah for the past few years I've been carrying him as one of the first known mainlanders made in NYC based on this. Frankie Yale was probably made by then as well.

Only discrepancy if I remember right is DeCarlo makes a reference to "Fred" being older circa 1916/1917 than Toriello was at the time but it's not Fred himself who says it and the age DeCarlo gives would have made Fred born in the 1870s or early 1880s which is unlikely. The FBI very well could have misheard the age he stated, too, but I need to review the transcript again. Plus as mentioned earlier Toriello was known to visit DeCarlo when he was in town and he happened to be visiting the area around this time.

[chin_gigante]

Not to throw off the thread too much but how many mainlanders do we know of specifically being inducted throughout the US in the 1910s? Possibly Yale and Toriello. Joe Diamante is the only other one I can think of off the top of my head. Maybe Marco Reginelli, Dominick Festa, and John Scopoletti in Philly according to Rocco Scafidi (though Celeste Morello has them as being made later)

[PolackTony]

Not to throw off the thread too much but how many mainlanders do we know of specifically being inducted throughout the US in the 1910s? Possibly Yale and Toriello. Joe Diamante is the only other one I can think of off the top of my head. Maybe Marco Reginelli, Dominick Festa, and John Scopoletti in Philly according to Rocco Scafidi (though Celeste Morello has them as being made later)

With Esposito, he was identified by Gentile as made by around 1924 when Merlo died. Gentile of course doesn’t say when Esposito was inducted, but given that he was personally close to Tony D’Andrea, we can surmise that he was likely made sometime during the period when D’Andrea was boss (1914-1921). Gentile identified Yale as a capodecina in the Masseria Family, though again we don’t know exactly when he was made. Like Capone later, possible that Yale was made and given the rank of capodecina immediately thereafter (which would make sense in the case of a guy that was already “boss” of their own organization not yet formally under the mafia), though he could also have been inducted as a soldier and then moved up the ranks over some period of time. Not sure if there is anything firm enough to really pinpoint exactly when Yale was made.

[B.]

Mainlanders were brought into Pittsburgh by the late 1910s and the Gran Consiglio had to be involved in the process. No reason to think it happened before the 1910s at present except "Zu Vincenzo" teasing the Calabrian Comito with the prospect of being made, but there is evidence it was taking place by the end of the 1910s in Pittsburgh and NYC, with Chicago being highly probable as well. Like the Pittsburgh situation this was likely something that required national approval and would have been a mafia-wide rule change even though some Families chose to stay mostly or entirely Sicilian.

[JoelTurner]

Unknown Decina
Little Rocky (Nickname)

He was under Anthony Carillo

Celano Decina
Nicholas Galante

If this was Nicholas Galente aka "Nick O'Brien", he was likely under Frank Tieri

Del Ducca Decina
Salvatore Aparo

I don't think he was made at the time

Miranda Decina
Michael Spinella

Eboli Decina
Armando Perillo

These guys had been deported. Maybe put them in a separate category along with Joe Adonis.

[JoelTurner]

Was Louis Gatto a member in 1963?

He was born in 1916; I think it’s likelier that he was made at ~40 than around ~60

[JoelTurner]

There have been a lot of changes mentioned so here's an updated chart:

Administration:

Boss
Vito Genovese - Incarcerated

Consigliere
Michael Miranda

Underboss
Gerardo Catena (Acting Boss)

Captain
Thomas Eboli (Acting Underboss)
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Former Bosses
Frank "Frank Costello" Castiglia
Salvatore "Charles Luciano/Charlie Lucky" Lucania
Giuseppe "Joe the Boss" Masseria
Salvatore Loiacano
Fortunato LoMonte
Giuseppe Morello
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Captains: (Acting captain in parenthesis)

1) Angelo DeCarlo
2) Anthony Carillo
3) Cosmo Frasca
4) Eugene Catena
5) Frank Celano
6) Frank Tieri
7) Harry Lanza
8) Jimmy Angelina (Matthew Fortunato)
9) Mike Coppola (Philip Lombardo)
10) Peter DeFeo
11) Richie Boiardo
12) Rocco Pellegrino (Rosario Mogavero)
13) Salvatore Celembrino
14) Salvatore Cufari
15) Thomas Eboli (Pasquale Eboli)
16) Thomas Greco
17) Vincent Alo (Gerard Laietta)
18) Vincenzo Generosa (Michael Generosa)
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Crews:

Angelo Decarlo Crew - 13
Angelo Casamasso
Anthony Santoli
Anthony Zullo
Carl Silesia
Carmine Zullo
Daniel Cecere
Joseph Polverino
Louis Percella
Pasqualino Merola
Pellegrino Rega
Peter Costello
Peter Landusco
Rosario Miraglia

Anthony Carillo Crew - 13
Alfonzo Criscuolo
Amedeo Principe
Anthony Provenzano
Barney Miranda
Ciro Perrone
Jake Columbo
Joseph Perrone
Little Rocky (TNU)
Mathew Ianniello
Michael Spinella - Deported
Michele Perrone
Salvatore Briguglio
Salvatore Carillo

Cosmo Frasca Crew - 13
Anthony DiLorenzo
Anthony Tuzio
Enrico Rubino
George Rizzo
George Smurra
Ilario Pisani
Joseph Cusimano
Joseph Traina
Matthew DeLorenzo
Nicholas Frustacci
Philip Tartaglia
Thomas Cusimano
William Smurra

Eugene Catena Crew - 22
Angelo LaPadura
Anthony Campisi
Anthony Saita
Balsey (TNU)
Carmine Battaglia
Carmine Toto
Charles Campisi
Daniel Polidori
Ernest Lazzara
Frank Catena
John Lardiere
Joseph Pecora
Michael Geralle
Nicholas Bufania
Paul M. Lombardino
Peter LaPlaca
Philip Noto
Ralph Belvedere
Robert Tarantino
Tar Baby (TNU)
Thomas Campisi
Thomas Pecora

Frank Celano Crew - 5
Angelo Fiore
Daniel Noto
Gregory John Ardito
Joseph Famularo
Louis Anthony LaRocca

Frank Tieri Crew - 7
Angelo Luigi Pero
Anthony Nasti
Gaetano Amato
Nicholas Galente
Pasquale Macchirole
Salvatore Luisi/Lenzi
Thomas Lombardi

Harry Lanza Crew - 13
Charles Coppolino
Dominick Ciaffone
Frank Cacciatore
Frank Russo
John Del Ducca
Joseph Lanza
Joseph Santaniello
Joseph Scarpinito
Pasquale Del Duca
Peter Dolcemascolo
Ralph Dolcemascolo
Salvatore Gaetano Maiorana
Thomas Contaldo

Jimmy Angelina Crew - 10
Earl Coralluzzo
John Savino
Joseph Barra
Louis Barbella
Mathew Fortunato
Morris Barra
Paul Marchione
Rocco Barra
Salvatore Savino
Tobias DeMicco

Michael Coppola Crew - 28
Alexander Rosato
Alfred Cupolo
Angelo Charles Salerno
Anthony DeMartino
Anthony Ferro
Anthony Salerno
Anthony Salerno
Benjamin DeMartino
Carlo Albero
Daniel Scarglato
Felix Monaco
Ferdinand Salerno
Frank Livorsi
Frank Serpico
Jimmy Napoli
John Schillaci
Joseph Paterra
Joseph Stracci
Joseph Tortorici
Liborio Bellomo - Sus
Pasquale Erra
Philip Lombardo
Ralph Serpico
Raymond Muscarella
Salvatore Bellomo - Sus
Theodore DeMartino
Thomas Salerno
Vincent Rao

Peter DeFeo Crew - 6
Alfonso Marzano
Lorenzo Brescia
Vincent Bivona
Joseph Tedeschi
George Filipone
Nick Russo

Richie Boiardo Crew - 18
Andrew Gerardo
Angelo Chieppa
Angelo Sica
Anthony Boiardo
Anthony D'Ambrosio
Anthony Russo
Charles Tourine
Emilio Delio
Gino Farina
John Luciano
John Russo
Louis DeBenedetto
Nicholas Aldarelli
Peter Cavanna
Ralph Vicaro
Toby Paul Boyd
Victor Pisauro
Vincent Calabrese

Rocco Pellegrino Crew - 23
Albert DiStefano
Albert Facchiano
Anthony Albanese
Carmine Pellegrino
Frank Caruso
George Nobile
Jimmy Altomari
John Buonarobo
John Biele
John Manfredonia
John Masiello
Joseph Agone
Joseph Lapi
Joseph Mogavero
Louis Georgiano
Louis Giaccone
Michael Clemente
Peter Pellegrino
Philip Albanese
Richard Manfredonia
Rosario Mogavero
Salvatore Aparo
Salvatore Gencarelli

Salvatore Celembrino Crew - 3
Edward Lanzieri
Joseph Schipani
Salvatore Lanzieri

Salvatore Cufari Crew - 19
Albert Scibelli
Angelo Iacone
Antonio Scibelli
Carmine Mastrototaro
Cosmo Panarelli
Francis Santo
Frank Scibelli
Henry Siciliano
Ignazio Marchese
James Collaro
Joseph Mineo
Louis Maloni
Mario Fiore
Nicholas Camerota
Salvatore Iacone
Salvatore Annunziato
Salvatore Basso
Thomas Sanfratello
Thomas Vastano

Thomas Eboli Crew - 35
Alfred Faicco
Anthony Florio
Anthony Marchitto
Armando Perillo - Deported
Cosmo DiPietro
Dominick DiQuarto
Dominick Alongi
Edward Capobianco
Fiore Siano
Frank Caggiano
Gerard Mosiello
Girolamo Santuccio
Innocenzio Stoppelli
James Battaglia
Joseph Cataldo
Joseph DeNegris
Joseph George Martinelli
Joseph Luco Pagano
Joseph Valachi
Lawrence Dentico
Louis Manna
Mario Gigante
Martin Casella
Mauro Manna
Michael Genovese - Messenger (informal position)
Michael Graziosi
Michael Maione
Michael Nicoline
Pasquale Pagano
Pasquale Eboli
Salvatore Badalamente
Sebastian Ofria
Thomas Musto
Vincent Gigante
Vincenzo Mauro

Thomas Greco Crew -7
Charles Gagliodotto
David Petillo
Joseph LaPadura
Joseph Loiacano
Paul Carbo
Salvatore Puma
Samuel Franco

Vincent Alo Crew - 17
Aldo Mazzarati
Frank Cucolo
Gaetano Ricci
Gaetano Somma
Gerard Laietta
Giovanni Battista Salvo
Joseph Peloso
Joseph Sabato
Larry Centore
Luigi Prado
Nicholas Rattenni
Robert Bianchi
Robert Blanche
Rocco Perotta
Rudolph Prisco
Sabato Milo
Vincenzo Picarelli

Vincent Generosa Crew - 9
Dominick Cappolo
Eugene Uricola
Maurice Longo
Michael Generosa
Pasquale Amorosa
Peter Bivona
Salvatore DIPietro
Salvatore Granello
Salvatore Lauro
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Crew Unknown:
Carmine Bove
Julius Celantano
Joseph Gerardo
Joe Pensola (nickname)
Joseph Randazzo
Ralph Ferrara
Anthony Martino
Louis Russo