Buffalo/Ontario Mob Acitivity

[NickleCity]

Looks like you may be right Stroccos. Here is a screenshot of court documents related to Anthony Gerace's upcoming sentencing that indicates he used and ex-boxer to collect debts.

Anthony Gerace (Gambling Records & Former Boxer as Enforcer).png

Here is the link to document from which this screenshot was taken: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/16 ... -v-gerace/

Could be coincidence, but given the story you mention in The Niagara Fall Reporter and which I, also, highlighted in my post on potential mob activity in the Buffalo Mob's "Dead Years," and the fact that Lou was arrested in Rochester for trying to collect gambling debts with threats of extortion and violence--It sure raises an eyebrow!

THE DEAD YEARS: Arrests/Indictments/Investigations Related to Individuals Who May Have Ties to the "Remnants" of Buffalo Crime Family

For many the lack of known arrests and indictments for the period of 2006 to the present are indicators that the Buffalo Crime family is dead and that any activity is from remnants of the family. This is certainly a reasonable argument. The issue is this: If one believes the crime family is dead he or she may overlook or dismiss possible activity. However, the opposite is true as well. Those who believe the crime family is active may find it in places where it is not.

Below I outline 17 different incidents where those involved appear to have connections to people who are/were in or have had associations with the Buffalo crime family during this time period. This doesn't mean all incidents are connected to the Buffalo mob. However, the more I look into connections the more I believe the Buffalo crime family has been active all along. At the very least it has influenced a great deal of criminal behavior even today.

1. 2006: Turchiarelli, Cimento, and Bianchi indicted for trying to collect a gambling debts in Rochester threats of extortion and violence…

Turchiarelli
Here is a link to article: https://buffalonews.com/2006/05/04/ex-c ... tion-plot/ Here is a link to Turchiarelli being accused of being mafia enforcer: https://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/St ... /whil.html

Joe Cimanto
Found no connections for Cimento to Buffalo mob accept to Turchiarelli and Bianchi

Joe Bianchi
The Bianchi’s were often associated with Rochester faction. See: http://mafiamembershipcharts.blogspot.c ... -list.html In the 70’s/80’s they owned restaurants frequented by the mob in Rochester.

Richard Bianchi is currently chairman of WNY OTB (Off Track Betting) which is being investigated by a Federal Grand Jury. Here is the link: https://www.investigativepost.org/2019/ ... igate-otb/ The OTB in WNY has been accused of intimidating witnesses. Here is the article: https://www.investigativepost.org/2019/ ... g-witness/

In 1977 Joe Gerace, a Vegas blackjack dealer, was indicted on manslaughter charges in Buffalo.



It appears Joe Gerace had a relationship with Richard Turchiarelli who was also involved in the beating after a engagement party for a Buffalo police officer named Richard Atti See screen shot and this casetext link: https://casetext.com/case/people-v-gramaglia



Is Richard Turchiarelli related to the exBoxer and possible enforcer for the Geraces'? I don't know for sure, but I did dig up a Richard who is related to a Lou but I don't know in what capacity or if it is the same Lou. Does anyone have any information on this?

Joe Gerace is friendly with the Todaro's (if not related to them and the Gerace family in Buffalo.) He signed both Joe Todaro Sr. and Josephine "Nanni T's" obituary guestbooks.



Also of interest is the involvement of tobacco salesman Jack Giammaresi given the Buffalo crime family has had significant involvement in tobacco smuggling in conjunction with the indigenous peoples and their reservations in upstate NY. Also interesting that this incident involved another Buffalo police officer Philip Gramaglia. Perhaps the Gerace family has had a lot of "influence" on law enforcement in WNY.

Here is a link to a WIVB news video of Atti, Giammaresi, & Gramaglia's sentencing: https://cdm16694.contentdm.oclc.org/dig ... d/88/rec/1

Here is another interesting piece of information: I Just found another Giammaresi in Fino’s book The Triangle Exit. It appears Tom Giammaresi was a bodyguard and associate of Pieri who, as a BPD Detective, provided Pieri with information about ongoing investigations. Here is what Fino wrote:

Sam Pieri wasted little time in his role as my Buffalo Mafia helmsman and ignoring the orders that he was to communicate with me through his nephew, he introduced me to his bodyguard and close associate, Tom Giammaresi, a Buffalo Police detective who provided him with sensitive information about ongoing investigations. As we sat in the kitchen of the Pieri home (owned by Giammaresi), Sammy told me that he wanted office space for a business that was envisioned by the elder Mafioso and his obedient police officer. The plan was for Giammaresi to form a minority company to take advantage of the current laws that required all state and federal projects to award a percentage to minority-owned contractors and businesses. Enjoying the assistance of the family-controlled Local 210, they decided to take advantage of the proposed multi-million dollar light rail rapid transit project that was a focal point of Buffalo's future and viability. Their idea was to start an equipment leasing company that would make machinery available for the general and subcontractors that would be awarded the massive amount of work.

Think this lends some more support to the idea that the 1977 beating/Joe Gerace, Turchiarelli, Jack Giammaresi connections are mob related, which adds support to the notion that the Gerace family has had a history or relationships with corrupt law enforcement officials.

Also, given Jack Giammaresi being a tobacco salesman and Tom Giammaresi's connection to Pieri I can't help but wonder if Jack was part of Buffalo family trafficking of cigs and tobacco to Canada in cooperation with some corrupt players in the upstate reservations. Anyway, the more I look the more intertwined these old cases seem to be with each other and the current investigation into IOC in Buffalo.

Something else that makes me go MMM?

Found an article from the Journal of Ogdensburg, NY on Tuesday March 7, 1970 that indicates a Buffalo Police Officer named Robert Grisanti was suspended by the Buffalo police because he had been charged with perjury and contempt by the grand jury investigated the Long murder case I've talked about above. Here is the article:



I believe this is the same Robert Grisanti that was commended for his efforts for fighting narcotics traffickers and drug dealers as officer of the year in 1997. (Of interest Bill Henderson of Toronto Police Service was selected for the 1997 Canadian officer of the year.) See article below:



You can see from this Linked-in profile (below) that “Bob” Grisanti would have served BPD for 27 years as stated in The Buffalo News article from 1997 (above).



Additionally, Robert Grisanti was a murder target of Buffalo mob hit man Luciano “AKA Dilly, AKA Dillinger” Spataro who was recently release from prison. He was to be killed for investigating “the drug empire” of Mike Biscotto who operated in what has been called the Graziadei Drug Ring with Spataro.

SEE: https://buffalonews.com/news/informant- ... a2fd0.html Pictures of article below:





SEE ALSO: https://buffalonews.com/news/police-off ... fba6c.html. Pictures of article below:





I should note that Frank J Morrocco was convicted for his role in the Grazaidei Drug ring and is involved with the Lockport and Kenmore debt collection scandal being investigated for its connects to the Buffalo mafia by Federal Law Enforcement right now.

Has the Buffalo mob and Gerace family had it hand in Buffalo law enforcement all this time? Katrina Nigro has made those allegations about Peter Gerace Jr. and the Cheektowaga PD.

I, also, believe Michael Masecchia's Uncle Raniero was a Buffalo homicide detective during this time period and if I remember correctly Michael had an underage conviction for drug dealing. I will have to go back and see if I can find that. At the very least there is a document that I've posted showing his connection to Las Vegas and and DEA files going back to 2004. Interesting that Raniero Masecchia II died at a young age in March of 2009 and Michael's nephew Bart Mazzara Jr in 2019. Bart Jr. worked at the Buffalo News and most people think he OD'd... some wonder if it was a cover for something a little more sinister. But take all this with a grain of salt--its just street talk.

[Newyorkempire]

Looks like you may be right Stroccos. Here is a screenshot of court documents related to Anthony Gerace's upcoming sentencing that indicates he used and ex-boxer to collect debts.

Anthony Gerace (Gambling Records & Former Boxer as Enforcer).png

Here is the link to document from which this screenshot was taken: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/16 ... -v-gerace/

Could be coincidence, but given the story you mention in The Niagara Fall Reporter and which I, also, highlighted in my post on potential mob activity in the Buffalo Mob's "Dead Years," and the fact that Lou was arrested in Rochester for trying to collect gambling debts with threats of extortion and violence--It sure raises an eyebrow!

THE DEAD YEARS: Arrests/Indictments/Investigations Related to Individuals Who May Have Ties to the "Remnants" of Buffalo Crime Family

For many the lack of known arrests and indictments for the period of 2006 to the present are indicators that the Buffalo Crime family is dead and that any activity is from remnants of the family. This is certainly a reasonable argument. The issue is this: If one believes the crime family is dead he or she may overlook or dismiss possible activity. However, the opposite is true as well. Those who believe the crime family is active may find it in places where it is not.

Below I outline 17 different incidents where those involved appear to have connections to people who are/were in or have had associations with the Buffalo crime family during this time period. This doesn't mean all incidents are connected to the Buffalo mob. However, the more I look into connections the more I believe the Buffalo crime family has been active all along. At the very least it has influenced a great deal of criminal behavior even today.

1. 2006: Turchiarelli, Cimento, and Bianchi indicted for trying to collect a gambling debts in Rochester threats of extortion and violence…

Turchiarelli
Here is a link to article: https://buffalonews.com/2006/05/04/ex-c ... tion-plot/ Here is a link to Turchiarelli being accused of being mafia enforcer: https://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/St ... /whil.html

Joe Cimanto
Found no connections for Cimento to Buffalo mob accept to Turchiarelli and Bianchi

Joe Bianchi
The Bianchi’s were often associated with Rochester faction. See: http://mafiamembershipcharts.blogspot.c ... -list.html In the 70’s/80’s they owned restaurants frequented by the mob in Rochester.

Richard Bianchi is currently chairman of WNY OTB (Off Track Betting) which is being investigated by a Federal Grand Jury. Here is the link: https://www.investigativepost.org/2019/ ... igate-otb/ The OTB in WNY has been accused of intimidating witnesses. Here is the article: https://www.investigativepost.org/2019/ ... g-witness/

In 1977 Joe Gerace, a Vegas blackjack dealer, was indicted on manslaughter charges in Buffalo.



It appears Joe Gerace had a relationship with Richard Turchiarelli who was also involved in the beating after a engagement party for a Buffalo police officer named Richard Atti See screen shot and this casetext link: https://casetext.com/case/people-v-gramaglia



Is Richard Turchiarelli related to the exBoxer and possible enforcer for the Geraces'? I don't know for sure, but I did dig up a Richard who is related to a Lou but I don't know in what capacity or if it is the same Lou. Does anyone have any information on this?

Joe Gerace is friendly with the Todaro's (if not related to them and the Gerace family in Buffalo.) He signed both Joe Todaro Sr. and Josephine "Nanni T's" obituary guestbooks.



Also of interest is the involvement of tobacco salesman Jack Giammaresi given the Buffalo crime family has had significant involvement in tobacco smuggling in conjunction with the indigenous peoples and their reservations in upstate NY. Also interesting that this incident involved another Buffalo police officer Philip Gramaglia. Perhaps the Gerace family has had a lot of "influence" on law enforcement in WNY.

Here is a link to a WIVB news video of Atti, Giammaresi, & Gramaglia's sentencing: https://cdm16694.contentdm.oclc.org/dig ... d/88/rec/1

Here is another interesting piece of information: I Just found another Giammaresi in Fino’s book The Triangle Exit. It appears Tom Giammaresi was a bodyguard and associate of Pieri who, as a BPD Detective, provided Pieri with information about ongoing investigations. Here is what Fino wrote:

Sam Pieri wasted little time in his role as my Buffalo Mafia helmsman and ignoring the orders that he was to communicate with me through his nephew, he introduced me to his bodyguard and close associate, Tom Giammaresi, a Buffalo Police detective who provided him with sensitive information about ongoing investigations. As we sat in the kitchen of the Pieri home (owned by Giammaresi), Sammy told me that he wanted office space for a business that was envisioned by the elder Mafioso and his obedient police officer. The plan was for Giammaresi to form a minority company to take advantage of the current laws that required all state and federal projects to award a percentage to minority-owned contractors and businesses. Enjoying the assistance of the family-controlled Local 210, they decided to take advantage of the proposed multi-million dollar light rail rapid transit project that was a focal point of Buffalo's future and viability. Their idea was to start an equipment leasing company that would make machinery available for the general and subcontractors that would be awarded the massive amount of work.

Think this lends some more support to the idea that the 1977 beating/Joe Gerace, Turchiarelli, Jack Giammaresi connections are mob related, which adds support to the notion that the Gerace family has had a history or relationships with corrupt law enforcement officials.

Also, given Jack Giammaresi being a tobacco salesman and Tom Giammaresi's connection to Pieri I can't help but wonder if Jack was part of Buffalo family trafficking of cigs and tobacco to Canada in cooperation with some corrupt players in the upstate reservations. Anyway, the more I look the more intertwined these old cases seem to be with each other and the current investigation into IOC in Buffalo.

Something else that makes me go MMM?

Found an article from the Journal of Ogdensburg, NY on Tuesday March 7, 1970 that indicates a Buffalo Police Officer named Robert Grisanti was suspended by the Buffalo police because he had been charged with perjury and contempt by the grand jury investigated the Long murder case I've talked about above. Here is the article:



I believe this is the same Robert Grisanti that was commended for his efforts for fighting narcotics traffickers and drug dealers as officer of the year in 1997. (Of interest Bill Henderson of Toronto Police Service was selected for the 1997 Canadian officer of the year.) See article below:



You can see from this Linked-in profile (below) that “Bob” Grisanti would have served BPD for 27 years as stated in The Buffalo News article from 1997 (above).



Additionally, Robert Grisanti was a murder target of Buffalo mob hit man Luciano “AKA Dilly, AKA Dillinger” Spataro who was recently release from prison. He was to be killed for investigating “the drug empire” of Mike Biscotto who operated in what has been called the Graziadei Drug Ring with Spataro.

SEE: https://buffalonews.com/news/informant- ... a2fd0.html Pictures of article below:





SEE ALSO: https://buffalonews.com/news/police-off ... fba6c.html. Pictures of article below:





I should note that Frank J Morrocco was convicted for his role in the Grazaidei Drug ring and is involved with the Lockport and Kenmore debt collection scandal being investigated for its connects to the Buffalo mafia by Federal Law Enforcement right now.

Has the Buffalo mob and Gerace family had it hand in Buffalo law enforcement all this time? Katrina Nigro has made those allegations about Peter Gerace Jr. and the Cheektowaga PD.

You already know this to be the case. The relations are deep to this day. Never know Mazzara Jr. worked for the news. May be why they have always printed favorable stories about the death of the family as early as 97-98, the same years when meetings and phone calls took place in Buffalo with Ontario figures after Papalia and Barillaro hita. So that article specifically was not accurate whatsoever.

I, also, believe Michael Masecchia's Uncle Raniero was a Buffalo homicide detective during this time period and if I remember correctly Michael had an underage conviction for drug dealing. I will have to go back and see if I can find that. At the very least there is a document that I've posted showing his connection to Las Vegas and and DEA files going back to 2004. Interesting that Raniero Masecchia II died at a young age in March of 2009 and Michael's nephew Bart Mazzara Jr in 2019. Bart Jr. worked at the Buffalo News and most people think he OD'd... some wonder if it was a cover for something a little more sinister. But take all this with a grain of salt--its just street talk.

[Newyorkempire]

You already know this to be the case. The relations are deep to this day. Never know Mazzara Jr. worked for the news. May be why they have always printed favorable stories about the death of the family as early as 97-98, the same years when meetings and phone calls took place in Buffalo with Ontario figures after Papalia and Barillaro hits. So that article specifically was not accurate whatsoever.

"The Dead Years"?, no. Just a different amalgamation of what was seen as rank and file in years past.

[Wiseguy]

That's a terrific story. And we have newspaper people on the payroll, don't we, Tom? And they might like a story like that.

[Newyorkempire]

That's a terrific story. And we have newspaper people on the payroll, don't we, Tom? And they might like a story like that.

There he is. The Wise one who knows nothing about everything. Must be that time of month again. Payroll and influence are two different things.

[Newyorkempire]

"Wise"guy. Tell us one thing you know about any Buffalo figure that you havent read from an article and simple regurgitated it. Oh wait. Theres nothing. Why are you posting on something you know nothing about?

[Wiseguy]

"Wise"guy. Tell us one thing you know about any Buffalo figure that you havent read from an article and simple regurgitated it. Oh wait. Theres nothing. Why are you posting on something you know nothing about?

I've always said I get all my info from indictments, press releases, reports, news articles, etc. Of course, the same goes for you and every single poster on these forums. And you know what? Those sources have proven over the years to have a far, far better track record and be far, far more dependable than every last one of those posters who have claimed they heard this, or know a guy, etc. It's why someone who lives in Idaho, but follows these sources closely, can have a better understanding of things than someone who judt happens to live Buffalo, Chicago, etc.

[Newyorkempire]

"Wise"guy. Tell us one thing you know about any Buffalo figure that you havent read from an article and simple regurgitated it. Oh wait. Theres nothing. Why are you posting on something you know nothing about?

I've always said I get all my info from indictments, press releases, reports, news articles, etc. Of course, the same goes for you and every single poster on these forums. And you know what? Those sources have proven over the years to have a far, far better track record and be far, far more dependable than every last one of those posters who have claimed they heard this, or know a guy, etc. It's why someone who lives in Idaho, but follows these sources closely, can have a better understanding of things than someone who judt happens to live Buffalo, Chicago, etc.

And I think thats a fair opinion but not an absolute truth. And still doesnt negate that posters may have heard rumors or know people that connect the dots and can then be corroborated through the years and closely aligned with what now has come out in the same articles you personally rely on solely as your source.

But lets follow your logic of articles and journalists. Well get to law enforcement disclosure later. You believe that Lee Coppola was accurate in his 1998 article correct? Follow along and answer and you'll see where we are going.

[Wiseguy]

And I think thats a fair opinion but not an absolute truth. And still doesnt negate that posters may have heard rumors or know people that connect the dots and can then be corroborated through the years and closely aligned with what now has come out in the same articles you personally rely on solely as your source.

I don't know what the heck you're even talking about. In your case, you've come to the complete opposite conclusion of reality regarding Buffalo. So that's about the worst example you could come up with and proves my point as much as anything.

But lets follow your logic of articles and journalists. Well get to law enforcement disclosure later. You believe that Lee Coppola was accurate in his 1998 article correct?

Not only was Coppola correct in his 1998 article, he's continued to be correct in more recent years. Not because he's a journalist or writes an article, in and of itself, but what he has consistently said about the state of the Buffalo LCN matches the other available evidence.

Follow along and answer and you'll see where we are going.

My excitement is boundless.

[NickleCity]

Not only was Coppola correct in his 1998 article, he's continued to be correct in more recent years. Not because he's a journalist or writes an article, in and of itself, but what he has consistently said about the state of the Buffalo LCN matches the other available evidence.

So Coppola was correct in saying Todaro Jr. had already retired from the rackets by ‘98 and gone legitimate? Do you believe that? Coppola wrote:

Twenty-six years ago the son of another Buffalo godfather was destined to take his father's place. On a warm summer night, dressed in a white linen suit, he and his associates, together with wives and girlfriends, entered Eduardo's nightclub on Bailey Avenue, where Louie Prima was performing. The club grew strangely quiet as the entourage proceeded to a long table. In what could have been a scene from any number of Mafia movies, those in the nightclub who knew whispered to those who didn't who had just entered.

But between then and now, the heir apparent to Buffalo's Mafia throne, Joseph Todaro, went legitimate. He opened a pizzeria, quit his job at Local 210 and concentrated on running his business. Today, La Nova Pizza ranks as a Buffalo success story, a neighborhood pizzeria that reportedly grosses millions of dollars a year and distributes its popular chicken wings throughout the nation. Its owner, for years having dodged government efforts to put him behind bars, has never been convicted of a crime, and now reportedly shuns any contact with his former life.

[Wiseguy]

Not only was Coppola correct in his 1998 article, he's continued to be correct in more recent years. Not because he's a journalist or writes an article, in and of itself, but what he has consistently said about the state of the Buffalo LCN matches the other available evidence.

So Coppola was correct in saying Todaro Jr. had already retired from the rackets by ‘98 and gone legitimate? Do you believe that? Coppola wrote:

Twenty-six years ago the son of another Buffalo godfather was destined to take his father's place. On a warm summer night, dressed in a white linen suit, he and his associates, together with wives and girlfriends, entered Eduardo's nightclub on Bailey Avenue, where Louie Prima was performing. The club grew strangely quiet as the entourage proceeded to a long table. In what could have been a scene from any number of Mafia movies, those in the nightclub who knew whispered to those who didn't who had just entered.

But between then and now, the heir apparent to Buffalo's Mafia throne, Joseph Todaro, went legitimate. He opened a pizzeria, quit his job at Local 210 and concentrated on running his business. Today, La Nova Pizza ranks as a Buffalo success story, a neighborhood pizzeria that reportedly grosses millions of dollars a year and distributes its popular chicken wings throughout the nation.

As I said, I believe the general thrust of Coppola's article - the weakened state of the Buffalo mob - was correct.

As far as his claim Todaro Jr. "went legitimate," we have to break that down. His restaurants are legitimate. Most of what he does day to day involves running his legitimate interests. Not directing, as the nominal boss, an essentially defunct criminal organization made up of mostly old and inactive members.

[NickleCity]

As I said, I believe the general thrust of Coppola's article - the weakened state of the Buffalo mob - was correct.

As far as his claim Todaro Jr. "went legitimate," we have to break that down. His restaurants are legitimate. Most of what he does day to day involves running his legitimate interests. Not directing, as the nominal boss, an essentially defunct criminal organization made up of mostly old and inactive members.

So you believe Cappola was incorrect in saying Todaro shuned any contact with his former life - even as far back as before ‘98?

Was he incorrect in suggeting Todaro had already retired asacting boss/underboss of the Buffalo crime family before the ‘98 article?

[Newyorkempire]

As I said, I believe the general thrust of Coppola's article - the weakened state of the Buffalo mob - was correct.

As far as his claim Todaro Jr. "went legitimate," we have to break that down. His restaurants are legitimate. Most of what he does day to day involves running his legitimate interests. Not directing, as the nominal boss, an essentially defunct criminal organization made up of mostly old and inactive members.

So you believe Cappola was incorrect in saying Todaro shuned any contact with his former life - even as far back as before ‘98?

Was he incorrect in suggeting Todaro had already retired asacting boss/underboss of the Buffalo crime family before the ‘98 article?

Hes been incorrect. The only way Coppola is correct is if we discredit the following reports...

- Carmen Barillaro traveled to Buffalo to seek permission from Buffalo admininstration after Papalia was hit

- Musitano and Jonny Sacs leaked wiretapped conversation discussing the hit on Papalia

- Dominic Violi stating to a made member of the Bonannos that Todaro made him underboss

- Todaro getting mad Al Iavarone was made in the L.A. Family and he wasnt informed.

- All the recent reports by the FBI he is still the head of the Crime Family

[Newyorkempire]

Not only was Coppola correct in his 1998 article, he's continued to be correct in more recent years. Not because he's a journalist or writes an article, in and of itself, but what he has consistently said about the state of the Buffalo LCN matches the other available evidence.

So Coppola was correct in saying Todaro Jr. had already retired from the rackets by ‘98 and gone legitimate? Do you believe that? Coppola wrote:

Twenty-six years ago the son of another Buffalo godfather was destined to take his father's place. On a warm summer night, dressed in a white linen suit, he and his associates, together with wives and girlfriends, entered Eduardo's nightclub on Bailey Avenue, where Louie Prima was performing. The club grew strangely quiet as the entourage proceeded to a long table. In what could have been a scene from any number of Mafia movies, those in the nightclub who knew whispered to those who didn't who had just entered.

But between then and now, the heir apparent to Buffalo's Mafia throne, Joseph Todaro, went legitimate. He opened a pizzeria, quit his job at Local 210 and concentrated on running his business. Today, La Nova Pizza ranks as a Buffalo success story, a neighborhood pizzeria that reportedly grosses millions of dollars a year and distributes its popular chicken wings throughout the nation.

As I said, I believe the general thrust of Coppola's article - the weakened state of the Buffalo mob - was correct.

As far as his claim Todaro Jr. "went legitimate," we have to break that down. His restaurants are legitimate. Most of what he does day to day involves running his legitimate interests. Not directing, as the nominal boss, an essentially defunct criminal organization made up of mostly old and inactive members.

You have no idea what your talking about. You have no idea what anyone does day to day. Youre lost boss. Its like trying to explain algebra to an infant

[Newyorkempire]

Oh wait. And we also have to discredit what Sergi says and Humphries, and Edwards in order for Wiseguys narrative to fit. So when he wants to use an article to suit him its deemed credible. See where that went Wiseguy? Again, youre a genius, your copy and pasting is bar none the best Ive ever seen. Stand tall.