Tommy Farese just get pinched for healthcare fraud?

[Johnny1and1]

Big John and his kids plead guilty and have been sentenced. His deal is up to $67MM. That's gross, and that's from the Fed's. The Fed's in my view are not a reliable source for anything discussed on here. Gross and net in this type of hustle and two wildly different numbers.

Mix got a Brady order. That's rare. We all fight for this when we're in trouble. Mix also is fighting and there are issues with discovery. PII information the Fed's don't want to release. Except his defense is the recipients were eligible to receive durable goods, and the Fed medical programs approved the purchases. As I see his defense, he's trying to get it dropped to the kick back portion only. It has John Contini written all over it. There is at least one guy on this board that knows exactly who and what I'm referring to. He's the best, although no longer a Judge or practicing attorney. He's still gives advice on a consultancy basis.

Link I found to the snitch pig:

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/new ... 319845002/

No link for Mix, you have to take it or leave it. Conversation didn't get to Gatto, someone joined us for dinner, and we changed the subject. FWIW, Mix and the snitch pig were basically neighbors.

Both Big John and Ren in my view were never to be trusted, and this goes to some previous posts of mine about just how wide open it is in Fla. If I was still in jeopardy, I wouldn't go near most of these guys in Broward. The Palm Beach guys are at a different level. Some Broward guys as well. It just depends. I though Big John had a reputation in Jersey. I'm not from there, someone else should know better than I would.

Anyway, can anyone weigh in on how many of these indictments there were? We factually know three, but I'm thinking there is one additional that went unnoticed. I'm unwilling to use PACAR for this. I'm not sure I'm even supposed to have it. I don't need headaches, so someone else can weigh in.

[Johnny1and1]

Another Friday night, another dinner, some additional "rumors."

At this point I'm pretty certain there are more than three indictments, but I can't find any publicly available information on what I believe to be a fourth indictment, so not going to post until I do. I do believe there is a fourth indictment involving at least one additional made guy.

The Trugs Tampa indictment used at least one Mexican, as did the Mamone Tampa thing. Not the same person. I knew this from dinner a couple of Friday's ago, but it was confirmed again.

I'm not much of a researcher as I get my "unverified" information elsewhere, but I ran across this looking for the 4th 2021ish indictment:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdfl/pr/na ... ent-action

One additional name on this older 2020 indictment that I recognize, and I suspect some on here do as well. If not, one additional name you might wish to consider going down a rabbit hole on. Maybe some already have.

The Fed's court filing called the Trugs 2020 conspiracy "The Truglia Faction". Interesting choice of words that we had a laugh over. I was so curious about this choice of words, I found this:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdfl/press ... 6/download

He's is going to get (probably already got) concurrent sentences. I don't know enough about that, and don't know how to find if this applies to all three of his pleas, or which pleas the concurrent sentences apply to. One in 2020, and two in or about 2021. He cut a fairly decent deal on three distinct and separate indictments, two located in or around So Fla, and all within the last 24-36 months.

The other thing I don't know enough about is he might still be in jeopardy in another 2021 indictment up north.

I guess the 2020 Trugs indictment could be the fourth indictment, and I also guess there might be one more out there, possibly even sealed.

One the Mix deal, he partially won discovery on the PII, and has a Brady order. I did find the ruling on discovery publicly available, but can't locate the Brady order. These could related due to what they legally are. I'm not sure. But even though the Brady order might not be public, I'd suggest you could consider this fact.

I have some other speculation that I've kinda sorta hinted at, but for now I'm going to wait to see what becomes public. What did Tampa know? I'd suggest they were asked permission, and I'd suggest they have one active gentlemen left. Obviously I can't document that. No one really can.

[Johnny1and1]

I forgot. Cirri had a waiver of indictment, and as far as I know is still awaiting sentencing. This could men bad things for the remaining defendant for obvious reasons.

Not sure about Defonte. Cirri is scheduled to be sentenced in August. Not sure when Defonte will be sentenced.

If sentence is light for NJ guy (Cirri),along with court filing, it’s obvious he cooperated.

Anyone have photos of this Cirri guy? Some nervous guys in NJ and elsewhere I’m guessing. Clown world.

[Johnny1and1]

I think I have the sentencing conflated between Cirri and Defonte above. Anyway, usually a waiver means a plea, and we know this already. It also could mean the plea was predicated on cooperation. We don’t know this. A delay on sentencing could and usually means even more. If Defonte gets sentenced in August and Cirri doesn’t, it could mean they need Cirri for Mix.

Both guys were supposed to be sentenced in March. One is scheduled to be sentenced in August, and no mention of the other guy.

Apologize for the confusing post above and my lack of memory, but it’s not like I take notes when we’re speaking at dinner, and it’s all taking in circles anyway. One thing the movies actually got fairly close to correct. I can’t hardly keep up and I don’t speak much Italian.

Anyway, take it or leave it. I’m just some guy on the internet “speculating” I guess.

[CornerBoy]

im surprised a certain new springville boy who became a huge stock fraud guy that did 8 years didnt get pinched. All of those crooked brokers from hanover sterling got into that credit card loan thing for restaurants

I’ve heard Mix doesn’t mix well (his choice for safety reasons) with the northern guys, and has license to be somewhat independent in SoFla. I’m also guess Trugs is probably made at this point. There were there separate operations that got pinched. One Tampa based, and the other two largely SE Florida based, with some Tampa, and obviously the dudes that plead (maybe snitched) from up north. Call this my speculation since my South Florida posts on here offend someone folks.

Sorry, what I should of said is that certain New Springville boy(s) is/are very tight w Farese as of 2 yrs ago

[Johnny1and1]

im surprised a certain new springville boy who became a huge stock fraud guy that did 8 years didnt get pinched. All of those crooked brokers from hanover sterling got into that credit card loan thing for restaurants

I’ve heard Mix doesn’t mix well (his choice for safety reasons) with the northern guys, and has license to be somewhat independent in SoFla. I’m also guess Trugs is probably made at this point. There were there separate operations that got pinched. One Tampa based, and the other two largely SE Florida based, with some Tampa, and obviously the dudes that plead (maybe snitched) from up north. Call this my speculation since my South Florida posts on here offend someone folks.

Sorry, what I should of said is that certain New Springville boy(s) is/are very tight w Farese as of 2 yrs ago

I've not spent significant time in NYC, or the NE area in general, so I have no idea who you might be referring to with just a reference to New Springville.

I get the part about not posting names that might still be active. In this thread I've only posted names of people who appear in court documents and newspaper articles.

[Johnny1and1]

I need to preface this post by stating some of this is not publicly available yet in the case of court filings, and not able to be verified. It isn't cut and pasted from the internet, and doesn't really on news articles, FBI documents, etc. The best types of posts in my view. Anyone can cut and paste.

The court filings will eventually be publicly available after the lag of filing.

What I'm posting is factual however. You can trust but verify, wait and see, or do whatever you wish.

The Feds sought to deny, and then delay first the protective order already mentioned, and most recently, the Brady material. The Fed's have not prevailed in these efforts. They reached a compromise on the previously mentioned protective order, and missed a deadline on Brady material.

Some of this will eventually be available online, some probably already is, some (status reports) you'd either need to view in a Federal Courthouse, or might not be able to view at all.

What does it mean? It's a fairly large step for the defense. There is a ways to go yet, and some of this shouldn't have been necessary, but it isn't surprising the way the Fed's violate civil liberties on a regular basis. Mix has a tough battle, but he's fighting. As expected, and as I believe I've previously mentioned. I'm not saying Mix beats the rap, or even saying this gets to trial, although I suspect its likely this gets to trail.

Truglia is at FCI Texarkna. Gatto appears to also be fighting, but that remains to be seen, and is also part of the game inside the game for Mix.

The word is this stops at both of these guys, and I heard from a little birdy that message has been sent. As I posted someplace else, there is a television show called "Who's the Boss?", and there are lyrics in a song by "The Who", that say "meet the new boss, same as the old boss...." Famiglia has always run strong in this Famiglia, and still does. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what I'm hinting about.

I'll post what I think I can post, when I think I can post it.

[Johnny1and1]

eta Snitch Pig and his kids plead guilty as mentioned previously and he was supposed to be sentenced on July 8th. There is no record of his incarceration yet, and there is some speculation. We know he threw his co-conspirators under the bus. At least I guess we know this as the only knowledge I have are news articles, court filings, etc. Which always fall to a distant second place for me as opposed to my knowledge.

Snitch Pig isn't related to Mix, Gatto, Truglia, et al., but it's an interesting side show due to the history.

This said, there are some interchangeable parts/players with Snitch Pig's co-conspirators down in SE Fla. I guess if someone wanted to research and call these guys associates a pretty good argument could be made. As it regards the Tampa guys (co-conspirators, possible associates) @sdeitche would know more than I would. I never hung out there much, and although I know who Snitch Pig is, I'd have no idea about his crew in this latest deal. Especially the Mexicans, or whoever they were from Tampa. I think I do recognize some names from SE Fla though. I'm not 100% sure about that as that was a while back.

What I do know about Snitch Pig, and this is probably publicly available, or will eventually be, he plead to one count and everything else was dismissed. Downward departure. Like Father, like son, they all took the easier, softer way.

[Johnny1and1]

A bit more on Patsy Truglia. Plead to counts 1-3 of the second superseding. The pending indictment and superseding indictment were dismissed.

Previously I had mentioned I wasn't sure if there were three or four indictments. That thought process (rumor?) appears to be accurate and I now think there are upwards of four to six current indictments, not all of which were reported and/or unsealed. To be fair, it's reasonable to assume many of these would have the same people, but it is possible there could be some new names eventually. Not reckless speculation in my view.

$18.3MM restitution, and the Marshalls have already executed some liquidation of assets.

The three charges plead carry five years, and he got concurrent sentencing, but the BOP indicates a release of 2034. I actually did check on my "rumors" becuase this made me curious. I normally don't check on my "rumors", becuase I know my "rumors" aren't exactly "rumors." As near as I can tell, counts one and two are concurrent, and count three is consecutive. I think this explains what I was curious about. But I'm not sure. This is all based on speaking with an attorney friend who is familiar with what is going on, and pretty connected federal criminal matters, especially when certain names are involved. Again, I'm having conversations, and I don't start to question people like I work for CNN. They share with me becuase they understand what I was/am.

Regarding Gatto, his fate is definitely tied to Mix. Without explaining the obvious, this is something to watch going forward. These kinds of situations make people nervous. To be fair, Gatto has been tested. But the unknown isn't a fun place to be if you're the other guy.

Regarding Defonte and Cirri, I had thought they plead guilty early on. Because of this, which I might have posted previously, but I don't recall:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-nj/pr/two- ... ud-schemes

But this is from the Fed's, and is found on the internet, so based on what I've been hearing, I'm choosing not to believe it entirely, and believe my sources instead. Because my sources are spot on, and I trust them. I don't trust the Feds, or reporters, or anyone of that ilk, becuase their background would be a tad but different than my background. What I mean is I do believe they plead, but based on what I'm hearing and what I've found, I think there is more to the story. Also based on my experience of how the Feds always work up, never work down. I suspect their sentencing is going to be delayed, based on whether the Feds need them for Mix and Gatto. Again, I don't think this is reckless speculation, they plead early on, and no one can find their sentencing. Things that make a guy like me go hmmmmm.

I had posted once about Florida being the future, and someone took offense to that. I then made the comment about the percentage of the last several busts and their Florida ties. Someone took offense to that as well. So I then posted the numbers and the simple mathematical formula that showed the percentages thinking it is pretty difficult to argue against empirical data, but it still got argued against. I'm never going to post everything I know, and I'm never going to post in a majority of topics on this board, but I'd suggest that when I post, it must be becuase I think know something. Sorry if you can't verify this with Google searches. Life isn't all neat and clean, and I can tell you from first hand experience the life discussed on here is absolutely not neat and clean. I can tell you Feds, reporters and researchers don't always have it right. They don't have to. And sometimes they even lie.

So there is a bit more to this, and there are more indictments and players that I'm not aware of, or am unwilling to comment on now. I'm watching this with a lot of interest. I'm not in jeopardy, and I don't think anyone I'm close to is either. But it's always good to be aware of certain things.

I'll post more when and if I can. Capice?

[AntComello]

You got my head spinning reading the last few posts

[Johnny1and1]

Sorry about the head motion. I have some of that as well. Probably more than you do, for different reasons.

Another name involved in Trugs conspiracy is Paul Savastano. He's a pretty under the radar guy, so not sure what anyone can find on him. I naming him becuase he has appeared in a court filing. That's all I'm going to do for my own reasons.

The Fed's keep referring to the "Truglia faction." I mentioned this previously, and it is a curious choice of words. I asked about this last night at dinner, and I was told the federal information used these words consistently, and named Savastano and the Mexican. This is specifically regarding the second superseding information, and specifically for Trugs.

Unlike last time when we laughed about the usage of the phrase "Truglia faction", this time we didn't laugh. Because the attorney emailed us the second superseding information, and the Fed's referred to one or more conspirators. It didn't use the words unindicted co-conspirators, or unnamed co-conspirators, it specifically used the words one or more conspirators. Present tense, not past tense. And specifically didn't state unindicted. Words mean something in an indictment or information. Again, I'm not a huge fan of using the Fed's court documents as absolute proof as it regards topics that are debated on this board, becuase the Fed's only need to be accurate enough to get a conviction, and in my view based on my experience and what I know, a lot of their details are wildly inaccurate. But in the specific case of the word usage I'm posting about, that's an entirely different situation. This isn't the Feds mixing up rank, this is the Feds usage of words which might mean additional indictments. And they are usually accurate in this area.

Keep in mind we have seven years from the last date, not five years due the the charge and dollar amount. That gets moved if there is ongoing activity that is connected.

I can't predict the future, but based on what I'm hearing and what I've read, I suspect there will be additional news coming out of this.

I do have some supporting documents on the several different persons and indictments involved. I'm not sure how to post them, and several are 40 pages or longer. When I say supporting, they support what can be documented, not my other observations, which you are free to either believe or not. If anyone is interested and I can figure out an easy way to post these, I will. I might be the only person interested in this famiglia and thread though, not sure.

[Etna]

Wasn't Truglia already sentenced?

[Johnny1and1]

Savastano got 52 months, prison (camp) recommended location is So Fla. Was supposed to have surrendered in February, but I can't find on BOP inmate locator.

Camp is for shorter term sentences, guards don't have guns, and can go work outside the camp. Usually white collar, and usually for sentences below 10 years.

And in addition to not showing up on inmate locator, there are a bunch of sealed and delayed document filings. Delayed and sealed could mean several different things. But the timing is what has my attention. Accepted the plea August 2020, but wasn't filed until September 2020. Almost to the date September 2020, two sealed documents were also filed.

Keep in mind the dates that the Fed's announced Mix, Trugs, and the others, and note the date Savastano plead. Draw your own conclusions.

Hard to keep track of it all, head keeps spinning. But at this point there is evidence that this isn't a one off for Mix, but several conspiracies, and a boat load of gentlemen working in So Fla. To be fair, no way to prove who is made, who is an associate, etc.

[Johnny1and1]

Wasn't Truglia already sentenced?

Yeah, he's at FCI Texarkana. My post 88. I'm still on the Trugs thing becuase of the potential for additional charges on additional people. Which I have reason to believe there are already additional sealed and ongoing, and will be more to come.

It's hard to track. Mix got indicted in NJ and NY (2 separate incidents, but might be combined). Trugs got indicted in Florida. And Trugs was named in both NJ and NY in the Mix indictments plural.

Trugs cut a good deal, specifically the feds agreed to not indict him for anything additional as of the date of his plea.

[Etna]

How long did he get? I remember reading it was pretty stiff if I'm not mistaken.