Gambino 1980 Hierarchy

[bronx]

george decicco was made i believe a year later

[bronx]

i think a guy named charlie black from nj was with tony baker

[bronx]

jerry pipilo ciccone crew

[bronx]

paul robbie debella were with brown

[bronx]

buddy sciandra was never made

[bronx]

torregrossa's were on the shelf

[JohnnyS]

I think bronx is right about Ciccone being a captain. When scars flipped he said Ciccone had been a captain for over 20 years.

[JohnnyS]

And Scotto was doing a 5 year sentence around then so it makes sense Ciccone took over around 1980.

[HairyKnuckles]

Thanks guys for comments. CC will edit the chart.

CC, I edited some things, I put Gotti under Fatico as acting captain and moved the asterix to be in front of names in some places (my mistake when I wrote down the names). I hope you don´t mind.

Regarding Scotto/Ciccone...Ciccone was acting for Scotto since atleast 1980 so that could be the cause of the confusion. I don´t have a date on when Scotto was demoted but If you guys can provide one and the source we could edit the chart.

It looks like Joe Gambino could be one of the names that should be taken down from the captain´s list. But again, I don´t have the date when exactly he was demoted. All I know is he was in prison at the time (sentenced to 10 years back in 1977).

[Angelo Santino]

Thanks guys for comments. CC will edit the chart.

CC, I edited some things, I put Gotti under Fatico as acting captain and moved the asterix to be in front of names in some places (my mistake when I wrote down the names). I hope you don´t mind.

Regarding Scotto/Ciccone...Ciccone was acting for Scotto since atleast 1980 so that could be the cause of the confusion. I don´t have a date on when Scotto was demoted but If you guys can provide one and the source we could edit the chart.

It looks like Joe Gambino could be one of the names that should be taken down from the captain´s list. But again, I don´t have the date when exactly he was demoted. All I know is he was in prison at the time (sentenced to 10 years back in 1977).

I already made most of those changes. I contacted DiLeonardo about it and there were only a few things he disagreed with regarding the suggestions Super and Bronx put in.

The question now is Joe Gambino.

And I believe I read in Underboss that DiB was direct with the admin before Gotti promoted him to official capo. It seems like we're splitting hairs at that point. In 1980 he was with the admin, had no one under him and carried the weight and respect reserved for someone beyond "just a soldier."

[HairyKnuckles]

Thanks guys for comments. CC will edit the chart.

CC, I edited some things, I put Gotti under Fatico as acting captain and moved the asterix to be in front of names in some places (my mistake when I wrote down the names). I hope you don´t mind.

Regarding Scotto/Ciccone...Ciccone was acting for Scotto since atleast 1980 so that could be the cause of the confusion. I don´t have a date on when Scotto was demoted but If you guys can provide one and the source we could edit the chart.

It looks like Joe Gambino could be one of the names that should be taken down from the captain´s list. But again, I don´t have the date when exactly he was demoted. All I know is he was in prison at the time (sentenced to 10 years back in 1977).

I already made most of those changes. I contacted DiLeonardo about it and there were only a few things he disagreed with regarding the suggestions Super and Bronx put in.

The question now is Joe Gambino.

And I believe I read in Underboss that DiB was direct with the admin before Gotti promoted him to official capo. It seems like we're splitting hairs at that point. In 1980 he was with the admin, had no one under him and carried the weight and respect reserved for someone beyond "just a soldier."

Ok. If you decide to keep Joe Gambino on the captain´s list, perhaps you should put Thomas Gambino (Carlo´s son) under him. It looks like Thomas was put with him when he was made. So was his brother Joseph (not made though).

[Pogo The Clown]

Regarding Scotto/Ciccone...Ciccone was acting for Scotto since atleast 1980 so that could be the cause of the confusion. I don´t have a date on when Scotto was demoted but If you guys can provide one and the source we could edit the chart.

It is in Gravano's book. He mentions that Gotti demoted Scotto and eleven Ciccone to Capo. I believe it was at the same meeting that Gotti himself was elevated to Boss, DeCicco to UnderBoss and Gravano and Ruggiero to Capos. If not it was very soon afterwards. It was one of his first acts as Boss.


Pogo

[HairyKnuckles]

Regarding Scotto/Ciccone...Ciccone was acting for Scotto since atleast 1980 so that could be the cause of the confusion. I don´t have a date on when Scotto was demoted but If you guys can provide one and the source we could edit the chart.

It is in Gravano's book. He mentions that Gotti demoted Scotto and eleven Ciccone to Capo. I believe it was at the same meeting that Gotti himself was elevated to Boss, DeCicco to UnderBoss and Gravano and Ruggiero to Capos. If not it was very soon afterwards. It was one of his first acts as Boss.


Pogo

Yes I know, I was asking JohnnyS and bronx.

[JohnnyS]

I was just going off Scars saying Ciccone had been a captain for over 20 years when he flipped. My thinking is Scotto was in prison until '84, Ciccone was put in around 1980 and thanks to Pogo's info from Gravano's book which I forgot about Gotti made it official and demoted Scotto in 1986.

[Angelo Santino]

I was just going off Scars saying Ciccone had been a captain for over 20 years when he flipped. My thinking is Scotto was in prison until '84, Ciccone was put in around 1980 and thanks to Pogo's info from Gravano's book which I forgot about Gotti made it official and demoted Scotto in 1986.

That was one of the things DiLeonardo confirmed when I asked- Ciccone replacing Scotto.

---- (Below isn't in response to you JohnnyS but just in general, my own thoughts)----

I think of it, from an outsider perspective, like watching the Sopranos and following the Barese crew when Albert replaces Larry (for a time.) It's not specified that Albert was acting, in S4 Tony says "you guys got the top tier positions." I imagine in real life if you're not part of that crew or specifically ask, you're not going to know the full details unless you're in a high enough position that its something you deal with.

I imagine if one of us became a member and we're in a Brooklyn crew and we inquired about Joe Bronx Gambino and asked specifics like when did he become a captain? How many members does he have under them? Who did he take over from? I imagine those around us would look at the person asking and wonder why does this person care? And then imagine if next week JG Bronx gets arrested and people are wondering what happened and if came back "well so and so was asking all of these questions last week." The suspicion would fall on the person asking. In the mob I think you find out info by being around it rather than asking questions which could be potentially dangerous. Remember Joe Pistone used to wander away when guys would start whispering until they told him to stay.