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newera_212 wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:55 pm
outfit guy wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:27 pm It means the crews are elderly old men. Even FBI surveillance confirmed everyone over 60 that showed. Who are they?
When it comes to the bigger byzantine rackets like dockwork, construction, the buildings trade, things like that... what the Genovese is now known for, in NYC and NJ there's such a weird, old culture entrenched that even on the 100% legitimate side, it's still a tight circle & good old boys club... who else but middle aged or even elderly men? These guys are plugged in and can navigate that world. Rackets that go beyond drugs, fraud, and muscle that require that old fashioned NYC grift are perfect for these guys.

Plus you gotta think a lot of these made guys, especially in the genovese, we see them as 'lowly' soliders here on a simple chart, but in the real world a lot are bosses in their own right. they have people under them, jumping when they say jump, opening doors, picking up tabs, are known.

Lastly, while there's prob a good amount of guys on these charts in their 70s and 80s who aren't working, you gotta think that the ones who ARE are true believers. Using genovese guys as an example if they're making guys in there 50s or 60s, almost always those guys have been "active" since they were teenagers. They rode with it for that long there's way less of a chance they'll be flipping, doing dumb shit, not knowing how to navigate the politics, etc. it's weird but seems like a surefire strategy
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The power of the Genovese family in N.J. died with Tino and the imprisonment of Coppola. I mean, you have a slob adult dancing club owner openly talking and nothing happens. Honestly!
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Wiseguy wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:05 pm
outfit guy wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:27 pm It means the crews are elderly old men. Even FBI surveillance confirmed everyone over 60 that showed. Who are they?
Who showed where? What are you talking about?

Anyway, 60's, 70's, that's prime age for LCN made guys. Though that's not to say there aren't younger guys available. The question is one of activity.
An anonymous LE made the statement in surveilling the wake of ILA member. The only identified Genovese Family attendee under 50 was Coppola's step-son.
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outfit guy wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:50 am The power of the Genovese family in N.J. died with Tino and the imprisonment of Coppola. I mean, you have a slob adult dancing club owner openly talking and nothing happens. Honestly!
Is this a feeble attempt at trolling or what?
outfit guy wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:52 amAn anonymous LE made the statement in surveilling the wake of ILA member. The only identified Genovese Family attendee under 50 was Coppola's step-son.
First, who shows up at a wake isn't necessarily reflective of everyone in a crew. Second, in terms of average age of their members, the Genovese family is the oldest in NY. It hasn't exactly stopped them from remaining on top.
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Wiseguy wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:10 pmSecond, in terms of average age of their members, the Genovese family is the oldest in NY. It hasn't exactly stopped them from remaining on top.
The long apprenticeship they make their prospective members serve is actually one of the reasons they are on top.

Few and far between are the 20-30 year olds with buttons from the westside.
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johnny_scootch wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:26 am
Wiseguy wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:10 pmSecond, in terms of average age of their members, the Genovese family is the oldest in NY. It hasn't exactly stopped them from remaining on top.
The long apprenticeship they make their prospective members serve is actually one of the reasons they are on top.

Few and far between are the 20-30 year olds with buttons from the westside.
Only a few people get made between 20-30, most get made 30-40 but Genovese guys take 10-15+ years only take the most standup/highest standard that’s why they have so very few inducted members flipping
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Wiseguy wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:10 pm
outfit guy wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:50 am The power of the Genovese family in N.J. died with Tino and the imprisonment of Coppola. I mean, you have a slob adult dancing club owner openly talking and nothing happens. Honestly!
Is this a feeble attempt at trolling or what?
outfit guy wrote: Sun Sep 20, 2020 7:52 amAn anonymous LE made the statement in surveilling the wake of ILA member. The only identified Genovese Family attendee under 50 was Coppola's step-son.
First, who shows up at a wake isn't necessarily reflective of everyone in a crew. Second, in terms of average age of their members, the Genovese family is the oldest in NY. It hasn't exactly stopped them from remaining on top.
Believe as you wish. Unless you're wholesaling narcotics, not a lot out there. The Lottery, Sport Betting, Poker and even Purchasing a Dinner Date (Escort) are legal.
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newera_212 wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:55 pm
outfit guy wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:27 pm It means the crews are elderly old men. Even FBI surveillance confirmed everyone over 60 that showed. Who are they?
When it comes to the bigger byzantine rackets like dockwork, construction, the buildings trade, things like that... what the Genovese is now known for, in NYC and NJ there's such a weird, old culture entrenched that even on the 100% legitimate side, it's still a tight circle & good old boys club... who else but middle aged or even elderly men? These guys are plugged in and can navigate that world. Rackets that go beyond drugs, fraud, and muscle that require that old fashioned NYC grift are perfect for these guys.

Plus you gotta think a lot of these made guys, especially in the genovese, we see them as 'lowly' soliders here on a simple chart, but in the real world a lot are bosses in their own right. they have people under them, jumping when they say jump, opening doors, picking up tabs, are known.

Lastly, while there's prob a good amount of guys on these charts in their 70s and 80s who aren't working, you gotta think that the ones who ARE are true believers. Using genovese guys as an example if they're making guys in there 50s or 60s, almost always those guys have been "active" since they were teenagers. They rode with it for that long there's way less of a chance they'll be flipping, doing dumb shit, not knowing how to navigate the politics, etc. it's weird but seems like a surefire strategy
Well said and the below NJ bust describes what you laid out. Good soldiers with tentacles everywhere that have their own strong crew all on the DL.

Here is a largely unknown DL soldier running a $4m shark book and hundreds million check cashing, port trucking co bust outs and with how secretive they are he probably had all kinds of other shit.

I don’t believe they still aren’t active on the docks. My boy that works there got took for a $60K stock scam just a few years ago by some knuckleheads there. Obviously not like back in the day but my $ says they have all kinds of shit going on. That area is still in the 80s


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outfit guy wrote: Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:31 amBelieve as you wish. Unless you're wholesaling narcotics, not a lot out there. The Lottery, Sport Betting, Poker and even Purchasing a Dinner Date (Escort) are legal.
I think you're projecting your own Outfit frustrations outward. I could show you 20 years of Genovese indictments that show otherwise.

They've declined too, albeit the least of all the families, but the picture you're trying to paint of old men with little going on is not reality.
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