mafiastudent wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:19 pmFirst of all, it isn't about defending anyone. No matter who it is everyone has a right to a fair and impartial trial. If the government has the evidence they shouldn't have to fabricate and misrepresent evidence or frame people to make their case.
This is where you are full of shit. And anyone who's read enough of your posts can see it. You act like it's about "everyone getting a fair and impartial trial" but this is really about mob guys getting what you consider to be a fair and impartial trial. You can wrap yourself in the flag and pretend it's more than that but you're not fooling anyone.
Secondly, if you feel so strongly about this, why are you on a board devoted to this subject and why do you spend time researching these "criminals" in the first place?
Because the mob, and organized crime in general, is a fascinating subject. But that doesn't mean I try to defend or justify these guys. Or forget they're the bad guys.
mafiastudent wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 12:19 pmFirst of all, it isn't about defending anyone. No matter who it is everyone has a right to a fair and impartial trial. If the government has the evidence they shouldn't have to fabricate and misrepresent evidence or frame people to make their case.
This is where you are full of shit. And anyone who's read enough of your posts can see it. You act like it's about "everyone getting a fair and impartial trial" but this is really about mob guys getting what you consider to be a fair and impartial trial. You can wrap yourself in the flag and pretend it's more than that but you're not fooling anyone.
Secondly, if you feel so strongly about this, why are you on a board devoted to this subject and why do you spend time researching these "criminals" in the first place?
Because the mob, and organized crime in general, is a fascinating subject. But that doesn't mean I try to defend or justify these guys. Or forget they're the bad guys.
Does that include all the informants you ask questions of? Even though they're known liars with very bad criminal pasts? Do you discredit them as well? Or is their word gospel to you because they're "reformed"?
Also mob guys are considered everyone. And since, like you, I'm interested in the subject, that's what I focus on. I look at the full picture...not just one side or the side the media feeds me.
mafiastudent wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 3:35 pmDoes that include all the informants you ask questions of? Even though they're known liars with very bad criminal pasts? Do you discredit them as well? Or is their word gospel to you because they're "reformed"?
Also mob guys are considered everyone. And since, like you, I'm interested in the subject, that's what I focus on. I look at the full picture...not just one side or the side the media feeds me.
Everyone knows informers are criminals. John Q. Citizen isn't going to have much inside knowledge on mafiosi. But, when they flip, they make a deal to divulge everything. Lying to the government can kill their deal. To some of them still lie? Yes. Should anyone really care about criminals lying to help put away other criminals? Not unless they have an agenda or nothing better to do.
mafiastudent wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 3:35 pmDoes that include all the informants you ask questions of? Even though they're known liars with very bad criminal pasts? Do you discredit them as well? Or is their word gospel to you because they're "reformed"?
Also mob guys are considered everyone. And since, like you, I'm interested in the subject, that's what I focus on. I look at the full picture...not just one side or the side the media feeds me.
Everyone knows informers are criminals. John Q. Citizen isn't going to have much inside knowledge on mafiosi. But, when they flip, they make a deal to divulge everything. Lying to the government can kill their deal. To some of them still lie? Yes. Should anyone really care about criminals lying to help put away other criminals? Not unless they have an agenda or nothing better to do.
"Lying to the government can kill their deal." I have to laugh. I thought you were a Wiseguy?
While DiNapoli and his brothers werent ever directly tied to any murders, especially atrocious murders of innocent citizens like some other mobsters, they played a big part in making the city an expensive and hard place to live for the working average person. The way the DiNapoli's weaseled their way into every aspect of the construction industry while simultaneously ripping off hud, the state and the city are the reasons why building in NY is what it is, and all those costs get kicked down to the consumer. It would literally be impossible to calculate the restitution he should pay for 40+ years of crimes. The only reason i dont Want to say "fuck em, let 'em rot in prison" is because if it weren't the DaNapoli's than there would have been dozens of others to do the same, but Joe DaNapoli isn't a sweet old jovial innocent man
newera_212 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 7:13 pm
While DiNapoli and his brothers werent ever directly tied to any murders, especially atrocious murders of innocent citizens like some other mobsters, they played a big part in making the city an expensive and hard place to live for the working average person. The way the DiNapoli's weaseled their way into every aspect of the construction industry while simultaneously ripping off hud, the state and the city are the reasons why building in NY is what it is, and all those costs get kicked down to the consumer. It would literally be impossible to calculate the restitution he should pay for 40+ years of crimes. The only reason i dont Want to say "fuck em, let 'em rot in prison" is because if it weren't the DaNapoli's than there would have been dozens of others to do the same, but Joe DaNapoli isn't a sweet old jovial innocent man
No one saying he's an innocent man, but there's a crisis and he's being denied compassionate release because of a biased judge. Home confinement until the crisis is over for him to get the proper medical care isn't unreasonable.
newera_212 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 7:13 pm
While DiNapoli and his brothers werent ever directly tied to any murders, especially atrocious murders of innocent citizens like some other mobsters, they played a big part in making the city an expensive and hard place to live for the working average person. The way the DiNapoli's weaseled their way into every aspect of the construction industry while simultaneously ripping off hud, the state and the city are the reasons why building in NY is what it is, and all those costs get kicked down to the consumer. It would literally be impossible to calculate the restitution he should pay for 40+ years of crimes. The only reason i dont Want to say "fuck em, let 'em rot in prison" is because if it weren't the DaNapoli's than there would have been dozens of others to do the same, but Joe DaNapoli isn't a sweet old jovial innocent man
mafiastudent wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 7:18 pm
No one saying he's an innocent man, but there's a crisis and he's being denied compassionate release because of a biased judge. Home confinement until the crisis is over for him to get the proper medical care isn't unreasonable.
Biased Judge?
Serious question, why don’t you attribute Joe DiNapoli with any responsibility for where he is?
Try it like this, who’s more responsible for where joe dinapoli is? Joe Dinapoli or the Judge?
And no ‘but’ answers. I don’t want to see ‘I’m not saying he’s innocent but...’
mafiastudent wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 7:18 pm
No one saying he's an innocent man, but there's a crisis and he's being denied compassionate release because of a biased judge. Home confinement until the crisis is over for him to get the proper medical care isn't unreasonable.
Biased Judge?
Serious question, why don’t you attribute Joe DiNapoli with any responsibility for where he is?
Try it like this, who’s more responsible for where joe dinapoli is? Joe Dinapoli or the Judge?
And no ‘but’ answers. I don’t want to see ‘I’m not saying he’s innocent but...’
The judge is biased period. No matter what he did, it should be based on this current crisis and his health conditions and age. Period. Siebel isn't a fair and impartial judge on any case and should get off the bench. Period.
mafiastudent wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 7:18 pm
No one saying he's an innocent man, but there's a crisis and he's being denied compassionate release because of a biased judge. Home confinement until the crisis is over for him to get the proper medical care isn't unreasonable.
Biased Judge?
Serious question, why don’t you attribute Joe DiNapoli with any responsibility for where he is?
Try it like this, who’s more responsible for where joe dinapoli is? Joe Dinapoli or the Judge?
And no ‘but’ answers. I don’t want to see ‘I’m not saying he’s innocent but...’
The judge is biased period. No matter what he did, it should be based on this current crisis and his health conditions and age. Period. Siebel isn't a fair and impartial judge on any case and should get off the bench. Period.
In fact, if you'd like I can give you a history of her NON OC cases to show her bias. Then you can make a more educated decision.
mafiastudent wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 7:18 pm
No one saying he's an innocent man, but there's a crisis and he's being denied compassionate release because of a biased judge. Home confinement until the crisis is over for him to get the proper medical care isn't unreasonable.
Biased Judge?
Serious question, why don’t you attribute Joe DiNapoli with any responsibility for where he is?
Try it like this, who’s more responsible for where joe dinapoli is? Joe Dinapoli or the Judge?
And no ‘but’ answers. I don’t want to see ‘I’m not saying he’s innocent but...’
The judge is biased period. No matter what he did, it should be based on this current crisis and his health conditions and age. Period. Siebel isn't a fair and impartial judge on any case and should get off the bench. Period.
No, it shouldn't be based on the current crisis and his age. The virus isn't some excuse to get out of prison, even temporarily. And something tells me that, even without the pandemic, you'd find some other reason to defend him.
mafiastudent wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 7:18 pm
No one saying he's an innocent man, but there's a crisis and he's being denied compassionate release because of a biased judge. Home confinement until the crisis is over for him to get the proper medical care isn't unreasonable.
Biased Judge?
Serious question, why don’t you attribute Joe DiNapoli with any responsibility for where he is?
Try it like this, who’s more responsible for where joe dinapoli is? Joe Dinapoli or the Judge?
And no ‘but’ answers. I don’t want to see ‘I’m not saying he’s innocent but...’
The judge is biased period. No matter what he did, it should be based on this current crisis and his health conditions and age. Period. Siebel isn't a fair and impartial judge on any case and should get off the bench. Period.
No, it shouldn't be based on the current crisis and his age. The virus isn't some excuse to get out of prison, even temporarily. And something tells me that, even without the pandemic, you'd find some other reason to defend him.
No matter what I say and no matter what you say, we're not going to agree...so I think at this point we should just agree to disagree.
mafiastudent wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 7:18 pm
No one saying he's an innocent man, but there's a crisis and he's being denied compassionate release because of a biased judge. Home confinement until the crisis is over for him to get the proper medical care isn't unreasonable.
Biased Judge?
Serious question, why don’t you attribute Joe DiNapoli with any responsibility for where he is?
Try it like this, who’s more responsible for where joe dinapoli is? Joe Dinapoli or the Judge?
And no ‘but’ answers. I don’t want to see ‘I’m not saying he’s innocent but...’
The judge is biased period. No matter what he did, it should be based on this current crisis and his health conditions and age. Period. Siebel isn't a fair and impartial judge on any case and should get off the bench. Period.
In fact, if you'd like I can give you a history of her NON OC cases to show her bias. Then you can make a more educated decision.
mafiastudent wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 7:18 pm
No one saying he's an innocent man, but there's a crisis and he's being denied compassionate release because of a biased judge. Home confinement until the crisis is over for him to get the proper medical care isn't unreasonable.
Biased Judge?
Serious question, why don’t you attribute Joe DiNapoli with any responsibility for where he is?
Try it like this, who’s more responsible for where joe dinapoli is? Joe Dinapoli or the Judge?
And no ‘but’ answers. I don’t want to see ‘I’m not saying he’s innocent but...’
You ask a question but want to set limits for an answer.
