Tony Accardo's Desk and Conference Table (Update Page 8 FBI Bill Roemer)

[Frank]

I had thought that maybe Ferriola was the acting boss for awhile, but it doesn't make sense, since the Outfit knew Aiuppa and Cerone were going to get prison time, that they wouldn't have a plan on who the new boss and underboss would be. There is 3 guys that say Carlisi was boss, 2 made, 1 high ranking associate. This is not to say that Ferriola wasn't a powerful leader in the Outfit, but not the boss. I think with the Feds wrongly identifying him as boss, and him being put in charge of handling the hit, kind of brings us back to this confusion.

[Frank]

Wasn't there some info that states that both Tony Spillotro and Chuckie English, separately, visited with Accardo, trying to get his approval to be the new boss.

[FriendofFamily]

I had thought that maybe Ferriola was the acting boss for awhile, but it doesn't make sense, since the Outfit knew Aiuppa and Cerone were going to get prison time, that they wouldn't have a plan on who the new boss and underboss would be. There is 3 guys that say Carlisi was boss, 2 made, 1 high ranking associate. This is not to say that Ferriola wasn't a powerful leader in the Outfit, but not the boss. I think with the Feds wrongly identifying him as boss, and him being put in charge of handling the hit, kind of brings us back to this confusion.

Exactly

Maybe they were putting him in charge like I said and had to change their minds about it.

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[Confederate]

Maybe they started with Ferriola and realized he was too sick and/or couldn't handle it then, so they moved on Carlisi, but in a nice respectful way of transitioning.

I agree. There has to be a reason why Roemer said Ferriola was the Top Boss (at least for a short while) and Cullotta said what he did about Ferriola.

[Frank]

I had thought that maybe Ferriola was the acting boss for awhile, but it doesn't make sense, since the Outfit knew Aiuppa and Cerone were going to get prison time, that they wouldn't have a plan on who the new boss and underboss would be. There is 3 guys that say Carlisi was boss, 2 made, 1 high ranking associate. This is not to say that Ferriola wasn't a powerful leader in the Outfit, but not the boss. I think with the Feds wrongly identifying him as boss, and him being put in charge of handling the hit, kind of brings us back to this confusion.

Exactly

Maybe they were putting him in charge like I said and had to change their minds about it.

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I guess that is possible. That just possibly he was Boss for a little bit of time. I'm not sure what exact date Aiuppa and Cerone were taken off the streets. But a guy in Ferriola's own crew doesn't say he is or was boss, really makes me wonder. Not saying that it makes it a slam dunk, but what about the relationship between Aiuppa and Carlisi, and also the relationship between Cerone and DiFronzo?

[Frank]

Only the desk and conference table really know.

[FriendofFamily]

Only the desk and conference table really know.

That is a good one

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[Snakes]

I had thought that maybe Ferriola was the acting boss for awhile, but it doesn't make sense, since the Outfit knew Aiuppa and Cerone were going to get prison time, that they wouldn't have a plan on who the new boss and underboss would be. There is 3 guys that say Carlisi was boss, 2 made, 1 high ranking associate. This is not to say that Ferriola wasn't a powerful leader in the Outfit, but not the boss. I think with the Feds wrongly identifying him as boss, and him being put in charge of handling the hit, kind of brings us back to this confusion.

Exactly

Maybe they were putting him in charge like I said and had to change their minds about it.

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I guess that is possible. That just possibly he was Boss for a little bit of time. I'm not sure what exact date Aiuppa and Cerone were taken off the streets. But a guy in Ferriola's own crew doesn't say he is or was boss, really makes me wonder. Not saying that it makes it a slam dunk, but what about the relationship between Aiuppa and Carlisi, and also the relationship between Cerone and DiFronzo?

Aiuppa and Cerone were imprisoned in January, 1986.

[Frank]

One thing that we haven't considered is maybe Accardo didn't name a boss for a certain amount of time.

[Confederate]

One thing that we haven't considered is maybe Accardo didn't name a boss for a certain amount of time.

Based upon the History of The Outfit, they always had a plan for succession, especially in advance of trouble like prison time. I think it all comes down to which F.B.I. report you want to believe or which informant you want to believe because sometimes there is a difference of "opinion" about a certain subject as we have seen with the Outfit.

[Frank]

One thing that we haven't considered is maybe Accardo didn't name a boss for a certain amount of time.

Based upon the History of The Outfit, they always had a plan for succession, especially in advance of trouble like prison time. I think it all comes down to which F.B.I. report you want to believe or which informant you want to believe because sometimes there is a difference of "opinion" about a certain subject as we have seen with the Outfit.

Yes I'm just going to go by the Scarpelli, Calabrese, and Patrick info and stick with Carlisi succeeding Aiuppa. I think Ferriola was at first misidentified as boss. Also could have had a non traditional LCN position in the administration.Once I read in an old Chicago Sun Times article that he was promoted to oversee all Outfit gambling. The article was from the late 70s.

[Frank]

One thing that we haven't considered is maybe Accardo didn't name a boss for a certain amount of time.

Based upon the History of The Outfit, they always had a plan for succession, especially in advance of trouble like prison time. I think it all comes down to which F.B.I. report you want to believe or which informant you want to believe because sometimes there is a difference of "opinion" about a certain subject as we have seen with the Outfit.

Yes I'm just going to go by the Scarpelli, Calabrese, and Patrick info and stick with Carlisi succeeding Aiuppa. I think Ferriola was at first misidentified as boss. Also could have had a non traditional LCN position in the administration.Once I read in an old Chicago Sun Times article that he was promoted to oversee all Outfit gambling. The article was from the late 70s.

[Frank]

Also this article stated that with the promotion he was the #3 man in the organization. You can accept this info or not, but it might explain why Ferriola could be seen as next in line to be boss.

[FriendofFamily]

Also this article stated that with the promotion he was the #3 man in the organization. You can accept this info or not, but it might explain why Ferriola could be seen as next in line to be boss.

Yes - that make sense

I may have a chance to talk with someone over the next few months who was around that could help in leading us in the right direction...

[Confederate]

Also this article stated that with the promotion he was the #3 man in the organization. You can accept this info or not, but it might explain why Ferriola could be seen as next in line to be boss.

Yes - that make sense

I may have a chance to talk with someone over the next few months who was around that could help in leading us in the right direction...

I did find it interesting that Cullotta said Ferriola ordered the hit and that if Auippa had been out of Jail that Spilotro would never have been killed. I also found it interesting that Cullotta never even mentioned the fact that Spilotro was in Las Vegas because of Lombardo. He also said Auippa was only concerned about trying to get out of Jail and was not involved in Spilotro being killed because they were close. That in itself does sound like a contradiction in logic because I thought the ENTIRE reason Spilotro got killed was BECAUSE Auippa/Cerone went to Jail.
One thing we can say for sure is that different stories and explanations about The Outfit are often filled with illogical "mysteries". lol