Wiseguy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:32 pm
This is what I mean. Bert has nothing. Zero. Zip. Nada. He acts like he's got volumes of evidence to prove his case but doesn't put up anything. The best he can do is desperately Google some irrelevant article and pretend it says something it doesn't. And then he accuses others of refusing to admit they're wrong.
I have a lot, you can't face facts. You deal in fantasy. I don't look to accuse others, it's you who is making accusations. As for irrelevant, it's not, you just can't take facts. Go back to your whiskey bottle.
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:32 pm
This is what I mean. Bert has nothing. Zero. Zip. Nada. He acts like he's got volumes of evidence to prove his case but doesn't put up anything. The best he can do is desperately Google some irrelevant article and pretend it says something it doesn't. And then he accuses others of refusing to admit they're wrong.
Meanwhile you still come up empty on the Jewish mob. Wiseguy has nothing. Zero. Zip. Nada. He acts like he's got volumes of evidence to prove his case but doesn't put up anything.
Rat wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:48 pm
Back to the Jewish mob though, how organized was the Jewish mob? Did they have their own gangs/organizations or was it more of a network of Jewish criminals?
A bit of the 2 I think. It's a bunch of gangs and as they get to know each other, work together like Brownsville Boys & Lepke's gang. The only thing I'm sure of is that even if they are organized, they are not as hierarchical as the Italians. For me Jewish gangs, I thought about French gangs of the 30/60's: a group of men who know each other and it is those who have the biggest cock or the most political support that dominates
SonnyBlackstein wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:47 pm
Wiseguy you’ve created a golem
More like Dan 2.0. Slighy improved grammar, many of the same absurd viewpoints.
Again with the same thing. You can't take facts, or being told you are wrong.
I really haven't seen any facts that indicate Asian or Russian OC groups have surpassed LCN in the East Coast
I never mentioned Russians, I have never believed they. are anything in America. Asians are big, but for the most part left alone. I put up a link earlier on them.
Bert, what Wiseguy is asking for is a link that makes it very clear the Asian groups have surpassed the Mafia on the East Coast. It’s no use posting a link which says the Asian groups are large, because we already know that. What you are arguing, and what Wiseguy is disagreeing, is that the Asian groups are now larger and more powerful on the East Coast than La Cosa Nostra. 1988 was 30 years ago.
Wiseguy is not asking for an illegal gambling bust. He is looking for an article which shows that Asian gangs have surpassed the Mafia in terms of strength and influence. Where, in the article you posted, does it show that?
From what I read, the article you posted shows that the FBI busted a small organized crime group which hosted poker games at one location, and was involved in drug dealing. The group “cast a shadow of violence” over the Chinese-dominated neighbourhoods of Brooklyn that it operated in.
See? I could give 100 links, you would say the same as wisely, so you look yourself, or keep quiet and mind your business. Or come so New York again and go around snooping on Asians this time. Or try going to visit El Chapo and asking him. People ask for. link, then say it does not matter. You have anything to add on Jewish gangsters, or are you just stirring thing up for your friend?
Bert, I wasn't trying to attack you. I have no stake in this argument. It just seemed to me that you didn't understand what Wiseguy was asking for. He was asking for an article which proved that the Asian gangs had surpassed the Mafia in terms of power. I tried explaining that to you. Then, you responded by posting a link about one small Asian gang hosting a card game and selling pills in certain Asian neighborhoods in Brooklyn. So either you still don't understand what Wiseguy wants you to prove, or you know you don't have anything to go on so you're posting articles which don't prove anything beyond the fact that Asian gangs are a viable organized crime threat.
See what I'm saying? You say "I could post 100 links and you wouldn't budge" but you're ignoring the fact that none of your articles have actually proved anything beyond the fact that, yes, there are Asian gangs and, yes, they are involved in illegal gambling and other organized crime in certain Asian neighborhoods. Great. Show us an article which proves Asian gangs have surpassed the Mafia in terms of strength and influence.
Mororfab, agreed! I think you’re correct, like the corsicans (think French connection and Marseilles), they,
Like the Jewish gangs. We’re organized, but a small and looser knit structure. Of course they’re was a boss, right hand Man, couple of key guys (similar to a lieutenants), but that’s probably about it. And because of their ethnic background were drawn to each other. If you notice, 90% of gangs, mobs, etc., are based along ethnic lines..... birds of a feather you know!
Yes wiseguy, most Jewish sons did not follow their fathers in the mob..... a good example would be Max (The Jew) Schrager’s Son Ian Schrager, who took his fathers money and parlayed it into real estate, hotels, and the famed Studio 54 (partnering with Steve Rubell). Today Ian operates hotels in Miami etc. (Max Schrager was a large numbers racketeer in NY close to/partners with Meyer Lansky).
Maxie Small precision for the French Connection: In the beginning, from the 30s until the mid-60s, it is strictly reserved for the Corsicans who dominate organized crime in France at that time. Contrary to what John Cusack (an agent of the Bureau of Narcotics) said, they were not very organized groups, but alliances that were made according to needs and connections with the US. In fact he said that to the newspapers only to get things moving that were stuck in France. He even invented the concept of Union Corse (it does not exist). However from 64 with the murder of Antoine Guerini, the market will open to the mainland. Virtually all gangsters were drug traffickers at the time. Basically everything is going to break the mouth around 1972 where the authorities will move their ass. I made a chart on the Middle Corsica if you're curious (the first is not very accurate) and I made a topic on it in the mugshots section. Here I stop for the off-topic, we can continue on the Jews mob
And to come back to the topic, the guy who was bringing Lepke Heroin was Jean-Paul Stefani
Rat wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:48 pm
Back to the Jewish mob though, how organized was the Jewish mob? Did they have their own gangs/organizations or was it more of a network of Jewish criminals?
A bit of the 2 I think. It's a bunch of gangs and as they get to know each other, work together like Brownsville Boys & Lepke's gang. The only thing I'm sure of is that even if they are organized, they are not as hierarchical as the Italians. For me Jewish gangs, I thought about French gangs of the 30/60's: a group of men who know each other and it is those who have the biggest cock or the most political support that dominates
motorfab, great stuff, but I think something got lost in translation in your last sentence.
Rat wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:48 pm
Back to the Jewish mob though, how organized was the Jewish mob? Did they have their own gangs/organizations or was it more of a network of Jewish criminals?
A bit of the 2 I think. It's a bunch of gangs and as they get to know each other, work together like Brownsville Boys & Lepke's gang. The only thing I'm sure of is that even if they are organized, they are not as hierarchical as the Italians. For me Jewish gangs, I thought about French gangs of the 30/60's: a group of men who know each other and it is those who have the biggest cock or the most political support that dominates
motorfab, great stuff, but I think something got lost in translation in your last sentence.
"it is those who have the biggest cock"
Don't panic, it's not a gay thing . It makes sense in my language but may not be in English. It basically means "who has the most guts"
Rat wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:48 pm
Back to the Jewish mob though, how organized was the Jewish mob? Did they have their own gangs/organizations or was it more of a network of Jewish criminals?
A bit of the 2 I think. It's a bunch of gangs and as they get to know each other, work together like Brownsville Boys & Lepke's gang. The only thing I'm sure of is that even if they are organized, they are not as hierarchical as the Italians. For me Jewish gangs, I thought about French gangs of the 30/60's: a group of men who know each other and it is those who have the biggest cock or the most political support that dominates
motorfab, great stuff, but I think something got lost in translation in your last sentence.
"it is those who have the biggest cock"
Don't panic, it's not a gay thing . It makes sense in my language but may not be in English. It basically means "who has the most guts"
Thanks I knew it couldn't be a gay thing, I figure it was a translation issue. In the states we say guys, I did not know about the other term. Just be careful if you come to America and use the term, it would lead to a serious misunderstanding.
maxiestern11 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:32 pm
But one that Cosa Nostra, over hundreds of years developed, AND sustained! Not the Japanese Yakuza, Chinese Triads, Russian thieves in law, Hispanic mobs (Cubans, Mexicans, Colombians, etc), Jewish mobs, Irish, etc etc
the first official documents (not legends or speculations) about sicilian mafia were written in the early 1800s, camorra too, ndrangheta in the late 1800s
yakuza and triads the same, despite somebody claim they were around for several centuries there is not any official proof they existed before 1800s, triads were probably formed in the middle 1800s and yakuza in the late 1800s
....some form (rudimentary though it may have been), is alleged to have been traced much earlier. I do not have the exact age, but I believe (if memory serves me, I am getting older lol) that a precursor dates back to the 1600’s-1700’s. Either in Naples, Calabria or Sicily... a brotherhood type association for common benefit and defense
. It makes sense in my language but may not be in English. It basically means "who has the most guts"