Chicago Outfit Lineage Chart 1928-2017

[Frank]

Roughly 1998 to 2002

Before I found out from you guys that Tornabene was boss after Monteleone, I had thought it was Addriacchi. I must of seen that somewhere. It always seems not right that he would go from Boss to Underboss. But basically he is the only info out there that was Underboss from 2003 to 2009.

[Frank]

@Snakes
Why isn't Auippa listed as an underboss at some point?? Had to be before becoming Top Boss. Maybe like 68 to somewhere in the early 70's?

Why does he have to be? They Boss and Underboss were indicted and sentenced to prison. Then he rose from Capo to boss on a panel then to boss.

[Confederate]

@Snakes
Why isn't Auippa listed as an underboss at some point?? Had to be before becoming Top Boss. Maybe like 68 to somewhere in the early 70's?

Why does he have to be? They Boss and Underboss were indicted and sentenced to prison. Then he rose from Capo to boss on a panel then to boss.

Auippa was older and of higher stature than Nicoletti according to what I read in the late 60's and early 70's. Nicoletti then got killed in '77.

[Villain]

My personal opinion, which is created from numerous infos regarding the years of 1964/65 and 66, about the Phil Alderisio/Jack Cerone situation is this:

After the death of Frank Ferraro in 64, Battaglia and Cerone fought for the underboss position, with Battaglia winning the conflict. Even though Cerone got the backing from Ricca and Accardo, still somehow Giancanas underling, meaning Battaglia, received the position.

That same year, Ferraro's or the former underboss' old territory the First Ward, the Loop and Near South Side was taken over by Phil Alderisio, the captain of the Melrose Park area, who in turn was Battaglias number two. Even though Alderisio sometimes received advices and orders from Gus Alex, still he, meaning Alderisio, was considered the official boss of the First Ward and Battaglias or the underboss' overseer in that area, which was a kind of tradition that went way back.

In 1965, Giancana went to jail and Battaglia became the acting boss, but he wasnt followed by Cerone according to seniority, but instead he was follwed by Alderisio who in turn that same year and the next one, became the guy who took Battaglias previous job by being the main contact with the rest of the LCN bosses, including Tampa, Milwaukee, St Louis, Kansas City, New York etc.

When Battaglia went to prison in 67, Cerone again received the previous backing from Ricca and Accardo and became the official boss, followed by Alderisio who this time had less backing since most of his top suporters were in jail or out of the country

So my point is that Cerone was never the underboss previous of becoming the boss, same as Joey Aiuppa. In addition, everything which i previously stated is well documented and i can provide those infos quite easily since everything can be found in the MF site.

[Snakes]

Aiuppa was named as underboss in the Family Secrets indictment.

[Villain]

Aiuppa was named as underboss in the Family Secrets indictment.

During which period?

[Snakes]

He was just named as an underboss along with Cerone. No time period specified. I am assuming they mean when Accardo was briefly boss during the time period between Cerone's imprisonment and Aiuppa becoming the sole boss.

[Frank]

He was just named as an underboss along with Cerone. No time period specified. I am assuming they mean when Accardo was briefly boss during the time period between Cerone's imprisonment and Aiuppa becoming the sole boss.

I'm not saying Calebrese is totally wrong, but that was way back when he was an associate and just starting out. Being on the panel, Aiuppa probably had the duties of the traditional Underboss. So when Calebrese thinks back he describes him as Underboss. But the evidence Villain provided for that time period clearly states a ruling panel. But your right Confederate Aiuppa would outrank Nicoletti at that time. Aiuppa was a ruling panel member and Nicoletti be wasn't. That's just my opinion based on evidence.

[Snakes]

He was just named as an underboss along with Cerone. No time period specified. I am assuming they mean when Accardo was briefly boss during the time period between Cerone's imprisonment and Aiuppa becoming the sole boss.

I'm not saying Calebrese is totally wrong, but that was way back when he was an associate and just starting out. Being on the panel, Aiuppa probably had the duties of the traditional Underboss. So when Calebrese thinks back he describes him as Underboss. But the evidence Villain provided for that time period clearly states a ruling panel. But your right Confederate Aiuppa would outrank Nicoletti at that time. Aiuppa was a ruling panel member and Nicoletti be wasn't. That's just my opinion based on evidence.

Half of the guys we described on the underboss list were never described as underboss, either. He couldn't be underboss and also be on the ruling panel? I think he could, particularly if Accardo was set on making him boss, especially after Ricca died.

[Frank]

He was just named as an underboss along with Cerone. No time period specified. I am assuming they mean when Accardo was briefly boss during the time period between Cerone's imprisonment and Aiuppa becoming the sole boss.

I'm not saying Calebrese is totally wrong, but that was way back when he was an associate and just starting out. Being on the panel, Aiuppa probably had the duties of the traditional Underboss. So when Calebrese thinks back he describes him as Underboss. But the evidence Villain provided for that time period clearly states a ruling panel. But your right Confederate Aiuppa would outrank Nicoletti at that time. Aiuppa was a ruling panel member and Nicoletti be wasn't. That's just my opinion based on evidence.

Half of the guys we described on the underboss list were never described as underboss, either. He couldn't be underboss and also be on the ruling panel? I think he could, particularly if Accardo was set on making him boss, especially after Ricca died.

I wasn't saying his position was Underboss, I was saying, Calebrese being a new associate at the time basically misidentified him as Underboss. He probably didn't know how else to describe his position. He knew he was a boss, but knew he wasn't the big boss. Like I say just my opinion. Because of the evidence of ruling panel at the time.

[Snakes]

It wasn't Calabrese, though. It was in the indictment. They could have gotten it from anywhere. They (the federal government) described the bosses during the time period (Accardo, Aiuppa, Carlisi, Monteleone - among others) and the underboss (Aiuppa, Cerone - among others).

[Frank]

It wasn't Calabrese, though. It was in the indictment. They could have gotten it from anywhere. They (the federal government) described the bosses during the time period (Accardo, Aiuppa, Carlisi, Monteleone - among others) and the underboss (Aiuppa, Cerone - among others).

Then I think it's law enforcement that puts that tag on him. Just to identify him as being below Accardo on ruling panel. It couldn't be before panel because Cerone was not listed in indictments as boss.

[Villain]

The same thing occurred during the late 60s when feds described Ricca and Accardo as joint bosses, Cerone as the underboss and Alderisio as the consiglieri, which we know wasnt true at all.

Again regarding the so-called underboss position, Alderisio was Battaglias number two from the moment the second became the acting boss in 65.

When Alderisio went to jail in 1970, the next year Nicoletti became the underboss by also receiving jurisdiction over the First Ward and strong-arm crews, same as his predecessors Ferraro and Alderisio, until 76 when Cerone took over. Theres a document from that same year which states that Aiuppa, Cerone and Alex were the most powerful members, with Accardo at the top.

[Snakes]

The same thing occurred during the late 60s when feds described Ricca and Accardo as joint bosses, Cerone as the underboss and Alderisio as the consiglieri, which we know wasnt true at all.

Yes, but this was back when they didn't have an accurate understanding of how the Outfit worked compared to other families, hence why they tried to apply the consigliere label to Alderisio. To their credit, at least, they surmised that this was only an estimate.

Again regarding the so-called underboss position, Alderisio was Battaglias number two from the moment the second became the acting boss in 65.

When Alderisio went to jail in 1970, the next year Nicoletti became the underboss by also receiving jurisdiction over the First Ward and strong-arm crews, same as his predecessors Ferraro and Alderisio, until 76 when Cerone took over. Theres a document from that same year which states that Aiuppa, Cerone and Alex were the most powerful members, with Accardo at the top.

The only problem I have with this is that they never outright said that either one (Alderisio or Nicoletti) was the underboss; merely powerful guys direct with the bosses. They used it before with Ferraro so why wouldn't they say it in the case of those two? We can certainly surmise that to be the case but do we really know for sure? If I have to be completely honest, I think the Outfit used the "underboss" position very sparingly.

Then again, this is where we agree to disagree. With a lot of the Outfit's history we have to deal with best guesses and estimations but also have to realize that by trying to make everything fit into a nice, neat line of succession we are almost trying to fit round pegs into square holes because they just did not operate that simply, purposefully or not.

[Villain]

Heres one doc which states that by the end of 1964 Alderisio took over the Loop area (Ferraros old territory) and was very close to Battaglia, the current underboss who was about to become the acting boss since at the time Giancana began having legal troubles which were about to land him in prison

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... risio_1965

So i really dont care on how you look or label the underboss or second in command who came after Giancana, but still this is a good evidence that Alderisio took Ferraros position, which means that we dont need any kind of label to confirm this. If someone took Giancanas position, that guy was the boss or was simply acting, no doubt about it.

Next document describes Alderisio as Goancanas "possible" successor

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... risio_1965

Although we know that in 65/66 Battaglia became the acting boss, but still it confirms that Alderisio was near the top.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... risio_boss

The next documents show Alderisios high level dealings...

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... risio_boss

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... risio_1966

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... hicago_lcn

Any more dilema?

As for Nicoletti, he was described as being up.there with Accardo, Alex and Aiuppa (top boss, adviser and boss) during the first half of the 70s in numerous files..here are at least three of them

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... letti_alex

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... letti_alex

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.htm ... letti_alex