Current Chicago Players 2020

[funkster]

IF theres still some top admin, then i bet my money that Cicero kept/keeps the number 1 spot, while Grand/EP comes second in line...that is obviously pure speculation, and as for guys like Solly D or Cataudella, IF they are still contacted regarding certain matters...and thats a big "if"...then they are probably senior advisors of sort

Few days ago i watched one old documentary regarding the commission trial and how the feds managed to bug their targets, and they also said that its not illegal to be a member of the Mafia unless that same individual did something wrong, like being involved in conspiracy. So later some goverment sources from the 90s said that the Mob (on national level) is slowly becoming a semi-legit enterprise that operates in a closed circle and its involved mostly in corruption...and to tell you the truth thats how i see todays Outfit

Agreed on this all the way. I know it's all speculation, but in the last ten years I believe we have enough indictments and cases to at least believe there is a smaller, streamlined outfit still in existence. If you take it to it's logical conclusion, most of these guys would be legit businessman, but that doesn't mean there can't be an outfit. Business still need financing and loans to get off the ground. Guys lending to other guys, utilizing political and law enforcement contacts to benefit when possible. That's the way any smart person would have gone in the last 30 years. On the fringes you still have all the old school street stuff happening with gambling, loansharking, burglary, all that stuff. Hell, we have enough cases with Grand Ave and Cicero in the past 5-10 years to prove that shit is still going on.

My bet...still a top admin. Just a different business model. Also...no way Solly D does all that time, is mentioned by Paulie K on wiretap in 2012, and spends all this time promoting a legit business (a front in my opinion), just to not get a taste of something nowadays. Senior Advisor/Top Boss, whatever you want to call it, makes sense to me. I guess Joe the Builder is still alive too...so he could be up there as well. Just like Johnny the Nose was "meeting old friends for pizza" during that ABC news piece in 2009. Yea freaking right. These dudes may mostly retire...but they are gangsters from a different time. This is their thing.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I will say Solly lives very well he’s got a big black jaguar and the rolly on the wrist. But he also owns an entire block of businesses in island lake besides the carpet cleaning he has a bar as well as other stuff. Maybe he keeps it very low key but the only thing he talks about all the time is spending time with his kids and grandkids. He’s 80 something he’s not out and about he’s home at nights. He will talk openly about being in the gambling business and casinos he had etc but it all seems to be telling old stories

Would the expectation be that he'd talk openly about Outfit shit to you or people that you know?

Of course not but he will talk old stories. Your guessing something based on something you read in some article. I said it’s possible he is but if he is he keeps it very low key. Your saying he’s the boss he wouldn’t get out after doing his time etc do you know him? What do you base your opinions besides gangster report? My guess based on factually based stuff is he is probably in some kind of adviser role very removed from day to day who’s consulted from time to time. His old running buddies are dead or very old. I challenge anyone to show one single thing of proof he’s the boss. And carparelli was a braggart throwing his name. And all he said was Solly was partners with Mickey and that was 8 years ago. Solly has tons of dough and is not Interested in going back to the can again I’m assuming that but based on facts. He’s like a typical grandpa talking about his grandkids etc. believe what you want tho some people wanna live in a fantasy world. Do you know island lake? It’s a little tiny town in lake county that’s where he lives and owns various businesses and properties. If gangster report was true and Dino mArino drives him around wouldn’t there be some proof of that? Go to his business any day I promise there’s a black jag in front and he’s in there working. The people who know, know, that’s good enough for me

What exactly am I guessing? Quote me where I say he's not retired and running things. I don't know, I don't pretend to have first hand knowledge.

If you can't see a difference with him shooting the shit telling old stories and talking about being an OC chieftain right now I don't know what else to tell you.

Your dodging a question, wouldn’t him talking about being in the gambling business and running casinos be talking outfit business? Of course he’s never gonna admit there is an outfit or he’s a member but if he’s talking about outfit operations ie gambling he’s talking outfit business. Or am I incorrect? And most people wouldn’t discuss being in illegal activities with someone they know casually unless they are out, that’s common sense or maybe I’m reading too much into it I don’t wanna argue my underlying theme and the reason for all this is the outfit that is written about on certain in news articles doesn’t exist. We did a list not that long ago there’s less than 10 confirmed members who are still active. That’s confirmed guys, I think there are made guys like Dino mArino who’s active but he isn’t confirmed made at least to us as that’s never been revealed by le. The majority of outfit activity by far is associates. Solly d retired, spano out, Joey a retired, matassa retired, Pete difronzo, the list goes on. The only heavyweights mentioned that are still in are vena and Jimmy I and Carusos although I didn’t see much mention of them.

I'm not sure what your anecdotal story proves one way or the other. But you keep us updated on your daily conversations with Solly message board Pete.

Again as I said I have no inside info and I don’t wanna come off as pretending I do so if that’s the vibe I apologize. My point was just I don’t see the things mentioned on gangster report etc. I’m just making observations from seeing him around. He very well could be the boss and he just stays super low key who knows? Definitely not me. Once again the only point I’ve been trying to make is all these old timers identified as being in leadership seem retired to me and I think the younger associates are the really active ones. Another point I was trying to make is I don’t necessarily think someone who doesn’t know him or has been around him is the best source for info. I just see such a difference between certain reports and the real world. But once again maybe I’m 100% wrong and If I am I’m cool with that I’m not trying to prove anything

Fair enough.

Following up on this, I have also heard that younger guys are the ones that are heavily involved these days. The question becomes how the structure is being handled now.

[electricslim]

I think its logical that Solly may have stepped back but keeps an interest in things or maybe just has a little money on the street that other guys are working for him. Jahoda had said that Solly was very observant of the mafia in NYC (he even reached out to Gravano to get Gotti's lawyer during the goodship lollipop indictments). I have to assume he read about Steve Crea, Matt Madona - all these old guys who have already lost decades behind bars now going back.

I also heard from a very reliable source that Solly blew his stack at his kid Vince over the Outfit facebook group a while back.

I am in that group too and Vince was a fairly active poster for a bit. He hasn't posted in quite some time, at this point.

[funkster]

I assume he was angry at Vince for commenting in there at all?

[PolackTony]

As an aside to the earlier convo about Panozzo jr, I was over by HSAC yesterday and it appears someone spray painted some Cnote graffiti on the street next to it.

Huron and Campbell used to be a (very active) C-Note section. I still have family in that immediate area and haven't heard about any Notes from that section in a while. Don't know if they're still operating or if the section was shelved. When I was a kind they had a mural on Huron just west of Campbell with a big Italian flag. Posted up on each corner (except for the NW corner where HSAC is) with dozens of soldiers with baseball bats etc. Those were very rough times in the neighborhood (80s/90s) but outsiders did not fuck around in Smith Park, despite the fact that Humboldt Park was a stones throw away and in that era HP was one of the most violent and gang-plagued parts of the city. For decades the Notes held the fort down against large PR and black gangs on all sides, and while they were deeply hated by many, they were also respected for their viciousness and Outfit connections.

[funkster]

According to Ukie Village facebook group, there's multiple cnote taggings in the area from over the weekend.

[PolackTony]

The most recent generation of C-Notes I knew personally were all younger Puerto Rican guys that turned C-Note in the 2000s. There actually used to be a C-Note section at Hirsch and Western (at what used to be Bismark's Subs) and they were plugged with some of the older heads from that section as well as Smith Park

If they're marking their territory actively now it's likely that they've been recruiting new generations of "shorties" from the neighborhood. I imagine they're almost all Latino at this point for the newer recruits. So far as I know their old enemies, the Huron and Hoyne ("Heaven and Hell") Latin Kings were deactivated some years back. They also fought a long and bloody war against the Satan's Disciples (Erie and Wood, Huron and Elizabeth) for many years, I'd imagine that continues to be an ongoing conflict.

As with all of the notorious gangs that have ruled the streets of the West Town/ Humboldt Park area since the 50s, they've been dealt a serious blow by their most fatal of enemies, rampant gentrification

[electricslim]

Still see red pitchforks turned down on the sides of buildings on Wood between Grand and Chicago, I think the red pitchfork turned upside down is anti-Satan's Disciples, put there by C-Notes. I don't know how close any SD's really are though.

Honestly there are not a whole lot of young people to draw from, at least in the section of the neighborhood I live in.

[PolackTony]

Still see red pitchforks turned down on the sides of buildings on Wood between Grand and Chicago, I think the red pitchfork turned upside down is anti-Satan's Disciples, put there by C-Notes. I don't know how close any SD's really are though.

Honestly there are not a whole lot of young people to draw from, at least in the section of the neighborhood I live in.

The pitchfork of course is also a symbol of the MLDS, GDs, SGDs. In that area it is almost certainly a sign of hostility to the SDS of course. There used to be an MLD section at Erie and Wood, and they also didn't get along with the C-Notes, but the EW MLDs were basically decommissioned back around ~2000 I believe. I lived on Huron over there about 20 years ago and at least then the SDs were still very much active at Huron/Erie and Wood. They probably still claim the territory and likely still have active sections at Huron and Ashland/Elizabeth. While the gentrification has greatly impacted the ability to conduct street level gangbanging type activities, it's also brought new opportunities for drug customers of course, and guys who no longer live in the area will still come back to hang out in the hood (much as with how Outfit guys used to un the neighborhood).

Also the red is incidental, it's just whatever color of spray paint the guy had handy at the time. The iconography is what's important, color much less so (Chicago gangs aren't like Bloods and Crips of course). The SDs colors are canary yellow and black, but if the C-Notes wanted to use a specifically color for their grafitti they'd use their own color -- green.

[Pete]

I assume he was angry at Vince for commenting in there at all?

Yeah he’s old school. Like I said he will talk about being in the gambling business etc and stuff like that but he absolutely gets pissed at any mention of the outfit. He still plays the card the outfit doesn’t exist he was just in with a group of Guys that ran gambling. The outfit is a myth no burning holy pictures oaths and so on. I’m surprised his son would discuss anything like that. It’s like an alternate universe he would be on the news but no one would dare mention it to him. To him it was all like a joke he has pictures of don corleone in his office but it was like a joke I don’t know hard to explain. He acted like it was literally all a joke

[Pete]

IF theres still some top admin, then i bet my money that Cicero kept/keeps the number 1 spot, while Grand/EP comes second in line...that is obviously pure speculation, and as for guys like Solly D or Cataudella, IF they are still contacted regarding certain matters...and thats a big "if"...then they are probably senior advisors of sort

Few days ago i watched one old documentary regarding the commission trial and how the feds managed to bug their targets, and they also said that its not illegal to be a member of the Mafia unless that same individual did something wrong, like being involved in conspiracy. So later some goverment sources from the 90s said that the Mob (on national level) is slowly becoming a semi-legit enterprise that operates in a closed circle and its involved mostly in corruption...and to tell you the truth thats how i see todays Outfit

Agreed on this all the way. I know it's all speculation, but in the last ten years I believe we have enough indictments and cases to at least believe there is a smaller, streamlined outfit still in existence. If you take it to it's logical conclusion, most of these guys would be legit businessman, but that doesn't mean there can't be an outfit. Business still need financing and loans to get off the ground. Guys lending to other guys, utilizing political and law enforcement contacts to benefit when possible. That's the way any smart person would have gone in the last 30 years. On the fringes you still have all the old school street stuff happening with gambling, loansharking, burglary, all that stuff. Hell, we have enough cases with Grand Ave and Cicero in the past 5-10 years to prove that shit is still going on.

My bet...still a top admin. Just a different business model. Also...no way Solly D does all that time, is mentioned by Paulie K on wiretap in 2012, and spends all this time promoting a legit business (a front in my opinion), just to not get a taste of something nowadays. Senior Advisor/Top Boss, whatever you want to call it, makes sense to me. I guess Joe the Builder is still alive too...so he could be up there as well. Just like Johnny the Nose was "meeting old friends for pizza" during that ABC news piece in 2009. Yea freaking right. These dudes may mostly retire...but they are gangsters from a different time. This is their thing.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I will say Solly lives very well he’s got a big black jaguar and the rolly on the wrist. But he also owns an entire block of businesses in island lake besides the carpet cleaning he has a bar as well as other stuff. Maybe he keeps it very low key but the only thing he talks about all the time is spending time with his kids and grandkids. He’s 80 something he’s not out and about he’s home at nights. He will talk openly about being in the gambling business and casinos he had etc but it all seems to be telling old stories

Would the expectation be that he'd talk openly about Outfit shit to you or people that you know?

Of course not but he will talk old stories. Your guessing something based on something you read in some article. I said it’s possible he is but if he is he keeps it very low key. Your saying he’s the boss he wouldn’t get out after doing his time etc do you know him? What do you base your opinions besides gangster report? My guess based on factually based stuff is he is probably in some kind of adviser role very removed from day to day who’s consulted from time to time. His old running buddies are dead or very old. I challenge anyone to show one single thing of proof he’s the boss. And carparelli was a braggart throwing his name. And all he said was Solly was partners with Mickey and that was 8 years ago. Solly has tons of dough and is not Interested in going back to the can again I’m assuming that but based on facts. He’s like a typical grandpa talking about his grandkids etc. believe what you want tho some people wanna live in a fantasy world. Do you know island lake? It’s a little tiny town in lake county that’s where he lives and owns various businesses and properties. If gangster report was true and Dino mArino drives him around wouldn’t there be some proof of that? Go to his business any day I promise there’s a black jag in front and he’s in there working. The people who know, know, that’s good enough for me

Do you know if Solly still pals around with Bobby DeDomenico?

No idea again I don’t know him like that. Think about he’s never gonna mention oc stuff to someone he knows casually. I never saw any outfit types around but anything else would be speculation which I won’t do. He will tell old stories from like 30 years ago that’s it. I never saw what is reported in gangster report tho. I always saw him drive his own car. I never saw him go on daily rounds. He has a lot of money that’s obvious whether it’s legit or not I couldn’t say

[funkster]

Jimmy I owns a trucking place in Villa Park, doesn't he?

[Villain]

Jimmy I owns a trucking place in Villa Park, doesn't he?

In addition to that question, do we know something regarding Pacella Trucking Inc or the Barbara-Pacella LLC?

[SolarSolano]

Jimmy I owns a trucking place in Villa Park, doesn't he?

In addition to that question, do we know something regarding Pacella Trucking Inc or the Barbara-Pacella LLC?

Twinn Excavating is one of Inendino's companies - but in Darien I believe not Villa Park. Villa Park is really a shit hole these days. I'm not sure of Pacella trucking - however, there was a Joseph "Popeye" Pacella who was quite a character at the O.N.I.A.C. and a bookie/burglar/LaPietra lackey.

[Villain]

Jimmy I owns a trucking place in Villa Park, doesn't he?

In addition to that question, do we know something regarding Pacella Trucking Inc or the Barbara-Pacella LLC?

Twinn Excavating is one of Inendino's companies - but in Darien I believe not Villa Park. Villa Park is really a shit hole these days. I'm not sure of Pacella trucking - however, there was a Joseph "Popeye" Pacella who was quite a character at the O.N.I.A.C. and a bookie/burglar/LaPietra lackey.

Thanks bud. I think it was Bill Pacella? Both he and Barbara allegedly came under the South crew....

Might be the same guy...

[SolarSolano]

Popeye Pacella died a few years ago - he did not have any kids that I'm aware of I wonder if this is a nephew of sorts. That said, Popeye wasn't an Outfit guy just a guy who hung around them and gambled and did some other things in his younger days.