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As for Peter Lombardo, he was indeed Pietro Giallombardo. His 1930 census address more or less matches with the address of his 1932 arrest in the Bazzano case (1930 census 1003 Greenwood ave., 1932 arrest gives 103 Greenwoid Ave.)

He was born in 1881 in Belmonte Mezzagna to Giuseppe and Saveria Mazzola.


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lennert wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:29 am Cecala was born in Baucina, to Salvatore and Louise Badame…

As for LaGaipa, I see… Guess I misunderstood the reference that LaGaipa was controlled by D’Aguila through his brother-in-law SanFilippo (do we have a first name for him???)


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Giuseppe Sanfilippo?

I didn't think you misunderstood, I thought you found something else to indicate he was a member either then or later. Given his connections he should have been.
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No, I apparently misunderstood, it came from the same file[emoji51]


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lennert wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:46 am No, I apparently misunderstood, it came from the same file[emoji51]


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Happens to all of us. Hell, B. read Gentile and raised hell over this consiglio/saggiu business and I only translated the thing and never put it together.
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Thanks as always Lennert. I've speculated Pietro attended the Bazzano trial as a Philly rep given most of the other eastern Families were there and it concerned a PA boss. Being from Belmonte adds to it -- Celeste Morello believed one of the early compaesani Families there was Belmontesi so there should have been more guys from there than just the ones we know decades later.

There was a Giuseppe Giallombardo the same age as the counterfeiter who was living in Montemaggiore before the US and listed a relative named Scafidi in Buffalo on his manifest. Coincidental Belmonte names if nothing else.
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I'm having doubts that the Giuseppe Giamllombardo in Buffalo was the same as the counterfeiter. According to his census record he arrived around 1910, and this matches a passenger manifest. The counterfeiter likely arrived before 1902, possibly by several years.
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- The one I mentioned who came from Montemaggiore arrived in Feb 1899 and was heading to an uncle named Francesco Scafidi in Buffalo, so a Buffalo one was in the US before 1902 for sure. No reason to suspect it's the counterfeiter, though, just seems to be the same age. He looks to have returned to Montemaggiore and then re-entered the US in 1902 heading to an uncle named Mililetto / Militello on Mulberry Street. The Scafidi connection could be a red herring.

- The Trenton mafioso arrested with Giuseppe Traina named Pietro Giallombardo entered the US in 1902 with his brother Giuseppe Giallombardo (age is close to the counterfeiter) coming from Belmonte and heading to another brother on Elizabeth Street NYC.

- In the article you cite Giallombardo's Sing Sing background record for the info about him being from Belmonte and say he came to the US in 1902.

Looks like Pietro "Peter Lombardo" Giallombardo from the 1932 Bazzano murder case is the brother of the counterfeiter Giuseppe Giallombardo. Ages and hometown match and both can be connected to Trainas, they also both came to the US together in 1902 where they're listed as bros.
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Ignazio Vaccaro is likely an early member. Counterfeiter well connected, from Canicatti, lived on E39. Wasn't Gotti friends with a Vaccaro?
Vaccaro, Ignazio immrec 1906Apr27 L1 Crossed Out.jpg
Vaccaro, Ignazio 1910 US NY Census - Manhattan E 39th St.jpg
Relocated to Rochester by 1930.

Connected to Salvatore Romano-
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A+

Sign the Canicatti tie goes back further. I think Trupia was the earliest one we knew of.
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Might help
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CIMG3801 Giallombardo DiPriemo Crocervera sentenced.JPG
CIMG3723 Giallombardo immigration record.JPG
CIMG3719 Morello LaDuca visit Giallombardo Crocervera -DiCristina Genova.JPG
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Chris Christie wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:37 pm Ignazio Vaccaro is likely an early member. Counterfeiter well connected, from Canicatti, lived on E39. Wasn't Gotti friends with a Vaccaro?

Vaccaro, Ignazio immrec 1906Apr27 L1 Crossed Out.jpg

Vaccaro, Ignazio 1910 US NY Census - Manhattan E 39th St.jpg

Relocated to Rochester by 1930.

Connected to Salvatore Romano-
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Good info here. Canicatti jumped out to me, as the Carlisis and Tornabenes in Chicago (and Buffalo) were from Canicatti. The Carlisis arrived in the 1900s via NYC, then went to Chicago, and then Gloversville, NY before moving on to Buffalo and then back to Chicago. It seems pretty clear to me that their families were closely connected to Buffalo (and of course, Roy Carlisi was a member), but there seems to have been a colony of Canicattesi around Gloversville (Fulton County), so it's very interesting to see confirmation of Vaccaro relocating to Upstate NY.

Many decades later, in 1983, we have Al Tornabene at Aiuppa's side presiding over a traditional induction ceremony in Chicago. After looking into their family my assumption has been that they were from a mafia lineage, probably going back to Canicatti.
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B. wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:00 pm - The one I mentioned who came from Montemaggiore arrived in Feb 1899 and was heading to an uncle named Francesco Scafidi in Buffalo, so a Buffalo one was in the US before 1902 for sure. No reason to suspect it's the counterfeiter, though, just seems to be the same age. He looks to have returned to Montemaggiore and then re-entered the US in 1902 heading to an uncle named Mililetto / Militello on Mulberry Street. The Scafidi connection could be a red herring.

- The Trenton mafioso arrested with Giuseppe Traina named Pietro Giallombardo entered the US in 1902 with his brother Giuseppe Giallombardo (age is close to the counterfeiter) coming from Belmonte and heading to another brother on Elizabeth Street NYC.

- In the article you cite Giallombardo's Sing Sing background record for the info about him being from Belmonte and say he came to the US in 1902.

Looks like Pietro "Peter Lombardo" Giallombardo from the 1932 Bazzano murder case is the brother of the counterfeiter Giuseppe Giallombardo. Ages and hometown match and both can be connected to Trainas, they also both came to the US together in 1902 where they're listed as bros.
I'll have to revisit my sources. Might be something I'm overlooking.
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A+ Tony. Don't know much about Carlisi.

Def Agrigentini with the Buffalo Family between Rochester, Utica, and nearby towns. Falcones were likely former Gambino Sciacchitani members/associates. Gentile had strong ties near the Finger Lakes w/ familiar names.

DiLeonardo was told the Buffalo and Cleveland Families were close to D'Aquila -- thanks to Gentile we know in Cleveland his loyalists were the Lonardos from Licata but also one of Lonardo's captains ID'd by Gentile was a cousin of the Buffalo DiCarlos according to Hunt/Tona.

There were also the Callea brothers in Buffalo who were killed in 1933 -- they came from Licata like the Cleveland guys and seem to be important but their role is lost to time and nobody mentions them. Their murder was chalked up to a racket feud but 1927-1933 was a rough time to be a mafioso from Licata in the US -- can't help but speculate something else was happening.
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B. wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 12:02 am A+ Tony. Don't know much about Carlisi.

Def Agrigentini with the Buffalo Family between Rochester, Utica, and nearby towns. Falcones were likely former Gambino Sciacchitani members/associates. Gentile had strong ties near the Finger Lakes w/ familiar names.

DiLeonardo was told the Buffalo and Cleveland Families were close to D'Aquila -- thanks to Gentile we know in Cleveland his loyalists were the Lonardos from Licata but also one of Lonardo's captains ID'd by Gentile was a cousin of the Buffalo DiCarlos according to Hunt/Tona.

There were also the Callea brothers in Buffalo who were killed in 1933 -- they came from Licata like the Cleveland guys and seem to be important but their role is lost to time and nobody mentions them. Their murder was chalked up to a racket feud but 1927-1933 was a rough time to be a mafioso from Licata in the US -- can't help but speculate something else was happening.
Thanks for the further info here. Given the large number of Canicattesi in the Gambinos, not surprising that some of these guys had links to Upstate NY. One apparent Gambino figure I wonder about (for obvious reasons, given the surname) is Salvatore Tornabe.
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Yeah, why did he attend Apalachin?

Surname could well be a corruption of Tornabene.
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