GL NEWS 9/17/20

[NJShore4Life]

Silvio Devita has a really beautiful house on the water in Toms River. He must be able to have shown legit income over the years to justify this house, it’s well over One Million and in a great location of Toms River right on the water.

[JohnnyS]

His wife must be much younger than he is.

[SonnyBlackstein]

His wife must be much younger than he is.

I noticed that too. He’s older than his father in-law

[TommyGambino]

No jail time in 50 years is crazy, when was he made and upped toa captain?

[SonnyBlackstein]

No jail time in 50 years is crazy, when was he made and upped toa captain?

Rare. Especially at Capo level.

[Pogo The Clown]

I have him as being made in the early 1990s, promoted Acting Capo in the late 1999s and to Official Capo in the 2000s.


Pogo

[TommyGambino]

I have him as being made in the early 1990s, promoted Acting Capo in the late 1999s and to Official Capo in the 2000s.


Pogo

Interesting he was about 60 when he was made then, surprised would have guessed 70s or 80s

[Pogo The Clown]

It doesn't seem the Genovese made many people during the 80s. There was that meeting from 1988 where Gotti brought up how the Genovese hadn't made anyone in a while and had a bunch of slots to fill (something like 30 or 40 I forgot) and Gigante basically told him to mind his business. So there would have been a big backlog of proposed members waiting to get made.


Pogo

[moneyman]

Devita appears on the proposed members list found in 1991.

https://lcnbios.blogspot.com/2018/05/ge ... 1.html?m=1

[outfit guy]

Devita looks good for being almost 90. Depiro was indicted as a soldier in the 2011 bust with Cernades, so it seems likely Depiro was/is also under Devita.

States DePiro is now a Capo.
Believe he was under Fuimara. Likely took over his crew.

Most certainly, there is no "crew" left but leftover old men.

[Wiseguy]

Yeah we’ve had relatively little on the Westside Jersey makeup for around a decade. I’d love a modern breakdown of the crews/members etc.

We have DeVita, DePiro (love to know members/crew sizes) We have the Bruschi crew, who’s taken that over? The Dente crew (his son took over??) and Daniel Pagano has interests/crew in Jersey (is he jersey based??)?

Am I missing anyone?

It’s a mess to yours.

It sure would be nice if we got an updated breakdown of all the NY crews like we did with the Luccheses.

Anyway, trying to figure out the Genovese family in Jersey is enough to drive you crazy. The 2004 NJ OC report listed 5 crews - Fiumara, Devita, Gatto, Bruschi, and Prisco. On top of that, you also had Dentico identified/indicted as a captain elsewhere.

Some people, perhaps correctly, think there's always been three Genovese crews based in Jersey. Obviously an important distinction from a crew based elsewhere but with operations in Jersey.

Fiumara (now DePiro?) and Devita, of course, are based there. Bruschi as well.

There was some disagreement among law enforcement whether Gatto was actually a captain before he died.

Seems Prisco was based elsewhere but simply had operations in Jersey. The 2004 report connected LaScala to the Prisco crew and he, of course, was indicted as a captain himself before he died.

Neither the Dente or Pagano crews are based in Jersey.

Wasn't Persico forced to live in NJ for legal reasons? The NJ Genovese waterfront stuff is super interesting.

They definitely got the better end of the deal when they split the NY/NJ waterfront with the Gambinos. The vast majority of the shipping is on the Jersey side now and is why most of the ILA/waterfront cases in the last 20 years have been tied to the Genovese/Jersey docks.

It should be noted that, according to the Waterfront Commission, members from all 5 NY families, as well as the New Jersey and Philly families, have friends or relatives working on the docks.

I've always thought their reputation as the strongest family is in large part due to how long they've dominated NJ based rackets. I think I read in one of the big Philly threads that this dates back to when Caponigro forfeited or gave the Genovese some of his rackets.

I think they have always been the biggest family in the state. Caponigro's operations were just something else they wanted.

It doesn't seem the Genovese made many people during the 80s. There was that meeting from 1988 where Gotti brought up how the Genovese hadn't made anyone in a while and had a bunch of slots to fill (something like 30 or 40 I forgot) and Gigante basically told him to mind his business. So there would have been a big backlog of proposed members waiting to get made.


Pogo

I believe it was 40 spots if I remember right. Apparently they made up for it later. In the mid-1990's a NY Magazine article said the Genovese had made 30 new members over the previous two years.

Most certainly, there is no "crew" left but leftover old men.

Whatever that means...

[outfit guy]

It means the crews are elderly old men. Even FBI surveillance confirmed everyone over 60 that showed. Who are they?

[SonnyBlackstein]

It means the crews are elderly old men. Even FBI surveillance confirmed everyone over 60 that showed. Who are they?

So you know the crew make-up?
Everybody?

[Wiseguy]

It means the crews are elderly old men. Even FBI surveillance confirmed everyone over 60 that showed. Who are they?

Who showed where? What are you talking about?

Anyway, 60's, 70's, that's prime age for LCN made guys. Though that's not to say there aren't younger guys available. The question is one of activity.

[newera_212]

It means the crews are elderly old men. Even FBI surveillance confirmed everyone over 60 that showed. Who are they?

When it comes to the bigger byzantine rackets like dockwork, construction, the buildings trade, things like that... what the Genovese is now known for, in NYC and NJ there's such a weird, old culture entrenched that even on the 100% legitimate side, it's still a tight circle & good old boys club... who else but middle aged or even elderly men? These guys are plugged in and can navigate that world. Rackets that go beyond drugs, fraud, and muscle that require that old fashioned NYC grift are perfect for these guys.

Plus you gotta think a lot of these made guys, especially in the genovese, we see them as 'lowly' soliders here on a simple chart, but in the real world a lot are bosses in their own right. they have people under them, jumping when they say jump, opening doors, picking up tabs, are known.

Lastly, while there's prob a good amount of guys on these charts in their 70s and 80s who aren't working, you gotta think that the ones who ARE are true believers. Using genovese guys as an example if they're making guys in there 50s or 60s, almost always those guys have been "active" since they were teenagers. They rode with it for that long there's way less of a chance they'll be flipping, doing dumb shit, not knowing how to navigate the politics, etc. it's weird but seems like a surefire strategy