Other Ethnic Organizations

[Confederate]

They usually get over taken by another member & it keeps going until they get bored or go to jail/die.

i asked because in the street gangs indictments the members are usually all under 40, why there are not older members although some gangs are pretty old

Because 95% of them are dead by the time they reach 40.

[Peppermint]

Why are we even talking about bloods and crips?

These aren’t sophisticated crime organizations, these are the modern societal equivalent of tribes. Fighting over colors like primitive apes fight over tree canopies.

If we are going to talk about black ethic organized crime, should at least give credit where credit is due and talk about Somali pirates. They make be garbed in rags, and have AK’s and RPG’s, but it takes being ruthless, smart, and strategic for a squad of 4 pirates in a motor boat to be able to take over entire oil tankers, and shipping frigates.

It often ends in failure for them, but a lot of the time they’re high successful too and walk off with a lot of loot that’s worth more than some blood or crip could obtain. They’re just constantly being raided by rival factions, and vice/versa.

Fuck the bloods and crips, only people they’re more organized than are MS13, those guys are just maniacs.

[Bklyn21]

What led to the collapse of other ethnic groups, Irish Mob, the Jewish mobsters, etc, during the 1900s to 1970s?

Not having the criminal tradition and hierarchical structure that ensures longevity of the organization. The Irish and Jewish groups were generally based around a main leader or small group of leaders. And once they were imprisoned or killed, the organization fell apart. Also, at least for the Jewish groups, many had no intention of continuing on anyway. Crime was a means to earn enough money to build a foundation to move into legitimate mainstream society. Both the Irish and Jewish groups, as a whole, were largely gone by the 1950s. There were some Jewish guys here and there, like Lansky, Dalitz, etc. that were affiliated with LCN families. And you had relatively small Irish groups like the Westies in New York, Winter Hill in Boston, and Danny Green in Cleveland.

criminal gangs as bloods, crips, latin kings, ms-13 usually don't seem to bring sons into their organizations and they appears loosely organized but they are still alive and they started a long time ago, the latin kings in 1948 if i remember right

The Latin Kings bring in they're sons and other relatives as a tradition , There is also alot of members who are older 40s,50s,60s so on and so forth . They are also one if the few gangs who are more modeled like the LCN in structure and hierarchy and are very rigid and strict in they're chains of command as a pyramid structure especially in recent years , They also have modeled themselves as and call themselves a community based political organization and have or tried to and went totally underground in recent years

[scagghiuni]

in all the indictments against latin kings that i read they were almost all under 35 and only a few in their 40s

[TommyShots]

LK here in NY is full of old heads, I agree with what Bklyn22 said but they’re weak now ever since operation broken crown? They’ve been going downhill.

[Etna]

I feel like the gangs in Chicago have more structure similar to the LKs in Ny. The LKs started in Chicago, actually.

But the LA gangs are all disorganized. Maybe, just maybe the latino gangs affiliated with la eme and nuestra familia are more structured.

[scagghiuni]

la eme seems pretty much structured but it's mostly a prison gang or what?

[slimshady_007]

Why are we even talking about bloods and crips?

These aren’t sophisticated crime organizations, these are the modern societal equivalent of tribes. Fighting over colors like primitive apes fight over tree canopies.

If we are going to talk about black ethic organized crime, should at least give credit where credit is due and talk about Somali pirates. They make be garbed in rags, and have AK’s and RPG’s, but it takes being ruthless, smart, and strategic for a squad of 4 pirates in a motor boat to be able to take over entire oil tankers, and shipping frigates.

It often ends in failure for them, but a lot of the time they’re high successful too and walk off with a lot of loot that’s worth more than some blood or crip could obtain. They’re just constantly being raided by rival factions, and vice/versa.

Fuck the bloods and crips, only people they’re more organized than are MS13, those guys are just maniacs.

That’s just not true. Ms 13 is easily way more organized than most blood/ crip sets. Ms 13 tends to have so called “programs” when several cliques all work together, while having a “program leader” who takes orders from gang members in El Salvador. When it comes to bloods and crips, its mostly every set for itself.

[TommyShots]

Why are we even talking about bloods and crips?

These aren’t sophisticated crime organizations, these are the modern societal equivalent of tribes. Fighting over colors like primitive apes fight over tree canopies.

If we are going to talk about black ethic organized crime, should at least give credit where credit is due and talk about Somali pirates. They make be garbed in rags, and have AK’s and RPG’s, but it takes being ruthless, smart, and strategic for a squad of 4 pirates in a motor boat to be able to take over entire oil tankers, and shipping frigates.

It often ends in failure for them, but a lot of the time they’re high successful too and walk off with a lot of loot that’s worth more than some blood or crip could obtain. They’re just constantly being raided by rival factions, and vice/versa.

Fuck the bloods and crips, only people they’re more organized than are MS13, those guys are just maniacs.

That’s just not true. Ms 13 is easily way more organized than most blood/ crip sets. Ms 13 tends to have so called “programs” when several cliques all work together, while having a “program leader” who takes orders from gang members in El Salvador. When it comes to bloods and crips, its mostly every set for itself.

That’s true, they call the shot caller in El Salvador before committing a crime.

[Peppermint]

Why are we even talking about bloods and crips?

These aren’t sophisticated crime organizations, these are the modern societal equivalent of tribes. Fighting over colors like primitive apes fight over tree canopies.

If we are going to talk about black ethic organized crime, should at least give credit where credit is due and talk about Somali pirates. They make be garbed in rags, and have AK’s and RPG’s, but it takes being ruthless, smart, and strategic for a squad of 4 pirates in a motor boat to be able to take over entire oil tankers, and shipping frigates.

It often ends in failure for them, but a lot of the time they’re high successful too and walk off with a lot of loot that’s worth more than some blood or crip could obtain. They’re just constantly being raided by rival factions, and vice/versa.

Fuck the bloods and crips, only people they’re more organized than are MS13, those guys are just maniacs.

That’s just not true. Ms 13 is easily way more organized than most blood/ crip sets. Ms 13 tends to have so called “programs” when several cliques all work together, while having a “program leader” who takes orders from gang members in El Salvador. When it comes to bloods and crips, its mostly every set for itself.

Wow, really? You’re probably right. But I find that oddly hard to believe, anything I’ve read about them or watched about them. They’re portrayed as just maniacs, with little structure, almost don’t even see them as a gang always seen it as more just a way of life for those involved. Especially when you compare to other Hispanic gangs like Latin Kings.

[scagghiuni]

ms-13 was formed in california and it emerged only later in el salvador, so i don't know if it is true that they take orders from over there, sure they have some links, but the cliques in europe for example are independent, they just say they are ms-13 and that's all, there is even barrio 18 in some european city, but honestly they both seem a joke compared to the ones in the united states, a bunch of teenagers fighting for a little street

[TallGuy19]

I'm pretty sure the MS-13 cliques in California answer to the Mexican Mafia, which is highly organized. The "13" in their name denotes their allegiance to La Eme.

[TallGuy19]

la eme seems pretty much structured but it's mostly a prison gang or what?

They started out as a prison gang but were able to gain control over hispanic street gangs in Southern California by controlling jails and prisons, and threatening to kill gang members who refused to follow orders when they inevitably wound up incarcerated.

I just finished the Boxer Enriquez book, and I would highly recommend it for anyone who has a general interest in organized crime or wants to understand the Mexican Mafia, specifically. The book is well researched and, as a former high-ranking carnal, Enriquez provides a lot of insight and details into the gang's history and structure.

[Peppermint]

ms-13 was formed in california and it emerged only later in el salvador, so i don't know if it is true that they take orders from over there, sure they have some links, but the cliques in europe for example are independent, they just say they are ms-13 and that's all, there is even barrio 18 in some european city, but honestly they both seem a joke compared to the ones in the united states, a bunch of teenagers fighting for a little street

I think that’s accurate actually, I do remember in a documentary that I watched about them. That their origin was in the States, I think a matter of which state is debatable but the original ones were eventually deported to El Salvador. Then it was in El Salvador that they became extremely violent, and grew in numbers. If I remember correctly that was because when they were deported back, they recruited a lot of the disenfranchised youth desperate for some of a life being from such a desolate nation and former soldiers that became disenfranchised as well.

[Wiseguy]

If you want an in depth rundown on MS-13, read the report below -

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... UkduVmw63X

From the report -

The MS13 is a difuse organization of sub-parts, with no single leader or leadership structure that directs the entire gang. The MS13 has two poles of power: in Los Angeles, where it was founded, and in El Salvador, its spiritual birthplace where many of its historic leaders reside. But the gang has no single leader or leadership council. Instead it is a federation with layers of leaders who interact, obey and react to each other at diferent moments depending on circumstances. In general terms, most decisions are made by the individual cell, or what is known as the “clica,” the Spanish term for clique. The highest-ranking members in some geographic areas make up a leadership council, but not all areas have a leadership council. In Los Angeles, the MS13 is subservient to the prison gang known as the Mexican Mafa. In El Salvador, the gang is also run from prison by its own leadership council. Along the East Coast of the United States, the gang has no council, although it is takes much of its directives from Salvadoran-based gang leaders. Because these leaders are mostly in jail, it is exceedingly difficult for them to impose total control over the rank-and-file.



If you look at gang indictments, from a criminal enterprise standpoint, MS-13 is one of the least impressive gangs. With many other gangs, including the Bloods and Crips, while they do have their share of petty violence, much of it is at least to facilitate their drug dealing, i.e protect their turf or eliminate rivals. Many MS-13 cases involve nothing but violence. Violence simply for the sake of violence.

The report above states -

The use of violence has enhanced the MS13’s brand name, allowing it to expand in size and geographic reach, but it has undermined its ability to enter more sophisticated, money-making criminal economies. Potential partners see the gang as an unreliable, highly visible target, and the gang’s violent spasms only reinforce this notion.

The indictments bear this out.

Pages 39-47 go further into the criminal business of the gang and, when you read it, you get the impression these guys would barely be a blip on the radar if not for the extreme violence.