Joseph DiNapoli Denied Compassionate Release

[SonnyBlackstein]

MafiaStudent is one hell of a researcher. Those articles on the Cherry Hill Gambinos were great and I learned a lot.

But the editorializing causes me to lose respect for the author. The articles would be much better with just laying out the facts plainly, letting the reader come to their own conclusions. There’s an old adage in writing called “Show, don’t tell” (Google it!)

i.e. Don’t tell us so-and-so is getting screwed by the government. Show us how they’re getting screwed and let us come to that conclusion ourselves.

When people feel like someone is telling them what to think, they tend to push back. And by editorializing, everyone is more focused on the author than the actual content of the story itself (just read through this thread).

There’s certainly a lot of room in the marketplace for a good, well-researched blog to cover history of LCN. To write about obscure stories from defunct families that may have been missed by the more well-known authors. I’d certainly keep reading if those type of stories keep coming.

Hope this helps!

THIS.

Bravo. Excellent post.

[Frank]

I was looking into a little bit of DiNapoli,s history. In the 90s he served. only 29 0f 60 months. In the 2010s he served 8 of 36 months. My point being he got off easy then. Dont understand these numbers. But my point is he already got 2 breaks. 52 months in his line of work isnt much, its the age factor.

That's interesting, were they federal sentences? They used to be quicker on paroles, I think they used to make guys do one third as opposed the state which requires two thirds (approximately) before parole. Those releases sound short. Do you know what his exact sentence was? For example was it 36 months straight or 24-36 months, with 36 being the max.

Just found more. 2007 New Jersey indictment, 2009 New York indictment. Plea deal Feb 2016 sentenced for both indictments April 2016. State charges both I believe. 3 years New Jersey and 1 to 3 years New York, to run concurrent. Started to serve sentance immediately after sentencd. Released 9 months later in Jan 2017. It looks like the New Jersey sentence had to be 1 to 3 years or if 3 years is it common to only have to do one third of your sentence in Jersey? But regardless only served 9 months for those 2 indictments. Not bad for him Not so lucky yet this time around.

[Wiseguy]

MafiaStudent is one hell of a researcher. Those articles on the Cherry Hill Gambinos were great and I learned a lot.

But the editorializing causes me to lose respect for the author. The articles would be much better with just laying out the facts plainly, letting the reader come to their own conclusions. There’s an old adage in writing called “Show, don’t tell” (Google it!)

i.e. Don’t tell us so-and-so is getting screwed by the government. Show us how they’re getting screwed and let us come to that conclusion ourselves.

When people feel like someone is telling them what to think, they tend to push back. And by editorializing, everyone is more focused on the author than the actual content of the story itself (just read through this thread).

There’s certainly a lot of room in the marketplace for a good, well-researched blog to cover history of LCN. To write about obscure stories from defunct families that may have been missed by the more well-known authors. I’d certainly keep reading if those type of stories keep coming.

Hope this helps!

THIS.

Bravo. Excellent post.

There's also something to be said for devoting a hell of a lot of time, and multiple threads, to career criminals supposedly railroaded by the government. Surely, there are more deserving people who fell through the cracks of the justice system, and who actually are innocent.

Of course, that's assuming this is really about injustices in the system and not just about defending guys from a certain Italian-American subculture. *cough*

[gohnjotti]

I was looking into a little bit of DiNapoli,s history. In the 90s he served. only 29 0f 60 months. In the 2010s he served 8 of 36 months. My point being he got off easy then. Dont understand these numbers. But my point is he already got 2 breaks. 52 months in his line of work isnt much, its the age factor.

That's interesting, were they federal sentences? They used to be quicker on paroles, I think they used to make guys do one third as opposed the state which requires two thirds (approximately) before parole. Those releases sound short. Do you know what his exact sentence was? For example was it 36 months straight or 24-36 months, with 36 being the max.

I don't think it's one-third, that's incredibly low. I think in the federal system these days, you have to serve 85% of your sentence before you're automatically up for early release IIRC.

[mafiastudent]

MafiaStudent is one hell of a researcher. Those articles on the Cherry Hill Gambinos were great and I learned a lot.

But the editorializing causes me to lose respect for the author. The articles would be much better with just laying out the facts plainly, letting the reader come to their own conclusions. There’s an old adage in writing called “Show, don’t tell” (Google it!)

i.e. Don’t tell us so-and-so is getting screwed by the government. Show us how they’re getting screwed and let us come to that conclusion ourselves.

When people feel like someone is telling them what to think, they tend to push back. And by editorializing, everyone is more focused on the author than the actual content of the story itself (just read through this thread).

There’s certainly a lot of room in the marketplace for a good, well-researched blog to cover history of LCN. To write about obscure stories from defunct families that may have been missed by the more well-known authors. I’d certainly keep reading if those type of stories keep coming.

Hope this helps!

THIS.

Bravo. Excellent post.

There's also something to be said for devoting a hell of a lot of time, and multiple threads, to career criminals supposedly railroaded by the government. Surely, there are more deserving people who fell through the cracks of the justice system, and who actually are innocent.

Of course, that's assuming this is really about injustices in the system and not just about defending guys from a certain Italian-American subculture. *cough*

First of all, it isn't about defending anyone. No matter who it is everyone has a right to a fair and impartial trial. If the government has the evidence they shouldn't have to fabricate and misrepresent evidence or frame people to make their case.

Secondly, if you feel so strongly about this, why are you on a board devoted to this subject and why do you spend time researching these "criminals" in the first place?

[Frank]

I was looking into a little bit of DiNapoli,s history. In the 90s he served. only 29 0f 60 months. In the 2010s he served 8 of 36 months. My point being he got off easy then. Dont understand these numbers. But my point is he already got 2 breaks. 52 months in his line of work isnt much, its the age factor.

That's interesting, were they federal sentences? They used to be quicker on paroles, I think they used to make guys do one third as opposed the state which requires two thirds (approximately) before parole. Those releases sound short. Do you know what his exact sentence was? For example was it 36 months straight or 24-36 months, with 36 being the max.

I don't think it's one-third, that's incredibly low. I think in the federal system these days, you have to serve 85% of your sentence before you're automatically up for early release IIRC.

All that stuff federally and state has changed over the years. This is more recent, but not the current case stemming fro the2017 indictments. It the sentences from the big busts from 2007 and 2009. The New York sentence has been figured out and was 1 to 3 years. The New Jersey sentence was 3 years. Both to run concurrent. He did 9 months and was released. That fullfills the New York sentence, but what about the 2 more years of the Jersey sentence. The only thing I can assume is the Jersey sentence was also 1 to 3 years or in Jersey you only have to do one third of your time. DiNapoli was on the streets for less than 5 months when the 2017 indictemts came out. Put his house up for bond and I believe he pled last year and began serving his time recently, but not sure has has

[mafiastudent]

I was looking into a little bit of DiNapoli,s history. In the 90s he served. only 29 0f 60 months. In the 2010s he served 8 of 36 months. My point being he got off easy then. Dont understand these numbers. But my point is he already got 2 breaks. 52 months in his line of work isnt much, its the age factor.

That's interesting, were they federal sentences? They used to be quicker on paroles, I think they used to make guys do one third as opposed the state which requires two thirds (approximately) before parole. Those releases sound short. Do you know what his exact sentence was? For example was it 36 months straight or 24-36 months, with 36 being the max.

I don't think it's one-third, that's incredibly low. I think in the federal system these days, you have to serve 85% of your sentence before you're automatically up for early release IIRC.

All that stuff federally and state has changed over the years. This is more recent, but not the current case stemming fro the2017 indictments. It the sentences from the big busts from 2007 and 2009. The New York sentence has been figured out and was 1 to 3 years. The New Jersey sentence was 3 years. Both to run concurrent. He did 9 months and was released. That fullfills the New York sentence, but what about the 2 more years of the Jersey sentence. The only thing I can assume is the Jersey sentence was also 1 to 3 years or in Jersey you only have to do one third of your time. DiNapoli was on the streets for less than 5 months when the 2017 indictemts came out. Put his house up for bond and I believe he pled last year and began serving his time recently, but not sure has has

[mafiastudent]

I was looking into a little bit of DiNapoli,s history. In the 90s he served. only 29 0f 60 months. In the 2010s he served 8 of 36 months. My point being he got off easy then. Dont understand these numbers. But my point is he already got 2 breaks. 52 months in his line of work isnt much, its the age factor.

That's interesting, were they federal sentences? They used to be quicker on paroles, I think they used to make guys do one third as opposed the state which requires two thirds (approximately) before parole. Those releases sound short. Do you know what his exact sentence was? For example was it 36 months straight or 24-36 months, with 36 being the max.

I don't think it's one-third, that's incredibly low. I think in the federal system these days, you have to serve 85% of your sentence before you're automatically up for early release IIRC.

All that stuff federally and state has changed over the years. This is more recent, but not the current case stemming fro the2017 indictments. It the sentences from the big busts from 2007 and 2009. The New York sentence has been figured out and was 1 to 3 years. The New Jersey sentence was 3 years. Both to run concurrent. He did 9 months and was released. That fullfills the New York sentence, but what about the 2 more years of the Jersey sentence. The only thing I can assume is the Jersey sentence was also 1 to 3 years or in Jersey you only have to do one third of your time. DiNapoli was on the streets for less than 5 months when the 2017 indictemts came out. Put his house up for bond and I believe he pled last year and began serving his time recently, but not sure has has

From plea offered by govt...includes info on priors

[Frank]

I was looking into a little bit of DiNapoli,s history. In the 90s he served. only 29 0f 60 months. In the 2010s he served 8 of 36 months. My point being he got off easy then. Dont understand these numbers. But my point is he already got 2 breaks. 52 months in his line of work isnt much, its the age factor.

That's interesting, were they federal sentences? They used to be quicker on paroles, I think they used to make guys do one third as opposed the state which requires two thirds (approximately) before parole. Those releases sound short. Do you know what his exact sentence was? For example was it 36 months straight or 24-36 months, with 36 being the max.

I don't think it's one-third, that's incredibly low. I think in the federal system these days, you have to serve 85% of your sentence before you're automatically up for early release IIRC.

All that stuff federally and state has changed over the years. This is more recent, but not the current case stemming fro the2017 indictments. It the sentences from the big busts from 2007 and 2009. The New York sentence has been figured out and was 1 to 3 years. The New Jersey sentence was 3 years. Both to run concurrent. He did 9 months and was released. That fullfills the New York sentence, but what about the 2 more years of the Jersey sentence. The only thing I can assume is the Jersey sentence was also 1 to 3 years or in Jersey you only have to do one third of your time. DiNapoli was on the streets for less than 5 months when the 2017 indictemts came out. Put his house up for bond and I believe he pled last year and began serving his time recently, but not sure has has

Thank you'll

[mafiastudent]

Here's the other three pages...though i posted those

[SonnyBlackstein]

There's also something to be said for devoting a hell of a lot of time, and multiple threads, to career criminals supposedly railroaded by the government. Surely, there are more deserving people who fell through the cracks of the justice system, and who actually are innocent.

Of course, that's assuming this is really about injustices in the system and not just about defending guys from a certain Italian-American subculture. *cough*

No argument here.

@MS: DiNapoli has been convited TEN times of previous crimes. He's also the head of a criminal enterprise. Thats why he got the top end of his plea. Its not that hard to comprehend. And he was convicted (pled guilty, whatever) for his current incarceration, so lets stop this 'alleged', using the word criminals in quotes etc etc. This is no miscarriage of justice here.

Should he have been released due to COVID? Sure, I agree. Gambling charge and his age etc, sure. But stop carrying on like this is the greatest perversion of justice in the modern day. You look ridiculous.

[mafiastudent]

There's also something to be said for devoting a hell of a lot of time, and multiple threads, to career criminals supposedly railroaded by the government. Surely, there are more deserving people who fell through the cracks of the justice system, and who actually are innocent.

Of course, that's assuming this is really about injustices in the system and not just about defending guys from a certain Italian-American subculture. *cough*

No argument here.

@MS: DiNapoli has been convited TEN times of previous crimes. He's also the head of a criminal enterprise. Thats why he got the top end of his plea. Its not that hard to comprehend. And he was convicted (pled guilty, whatever) for his current incarceration, so lets stop this 'alleged', using the word criminals in quotes etc etc. This is no miscarriage of justice here.

Should he have been released due to COVID? Sure, I agree. Gambling charge and his age etc, sure. But stop carrying on like this is the greatest perversion of justice in the modern day. You look ridiculous.

He didn't get the top of his agreement. He got five months over. The judge's choice.

[bert]

I was looking into a little bit of DiNapoli,s history. In the 90s he served. only 29 0f 60 months. In the 2010s he served 8 of 36 months. My point being he got off easy then. Dont understand these numbers. But my point is he already got 2 breaks. 52 months in his line of work isnt much, its the age factor.

That's interesting, were they federal sentences? They used to be quicker on paroles, I think they used to make guys do one third as opposed the state which requires two thirds (approximately) before parole. Those releases sound short. Do you know what his exact sentence was? For example was it 36 months straight or 24-36 months, with 36 being the max.

Just found more. 2007 New Jersey indictment, 2009 New York indictment. Plea deal Feb 2016 sentenced for both indictments April 2016. State charges both I believe. 3 years New Jersey and 1 to 3 years New York, to run concurrent. Started to serve sentance immediately after sentencd. Released 9 months later in Jan 2017. It looks like the New Jersey sentence had to be 1 to 3 years or if 3 years is it common to only have to do one third of your sentence in Jersey? But regardless only served 9 months for those 2 indictments. Not bad for him Not so lucky yet this time around.

Thanks Frank, that is actually very common, even guys in for violent crimes get out first time up in most cases, especially since the 1960's. The only time they make a guy do the one year if the sentence s one to two, with an exception: If you are fights, constant trouble, caught often with contraband, and/or give guards a hard time you do as much as they can make you do. So if he kept out of problems his releases in that time is not uncommon.

I knew 2 guys when young who both got 1-7 years on the same case, same charges. One was out in 16 months, the other in 4 years plus about 8 months. The latter was in fights, etc. and even tried to sue the warden. Same charges, same judge and same prison system (different prisons after he first year) It's just the way it works.

[SonnyBlackstein]

He didn't get the top of his agreement. He got five months over. The judge's choice.

TEN previous convictions. DiNapoli's choice.


Why would you expect sympathy for a double digit serial offender heading a large criminal organisation getting 5 months over his plea?

Do you see why you sound irrational/emotional/vested?

[Fughedaboutit]

MafiaStudent is one hell of a researcher. Those articles on the Cherry Hill Gambinos were great and I learned a lot.

But the editorializing causes me to lose respect for the author. The articles would be much better with just laying out the facts plainly, letting the reader come to their own conclusions. There’s an old adage in writing called “Show, don’t tell” (Google it!)

i.e. Don’t tell us so-and-so is getting screwed by the government. Show us how they’re getting screwed and let us come to that conclusion ourselves.

When people feel like someone is telling them what to think, they tend to push back. And by editorializing, everyone is more focused on the author than the actual content of the story itself (just read through this thread).

There’s certainly a lot of room in the marketplace for a good, well-researched blog to cover history of LCN. To write about obscure stories from defunct families that may have been missed by the more well-known authors. I’d certainly keep reading if those type of stories keep coming.

Hope this helps!

THIS.

Bravo. Excellent post.

There's also something to be said for devoting a hell of a lot of time, and multiple threads, to career criminals supposedly railroaded by the government. Surely, there are more deserving people who fell through the cracks of the justice system, and who actually are innocent.

Of course, that's assuming this is really about injustices in the system and not just about defending guys from a certain Italian-American subculture. *cough*

First of all, it isn't about defending anyone. No matter who it is everyone has a right to a fair and impartial trial. If the government has the evidence they shouldn't have to fabricate and misrepresent evidence or frame people to make their case.

Secondly, if you feel so strongly about this, why are you on a board devoted to this subject and why do you spend time researching these "criminals" in the first place?

Damn!