Scarfo jr a good of bad mobster?

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Nicky Jr's restaurant was Amici's in Ventnor on Atlantic Ave.

Thanks, nj.

[Rocco]

Scarfo Jr's mobster days are over. Right now he is just and inmate and will be for the next 30yrs. If you asked me...he fucked up big time. The First Plus scam was a complete failure. Not only was he caught on tapes talking about the crime. But he only had like 1.5yrs to actually spend the money and live a little off it. Now hes doing 30yr fuckin yrs. If you ask me ...he is a complete fuckin moron. And his father was a fuckin moron too. But that's just my opinion. Scarfo Jr could have done it right. Stuck to sports gambling and invested the money into legit businesses so his wife and kids had a future. Instead he was a dipshit and now his wife and kids are stuck holding the bag...broke. There are few smarts guys involved in that life....but for the most part you got allot of morons that you gotta rely on in that life...and it doesn't end well for most due to greed and just lack of smarts.

[Peppermint]

Scarfo Jr's mobster days are over. Right now he is just and inmate and will be for the next 30yrs. If you asked me...he fucked up big time. The First Plus scam was a complete failure. Not only was he caught on tapes talking about the crime. But he only had like 1.5yrs to actually spend the money and live a little off it. Now hes doing 30yr fuckin yrs. If you ask me ...he is a complete fuckin moron. And his father was a fuckin moron too. But that's just my opinion. Scarfo Jr could have done it right. Stuck to sports gambling and invested the money into legit businesses so his wife and kids had a future. Instead he was a dipshit and now his wife and kids are stuck holding the bag...broke. There are few smarts guys involved in that life....but for the most part you got allot of morons that you gotta rely on in that life...and it doesn't end well for most due to greed and just lack of smarts.

I definitely agree, only a stupid criminal doesn’t launder the wealth they accumulated from illegal activity by investing it into legitimate businesses.

All you would really need is a bank account, and a credit card, and they give those to just about anybody who applies for them nowadays. All that clean money you’ll make out of it, can then be taxed so the IRS isn’t breathing down your neck too. Money laundering is so easy, it’s so easy that people are doing it and don’t even realize it themselves. It’s just rinse and repeat, literally no excuse other than their own stupidity.

[TallGuy19]

Scarfo Jr's mobster days are over. Right now he is just and inmate and will be for the next 30yrs. If you asked me...he fucked up big time. The First Plus scam was a complete failure. Not only was he caught on tapes talking about the crime. But he only had like 1.5yrs to actually spend the money and live a little off it. Now hes doing 30yr fuckin yrs. If you ask me ...he is a complete fuckin moron. And his father was a fuckin moron too. But that's just my opinion. Scarfo Jr could have done it right. Stuck to sports gambling and invested the money into legit businesses so his wife and kids had a future. Instead he was a dipshit and now his wife and kids are stuck holding the bag...broke. There are few smarts guys involved in that life....but for the most part you got allot of morons that you gotta rely on in that life...and it doesn't end well for most due to greed and just lack of smarts.

People seem to think that a mobster is smart simply because he makes a lot of money, but many of these money making schemes are short-sighted and destined to fail. If you can design a scam with a clear exit strategy that doesn't involve a prison cell you're pretty clever as far as I'm concerned, but running a multi-million dollar operation that results in a decades-long prison sentence just isn't worth it.

[Peppermint]

Scarfo Jr's mobster days are over. Right now he is just and inmate and will be for the next 30yrs. If you asked me...he fucked up big time. The First Plus scam was a complete failure. Not only was he caught on tapes talking about the crime. But he only had like 1.5yrs to actually spend the money and live a little off it. Now hes doing 30yr fuckin yrs. If you ask me ...he is a complete fuckin moron. And his father was a fuckin moron too. But that's just my opinion. Scarfo Jr could have done it right. Stuck to sports gambling and invested the money into legit businesses so his wife and kids had a future. Instead he was a dipshit and now his wife and kids are stuck holding the bag...broke. There are few smarts guys involved in that life....but for the most part you got allot of morons that you gotta rely on in that life...and it doesn't end well for most due to greed and just lack of smarts.

People seem to think that a mobster is smart simply because he makes a lot of money, but many of these money making schemes are short-sighted and destined to fail. If you can design a scam with a clear exit strategy that doesn't involve a prison cell you're pretty clever as far as I'm concerned, but running a multi-million dollar operation that results in a decades-long prison sentence just isn't worth it.

It can be worth it, money talks and the state is only willing to spend so much of it. Say you do a bank heist, and you get a million dollars. But you’ve been doing bank heists your whole criminal career, this is just the one heist you get busted doing. So you have millions of dollars from all those prior heists, not to mention all the drugs you’ve sold that they suspect you been selling but can’t quite connect you with, or the gambling rings, extortion, whatever. Court is only going to rail you for that million dollars, if you raise the court costs to exceed that million dollars they aren’t going to spend the money to continue trying to convict you because now it’s exceeding the million dollars the state has to reimburse the bank you robbed. They’re either going to drop the case, or more likely try and cut you a deal that involves significantly less time than what they are originally trying to throw at you. That effectively makes those multi-million dollar operations you run entirely worth doing, because truth is in this country money puts you above the law. The sentence you get, or the result of the case, entirely depends on who can out spend who and drag it on the longest.

The key is also avoiding going to trial, because money isn’t swaying a jury without it being bribery. But so long as you stay out of trial, money talks louder than any lawyer.

[Pogo The Clown]

The average bank robbery only nets a few thousand dollars. The big money is in the vault and it is almost impossible to steal it without getting cought.


Pogo

[Peppermint]

The average bank robbery only nets a few thousand dollars. The big money is in the vault and it is almost impossible to steal it without getting cought.


Pogo

I was just being hypothetical. A bank robbery was just the simplest example I could think of that wouldn’t require to elaborate a lot of details.

You’re right though, not to derail the thread but I knew a guy named Rob who got convicted of robbing banks. He robbed a good two or three of them before finally being caught, only ever got a few thousand out of it each time. Heroin addict, so of course he would think robbing banks would actually be lucrative in the 21st century.

[Wiseguy]

The average bank robbery only nets a few thousand dollars. The big money is in the vault and it is almost impossible to steal it without getting cought.


Pogo

They control the room well and they stick strictly to the cash drawers.

They don't go for the vault?

No. They never go for the vault. They never get greedy.

Smart. You burn time in the vault.

[Pogo The Clown]

They control the room well and they stick strictly to the cash drawers.

They don't go for the vault?

No. They never go for the vault. They never get greedy.

Smart. You burn time in the vault.

This was never about the money, this was about us against the system. That system that kills the human spirit. We stand for something. We are here to show those guys that are inching their way on the freeways in their metal coffins that the human sprit is still alive.


Pogo

[AntComello]

Did scarfo jr end up walking away with anything at all from the first plus scam? He had to have had a few million stashed away somewhere somehow cuz if not then he’s doing 30 years for no reason and his wife and kids are struggling to get by. But at least if he had Enough stashed away to take care of his family while he’s gone then it’s better then nothing I guess.

[TommyGambino]

How the fuck did he get 30 years anyway

[dack2001]

I know, crazy sentence. Federal sentencing guidelines for financial crimes are based upon the amount lost, which in their case was very high, and he got hammered as a third time federal offender. In the Fed system it really is three strikes and you're out. He has two priors for loansharking and rackateering. If Joey would have got convicted in NYC he would have gotten 25 years as a third time offender.

Let's hope he has some of that money stashed away...

[stubbs]

How the fuck did he get 30 years anyway

Because the case included, according to the FBI:

racketeering conspiracy and related offenses, including securities fraud, wire fraud, mail fraud, bank fraud, extortion, money laundering and obstruction of justice

Here’s the full press release from the FBI.

According to the bop, Scarfo, Pelullo, and the lawyer William Maxwell are all locked up until the 2030s. Scarfo himself until 2037.

Maxwell and his brother (who was installed as CEO) were ordered to pay $14 million restitution each.

[Rocco]

Scarfo Jr's mobster days are over. Right now he is just and inmate and will be for the next 30yrs. If you asked me...he fucked up big time. The First Plus scam was a complete failure. Not only was he caught on tapes talking about the crime. But he only had like 1.5yrs to actually spend the money and live a little off it. Now hes doing 30yr fuckin yrs. If you ask me ...he is a complete fuckin moron. And his father was a fuckin moron too. But that's just my opinion. Scarfo Jr could have done it right. Stuck to sports gambling and invested the money into legit businesses so his wife and kids had a future. Instead he was a dipshit and now his wife and kids are stuck holding the bag...broke. There are few smarts guys involved in that life....but for the most part you got allot of morons that you gotta rely on in that life...and it doesn't end well for most due to greed and just lack of smarts.

People seem to think that a mobster is smart simply because he makes a lot of money, but many of these money making schemes are short-sighted and destined to fail. If you can design a scam with a clear exit strategy that doesn't involve a prison cell you're pretty clever as far as I'm concerned, but running a multi-million dollar operation that results in a decades-long prison sentence just isn't worth it.

It can be worth it, money talks and the state is only willing to spend so much of it. Say you do a bank heist, and you get a million dollars. But you’ve been doing bank heists your whole criminal career, this is just the one heist you get busted doing. So you have millions of dollars from all those prior heists, not to mention all the drugs you’ve sold that they suspect you been selling but can’t quite connect you with, or the gambling rings, extortion, whatever. Court is only going to rail you for that million dollars, if you raise the court costs to exceed that million dollars they aren’t going to spend the money to continue trying to convict you because now it’s exceeding the million dollars the state has to reimburse the bank you robbed. They’re either going to drop the case, or more likely try and cut you a deal that involves significantly less time than what they are originally trying to throw at you. That effectively makes those multi-million dollar operations you run entirely worth doing, because truth is in this country money puts you above the law. The sentence you get, or the result of the case, entirely depends on who can out spend who and drag it on the longest.

The key is also avoiding going to trial, because money isn’t swaying a jury without it being bribery. But so long as you stay out of trial, money talks louder than any lawyer.

The vast majority of people who rob banks are desperate and only walk away with a few grand tops. All successful mobsters have legit businesses that make $$$. One that comes to mind is Carmine Sciandra. He is successful has done very little jail time over the last 30yrs. Scarfo Jr was an idiot. Been then again look who he looked up to...his dad...another idiot .

[Peppermint]

Scarfo Jr's mobster days are over. Right now he is just and inmate and will be for the next 30yrs. If you asked me...he fucked up big time. The First Plus scam was a complete failure. Not only was he caught on tapes talking about the crime. But he only had like 1.5yrs to actually spend the money and live a little off it. Now hes doing 30yr fuckin yrs. If you ask me ...he is a complete fuckin moron. And his father was a fuckin moron too. But that's just my opinion. Scarfo Jr could have done it right. Stuck to sports gambling and invested the money into legit businesses so his wife and kids had a future. Instead he was a dipshit and now his wife and kids are stuck holding the bag...broke. There are few smarts guys involved in that life....but for the most part you got allot of morons that you gotta rely on in that life...and it doesn't end well for most due to greed and just lack of smarts.

People seem to think that a mobster is smart simply because he makes a lot of money, but many of these money making schemes are short-sighted and destined to fail. If you can design a scam with a clear exit strategy that doesn't involve a prison cell you're pretty clever as far as I'm concerned, but running a multi-million dollar operation that results in a decades-long prison sentence just isn't worth it.

It can be worth it, money talks and the state is only willing to spend so much of it. Say you do a bank heist, and you get a million dollars. But you’ve been doing bank heists your whole criminal career, this is just the one heist you get busted doing. So you have millions of dollars from all those prior heists, not to mention all the drugs you’ve sold that they suspect you been selling but can’t quite connect you with, or the gambling rings, extortion, whatever. Court is only going to rail you for that million dollars, if you raise the court costs to exceed that million dollars they aren’t going to spend the money to continue trying to convict you because now it’s exceeding the million dollars the state has to reimburse the bank you robbed. They’re either going to drop the case, or more likely try and cut you a deal that involves significantly less time than what they are originally trying to throw at you. That effectively makes those multi-million dollar operations you run entirely worth doing, because truth is in this country money puts you above the law. The sentence you get, or the result of the case, entirely depends on who can out spend who and drag it on the longest.

The key is also avoiding going to trial, because money isn’t swaying a jury without it being bribery. But so long as you stay out of trial, money talks louder than any lawyer.

The vast majority of people who rob banks are desperate and only walk away with a few grand tops. All successful mobsters have legit businesses that make $$$. One that comes to mind is Carmine Sciandra. He is successful has done very little jail time over the last 30yrs. Scarfo Jr was an idiot. Been then again look who he looked up to...his dad...another idiot .

Like I said to Pogo, it was just the simplest example I could think of, and use without having to elaborate on any details. The point being was, it can be entirely worth running multi-million dollar crime rings if you can throw more money at the court than the state can. Such as, if they’re trying to convict you of a crime in which you obtained a million dollars, and you manage to drag it on long enough to exceed that million before having to goto trial, it’s highly likely that they will try and cut a deal with you so the state isn’t wasting anymore money which will result in you getting significantly less time than they were originally trying to sentence you with.

Even then, if you had millions stowed away, and you’re doing your time. You could throw some more of that money into appeals, and perhaps have your sentence completely thrown out all together from winning the appeal. This is basically what Mario Tabraue from Tiger King did. He was supposed to face a hundred years for being a cocaine King Pin and participating in the murder, dismemberment, and burning of a federal informant. He threw some of the millions he had into appeals, won the appeal, and only served 12 instead of a 100.

All in all, I agree entirely. Like I also said to Pogo, I knew a junkie named Rob who thought it would be lucrative to rob some banks. He robbbed 2 or 3 only walked away in total with like 5 grand, blew it all on heroin and got caught. Can’t remember the last time bank robbing was lucrative, seems like something that was only worth doing in the 50’s and older.

A smart criminal does exactly what you said, and what I already had said myself. Invest that dirty money into legit businesses and turn it into clean money. If you have a criminal enterprise and you aren’t laundering money, then you need to stop because if you get caught you’re losing literally everything, not even worth doing if you don’t launder your money. I don’t know why a lot of criminals don’t do this, money laundering is so fucking easy, even people that aren’t criminals take part in it and have literally no idea they just committed a serious financial crime.