Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:59 am
I was reading a bit up on Mad Sam Destefano. A real charmer he was. He would purposefully loan money to very high risk people hoping they wouldn't be able to pay so he would have an excuse take them to his chamber in his basement to torture them. One of his guys said he would foam at the mouth while torturing people. Mad Sam was a serial killer who was discovered by the mob.
Pogo
I also read somewhere (can't remember) that Sam DeStefano was a devil worshipper. Either way, a truly sick, evil, demented man.
that Mad Sam was a sick fuck!..... end the end, they had to kill him too. WAAAAY outta control. anybody that can do that sort of stuff is a sicky, period!
It's one thing to shoot a guy. its a whole other thing to torture and/or dismember a human being. SICK!..... and these type of guys get their rocks off doing this kinda shit.
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:10 pmJames Torello: Jackson was hung up on that meat hook. He was so heavy he bent it. He was on that thing three days before he croaked.
Frank Buccieri (giggling): Jackie, you shoulda seen the guy. Like an elephant, he was, and when Jimmy hit him with that electric prod...
Torello (excitedly): He was floppin' around on that hook, Jackie. We tossed water on him to give the prod a better charge, and he's screamin'....
(Excerpt from FBI wiretap of Cosa Nostra telephone conversation relating to murder of William Jackson)
This was part of the preface to the book The Exorcist, which had a few quotes relating to evil.
Looks like the torture was even worse than we thought. Some real sick bastards in the Outfit. Who else was involved besides Torello and Buccieri? My memory is real hazy but I seem to recall Mad Sam and Tony Spilotro also taking part. I know it was mentionen in the Spilotro book.
He had many cuts and burns all over his body, his chest had been crushed and he had a hole in his right ear from some type of sharp object.
Jackson was impaled through his rectum with a meat hook, hanging a foot in the air, while being questioned by mob enforcers. Jackson kept insisting he was not an informer but his torturers did not believe him. They stripped him naked, smashed his kneecaps with a bat, one of them shot him with a gun, broke his ribs, stuck him with sharp objects, used a cattle prod on his penis and anus making him lose his bowels, burned parts of his body with a blow torch, and told him how they were going to kill his wife and children if he did not confess. Then they left him for three days until he finally succumbed to his wounds.
Confederate wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:14 pm
I also read somewhere (can't remember) that Sam DeStefano was a devil worshipper. Either way, a truly sick, evil, demented man.
From Wikipedia. Yeah he definitely was not playing with a full deck.
DeStefano's partner in the drug dealing business was rogue cop Tommy Dorso. Dorso said he once saw DeStefano roll on the floor, with spit running from his mouth, begging Satan to show him mercy and screaming over and over again, "I'm your servant; command me."
It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits.
If I were Favara the second I hit the kid I would’ve got my family immediately and got the fuck out of state and never come back.
How fucking stupid can you be. Beggars belief.
Pogo The Clown wrote:The recent Jeffrey Blackman thread got me thinking of mob murders. Which are some of the most brutal? For me the worst has to be Action Jackson in Chicago. They hung him up on a meat hook through his ass, busted his knee caps with a hammer or bat, jabbed his balls with a caddle prod, then for a little extra kick they wet the caddle prod and jabbed his genitals again all in an effort to make him confess to being a rat. Finally they just left him hanging there for days until he eventually died. Poor bastard wasn't even an informant.
Pogo
They must have hated his guts anyway and were just looking for a reason to torture him to death. The people who did this are on a whole different level than your average sadist.
Pogo the Clown wrote:Looks like the torture was even worse than we thought. Some real sick bastards in the Outfit. Who else was involved besides Torello and Buccieri? My memory is real hazy but I seem to recall Mad Sam and Tony Spilotro also taking part. I know it was mentionen in the Spilotro book.
I've seen Mad Sam's name associated with that murder, not surprisingly. Don't remember Spilotro but certainly possible. I imagine it took several guys to kidnap him and hoist him on that hook.
JMAN723 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2019 11:43 amFavara unfortunately probably suffered a much harsher death. I don’t believe any of the crap the Gotti spew out. For four months Favara must have been savaged shitless plus having to deal with the fact that he accidentally killed a young boy must have been mental torture
Then Charles Carneglia, who is sick of being hounded, meets Angelo Ruggiero at a restaurant and drops Favara's finger bone in Ruggiero's soup as proof the job is done.
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:10 am
The recent Jeffrey Blackman thread got me thinking of mob murders. Which are some of the most brutal? For me the worst has to be Action Jackson in Chicago. They hung him up on a meat hook through his ass, busted his knee caps with a hammer or bat, jabbed his balls with a caddle prod, then for a little extra kick they wet the caddle prod and jabbed his genitals again all in an effort to make him confess to being a rat. Finally they just left him hanging there for days until he eventually died. Poor bastard wasn't even an informant.
Pogo
James Torello: Jackson was hung up on that meat hook. He was so heavy he bent it. He was on that thing three days before he croaked.
Frank Buccieri (giggling): Jackie, you shoulda seen the guy. Like an elephant, he was, and when Jimmy hit him with that electric prod...
Torello (excitedly): He was floppin' around on that hook, Jackie. We tossed water on him to give the prod a better charge, and he's screamin'....
(Excerpt from FBI wiretap of Cosa Nostra telephone conversation relating to murder of William Jackson)
This was part of the preface to the book The Exorcist, which had a few quotes relating to evil.
Speaking of The Outfit did Tony Spilotro really put a guys head in a vice after putting an ice pick in his balls or was that just something in the movie? I forgot.
Pogo
It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits.
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:15 pm
Speaking of The Outfit did Tony Spilotro really put a guys head in a vice after putting an ice pick in his balls or was that just something in the movie? I forgot.
It's real. The M&M murders. (Billy McCarthy and Charlie Miraglia - Pesci actually bitches about "Charlie M" in the movie as you'll recall. They were killed for killing the scalvos and a girl with them, which turned into "shot up Remo's bar and killed a waittress" in the movie.)
Roemer I think was said that he saw the picture and the guy's head was like five inches wide with one eye popped out.
It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits.
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:15 pm
Speaking of The Outfit did Tony Spilotro really put a guys head in a vice after putting an ice pick in his balls or was that just something in the movie? I forgot.
It's real. The M&M murders. (Billy McCarthy and Charlie Miraglia - Pesci actually bitches about "Charlie M" in the movie as you'll recall. They were killed for killing the scalvos and a girl with them, which turned into "shot up Remo's bar and killed a waittress" in the movie.)
Roemer I think was said that he saw the picture and the guy's head was like five inches wide with one eye popped out.
Allegedly Spilotro told Cullotta that when the guy's eye popped out, Chuck Nicoletti was sitting near by, ate pasta and smiled
Do not be deceived, neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God - Corinthians 6:9-10
Villain wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:25 pm
Allegedly Spilotro told Cullotta that when the guy's eye popped out, Chuck Nicoletti was sitting near by, ate pasta and smiled
Yeah the actual quote from the Casino book was "Boy, this is a heartless guy. He was eating pasta when Billy's eye popped out."
I live in Vegas now and I think I'm gonna do Culotta's mob tour just for the hell of it. If I ever win money playing cards again I probably will. (For some reason I'd feel like an idiot if I gave Culotta money I made from actual work. )
Villain wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:25 pm
Allegedly Spilotro told Cullotta that when the guy's eye popped out, Chuck Nicoletti was sitting near by, ate pasta and smiled
Yeah the actual quote from the Casino book was "Boy, this is a heartless guy. He was eating pasta when Billy's eye popped out."
I live in Vegas now and I think I'm gonna do Culotta's mob tour just for the hell of it. If I ever win money playing cards again I probably will. (For some reason I'd feel like an idiot if I gave Culotta money I made from actual work. )
Well Chuck made his bones when he was just a kid by killing his own father. His whole body count is unknown
I agree, i would also feel like an idiot if i gave some of my money to that guy lol
Do not be deceived, neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God - Corinthians 6:9-10
Wiseguy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:10 pmJames Torello: Jackson was hung up on that meat hook. He was so heavy he bent it. He was on that thing three days before he croaked.
Frank Buccieri (giggling): Jackie, you shoulda seen the guy. Like an elephant, he was, and when Jimmy hit him with that electric prod...
Torello (excitedly): He was floppin' around on that hook, Jackie. We tossed water on him to give the prod a better charge, and he's screamin'....
(Excerpt from FBI wiretap of Cosa Nostra telephone conversation relating to murder of William Jackson)
This was part of the preface to the book The Exorcist, which had a few quotes relating to evil.
Looks like the torture was even worse than we thought. Some real sick bastards in the Outfit. Who else was involved besides Torello and Buccieri? My memory is real hazy but I seem to recall Mad Sam and Tony Spilotro also taking part. I know it was mentionen in the Spilotro book.
He had many cuts and burns all over his body, his chest had been crushed and he had a hole in his right ear from some type of sharp object.
Jackson was impaled through his rectum with a meat hook, hanging a foot in the air, while being questioned by mob enforcers. Jackson kept insisting he was not an informer but his torturers did not believe him. They stripped him naked, smashed his kneecaps with a bat, one of them shot him with a gun, broke his ribs, stuck him with sharp objects, used a cattle prod on his penis and anus making him lose his bowels, burned parts of his body with a blow torch, and told him how they were going to kill his wife and children if he did not confess. Then they left him for three days until he finally succumbed to his wounds.
Confederate wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:14 pm
I also read somewhere (can't remember) that Sam DeStefano was a devil worshipper. Either way, a truly sick, evil, demented man.
From Wikipedia. Yeah he definitely was not playing with a full deck.
DeStefano's partner in the drug dealing business was rogue cop Tommy Dorso. Dorso said he once saw DeStefano roll on the floor, with spit running from his mouth, begging Satan to show him mercy and screaming over and over again, "I'm your servant; command me."
According to Ovid Demaris who wrote a great book on the Outfit called "Captive City", the information about the murder came about on a wire. Jack Cerone was there for the torture murder along with Fiore Buccieri. Apparently, Jackson worked as a juice collector for both Fiore Buccieri & Sam DeStefano. It was actually the idea of Cerone to use the cattle prod and it was Fiore Buccieri who actually shoved it all the way up Jackson's ass.
Jesus, these guys were mentally ill sick bastards. If they were trying to send message, the message was loud and clear to any potential informant.
Some real sick bastards in the Outfit. Who else was involved besides Torello and Buccieri? My memory is real hazy but I seem to recall Mad Sam and Tony Spilotro also taking part. I know it was mentionen in the Spilotro book.
For those who haven't seen it here is a color photograph of Action Jackson at morgue. Pretty nasty. Merry Christmas. 
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