Tony Accardo's Desk and Conference Table (Update Page 8 FBI Bill Roemer)

[Stroccos]

Also Friend what is your take on the Sense bombing. He was close and possibly related to Accardo. Accardo was still alive when the bombing happened.

Sorry should be Dom Senese

It was his son Lucien Senese that survived the Car Bombing in 1990 and was partially disabled. Dominic, the father, was shot a couple of years earlier and survived that outside of his home in 1988. Dominic Senese was ousted from the Teamsters 703 and then Lucien got bombed right after that to send the message that he wasn't wanted. Dominic Senese, the father, died in 1992 of Natural Causes.

As it relates to the Senese Family - they just don't get shot or bombed without warning. Obviously, they were not taking heed the message they had been receiving...

Thought the name sounded familiar that Union is tied to Cleveland and Chicago long standing mob ties
I am going to assume there related to Joseph senese of the National production workers union , ( Chicago local

[FriendofFamily]

Also Friend what is your take on the Sense bombing. He was close and possibly related to Accardo. Accardo was still alive when the bombing happened.

Sorry should be Dom Senese

It was his son Lucien Senese that survived the Car Bombing in 1990 and was partially disabled. Dominic, the father, was shot a couple of years earlier and survived that outside of his home in 1988. Dominic Senese was ousted from the Teamsters 703 and then Lucien got bombed right after that to send the message that he wasn't wanted. Dominic Senese, the father, died in 1992 of Natural Causes.

As it relates to the Senese Family - they just don't get shot or bombed without warning. Obviously, they were not taking heed the message they had been receiving...

Thought the name sounded familiar that Union is tied to Cleveland and Chicago long standing mob ties
I am going to assume there related to Joseph senese of the National production workers union , ( Chicago local

Yes Joseph is the older brother of Lucien.

[Stroccos]

Also Friend what is your take on the Sense bombing. He was close and possibly related to Accardo. Accardo was still alive when the bombing happened.

Sorry should be Dom Senese

It was his son Lucien Senese that survived the Car Bombing in 1990 and was partially disabled. Dominic, the father, was shot a couple of years earlier and survived that outside of his home in 1988. Dominic Senese was ousted from the Teamsters 703 and then Lucien got bombed right after that to send the message that he wasn't wanted. Dominic Senese, the father, died in 1992 of Natural Causes.

As it relates to the Senese Family - they just don't get shot or bombed without warning. Obviously, they were not taking heed the message they had been receiving...

Thought the name sounded familiar that Union is tied to Cleveland and Chicago long standing mob ties
I am going to assume there related to Joseph senese of the National production workers union , ( Chicago local

Yes Joseph is the older brother of Lucien.

Thanks , looks like he was or still is pulling 500k for a 500 member union LOL


https://www.unionfacts.com/employee/Nat ... PH/SENESE/

clevelands guy gets 56k

https://www.unionfacts.com/local/employ ... /OLIVERIO/

[Confederate]

@Friend Of Family
Frank Cullotta said in a video interview that in 1986 Joe Ferriola "ordered" Tony Spilotro and his brother to be killed. Joey Auippa & Jack Cerone were in prison of course at this time. It sounded like Cullotta was saying that at least for a very brief time before he got real sick, Ferriola was the Top Boss on the Street representing Auippa/Cerone. Was it possible Ferriola really was the top Boss for maybe 1 or 2 years BEFORE Carlisi?
The F.B.I. even said he was the Top Boss for a short while. However, the popular opinion has been Carlisi and never Ferriola. What do you think about it?

[Frank]

Didn't Cullotta say other things that sounded s bit off in his interview.

[Confederate]

Didn't Cullotta say other things that sounded s bit off in his interview.

The Interview is in the Chicago Mafia vs. The New York Mafia Thread. You can view it for yourself. It's interesting to hear his take on it.

[Snakes]

The three top guys that flipped around that time -- Calabrese, Scarpelli, and Lenny Patrick -- all mention Carlisi as succeeding to boss after Aiuppa's imprisonment. However, Ferriola could have been relaying the order from Carlisi.

[FriendofFamily]

@Friend Of Family
Frank Cullotta said in a video interview that in 1986 Joe Ferriola "ordered" Tony Spilotro and his brother to be killed. Joey Aiuppa & Jack Cerone were in prison of course at this time. It sounded like Cullotta was saying that at least for a very brief time before he got real sick, Ferriola was the Top Boss on the Street representing Aiuppa/Cerone. Was it possible Ferriola really was the top Boss for maybe 1 or 2 years BEFORE Carlisi?
The F.B.I. even said he was the Top Boss for a short while. However, the popular opinion has been Carlisi and never Ferriola. What do you think about it?

Joe Ferriola was certainly a Boss, I don't think that until afterwards, when everything went down, that Carlisi through attrition, convictions, and other matters, it was necessary to Consolidate and Control more through Sam Carlisi. That's why Carlisi seems more in Charge than Joe Ferriola - it was a timing issue and just bad/good luck that Sam Carlisi ended up like that.

Joe Ferriola was the proper channel to get Spilotros killed that is what Frank Cullotta is saying.

I believe that Ferriola and Carlisi discussed it together.

I believe Ferriola was Boss before Carlisi and Ferriola was NOT answering to Carlisi.

Carlisi was in a timed opportunity/necessity to Consolidate Power and then people starting thinking because after the fact he controlled so much now he was probably Boss before and not Ferriola. That is why they think he (Carlisi) was BOSS and he wasn't yet.

That is the Best opinion I have with the limited knowledge I have of the situation.

[FriendofFamily]

The three top guys that flipped around that time -- Calabrese, Scarpelli, and Lenny Patrick -- all mention Carlisi as succeeding to boss after Aiuppa's imprisonment. However, Ferriola could have been relaying the order from Carlisi.

And I believe based on the why Snakes has that opinion because of the Testimony of the Guys that Flipped.

This is just my opinion, but I think that the three of them, after the fact, that Carlisi had consolidated power and he was underboss, (so it appeared to them that he was BOSS) and then BOSS that they thought he was BOSS before he was BOSS. I don't know how this will get resolved.

[Snakes]

Scarpelli was directly under Ferriola via Infelise, so it seems to me like he'd be in a good position to know. In his initial debriefing by the FBI in 1988, he described Carlisi as "boss," adding that Carlisi was formerly the bodyguard and driver for Joey Aiuppa, "the previous boss" of the Chicago mob" [emphasis added by me]. This would seem to indicate that leadership transitioned directly from Aiuppa to Carlisi.

[FriendofFamily]

Scarpelli was directly under Ferriola via Infelise, so it seems to me like he'd be in a good position to know. In his initial debriefing by the FBI in 1988, he described Carlisi as "boss," adding that Carlisi was formerly the bodyguard and driver for Joey Aiuppa, "the previous boss" of the Chicago mob" [emphasis added by me]. This would seem to indicate that leadership transitioned directly from Aiuppa to Carlisi.

As how the Chicago Outfit has always gone - Who is out front appearing to be Boss and who really is Boss

People knew Sam Giancana and not Tony Accardo - not exactly the same but you get my analogy.

I can be persuaded either way because - who is Boss to them or perceived to be Boss.

[Snakes]

I think the difference there is that everyone (street and feds) knew that Ricca and Accardo were the top powers in the Outfit and that Giancana was the guy that dealt with the Outfit on a street-level. I believe that Ferriola was just too ill to take on a full-time role as boss of the Outfit, let alone that of his own crew, which Infelise had slowly started taking a larger and larger hand in running.

[FriendofFamily]

I think the difference there is that everyone (street and feds) knew that Ricca and Accardo were the top powers in the Outfit and that Giancana was the guy that dealt with the Outfit on a street-level. I believe that Ferriola was just too ill to take on a full-time role as boss of the Outfit, let alone that of his own crew, which Infelise had slowly started taking a larger and larger hand in running.

Maybe they started with Ferriola and realized he was too sick and/or couldn't handle it then, so they moved on Carlisi, but in a nice respectful way of transitioning.

[Frank]

Cullotta mentions a kind of off the cuff brief past history of former bosses, that also really doesn't follow the timeline of what we know. As for him saying Aiuppa didn't order the Spillotro hit, sounds like that is just his own personal opinion. It sounds like Ferriola got the order to handle the hit from his superiors.

[Snakes]

I'm not sure how much stock I'd put in Cullotta's info post-1982, which is when he went into the WPP.