Mob Talk Sitdown 31

[Rat]

Would you guys say Philly is the most active family outside of NY? There seems to be constant news on them, or is it just because they are covered a lot more than the others

[Moscone65]

I would say because they are closest to the street/ more street gangish compared to other families if that makes sense. I really believe patriarchas have similar membership numbers and activity, same with decavalcante, but they are more quiet and discreet. Joey Merlino has an Instagram and toon pictures with rappers and shit. I mean he’s a stand up guy but imo philly is kind of a “Hollywood” family.

[Moscone65]

And it’s been like that ever since Bruno was killed

[Rocco]

Would you guys say Philly is the most active family outside of NY? There seems to be constant news on them, or is it just because they are covered a lot more than the others

I would say that's just because of media like Mobtalk etc. They are relatively small family with limited rackets. Gambling, Loansharking and Drugs etc.

[Stroccos]

Would you guys say Philly is the most active family outside of NY? There seems to be constant news on them, or is it just because they are covered a lot more than the others

I would say that's just because of media like Mobtalk etc. They are relatively small family with limited rackets. Gambling, Loansharking and Drugs etc.

yeah in the last ligambi case they were indicted for making 500 dollar loans ,

[NJShore4Life]

Fox 29 in Particular with Mayo Face’s coverage has made the Philly Family members into B list celebrities in the Philly area.

As long as there’s an Italian South Philly there will always be the Philly Mob in some form, there’s no shortage of young guys who wanna roll with that crew in South Philly.

They’re truly the “popular” crowd in South Philly if South Philly were a High School.

[Pogo The Clown]

Would you guys say Philly is the most active family outside of NY? There seems to be constant news on them, or is it just because they are covered a lot more than the others

I would say that's just because of media like Mobtalk etc. They are relatively small family with limited rackets. Gambling, Loansharking and Drugs etc.

yeah in the last ligambi case they were indicted for making 500 dollar loans ,

[Chucky]

Fox 29 in Particular with Mayo Face’s coverage has made the Philly Family members into B list celebrities in the Philly area.

As long as there’s an Italian South Philly there will always be the Philly Mob in some form, there’s no shortage of young guys who wanna roll with that crew in South Philly.

They’re truly the “popular” crowd in South Philly if South Philly were a High School.

Pretty much this to a tee. Mob talk was a popular segment on the news in its day and gave these guys status locally, fuck remember the non-stop reporting on Angelina and Monacello? Fox29 had camera men stalking these guys walking around the neighborhood.

[Wiseguy]

Fox 29 in Particular with Mayo Face’s coverage has made the Philly Family members into B list celebrities in the Philly area.

As long as there’s an Italian South Philly there will always be the Philly Mob in some form, there’s no shortage of young guys who wanna roll with that crew in South Philly.

They’re truly the “popular” crowd in South Philly if South Philly were a High School.

Pretty much this to a tee. Mob talk was a popular segment on the news in its day and gave these guys status locally, fuck remember the non-stop reporting on Angelina and Monacello? Fox29 had camera men stalking these guys walking around the neighborhood.

Can you imagine if Capeci and/or some TV reporter was that proactive in New York/New Jersey? Same for Tim White up New England or Chuck Goudie in Chicago.

[slimshady_007]

Fox 29 in Particular with Mayo Face’s coverage has made the Philly Family members into B list celebrities in the Philly area.

As long as there’s an Italian South Philly there will always be the Philly Mob in some form, there’s no shortage of young guys who wanna roll with that crew in South Philly.

They’re truly the “popular” crowd in South Philly if South Philly were a High School.

Pretty much this to a tee. Mob talk was a popular segment on the news in its day and gave these guys status locally, fuck remember the non-stop reporting on Angelina and Monacello? Fox29 had camera men stalking these guys walking around the neighborhood.

Can you imagine if Capeci and/or some TV reporter was that proactive in New York/New Jersey? Same for Tim White up New England or Chuck Goudie in Chicago.

Capeci doin short mob talks while hangin around mob areas in Brooklyn would be great, but i doubt he’d want to do it.

[gohnjotti]

Would you guys say Philly is the most active family outside of NY? There seems to be constant news on them, or is it just because they are covered a lot more than the others

DeCavalcantes may indeed be able to match Philly in terms of activity, although I’ve got nothing more than speculation to back that up. The Stango Bust of 2015 showed a street-level crew involved in just about every blue collar crime the Mafia is famous for, and you also had Charles Stango on tape claiming that he “planted” the DeCavalcante’s flag in Florida, Nevada and California(?) or something like that.
On the other hand, there was a recent bust from a couple of years back that showed white collar activity from a septuagenarian soldier. The funny thing is, the bust wasn’t even an “Mafia” crime bust, and the soldier’s LCN affiliation wasn’t even mentioned. I can’t remember exactly who was busted, or what for, but I know it was classic labor racketeering-type stuff.

If the DeCavs have at least a handful of crews (let’s say 3-4), and they operate in both blue-collar (like Stango) and white collar (like the other dude) type crimes, then they could easily match Philly in terms of activity. They have the added benefit of not having a designated OC squad against them too, so mob-busters in Jersey also have to detail with the Five Families as well as, to some extent, Philly.

I don’t want to be one of those posters that makes mountains out of molehills for a family that may indeed be on its last legs, but what we know about the DeCavs is that they are at least: continuing to hold induction ceremonies (Luigi Oliveri a couple of years ago, for instance), they are involved in both blue-collar and white-collar crimes (as opposed to Philly, who are “glorified bookmakers as Pogo said), they have a wide recruiting pool (New Jersey), and have the added bonus of seriously reduced law enforcement pressure.

I wouldn’t want anybody to read this and get the impression that the DeCavs are the secret power behind Jersey or are making a huge underworld comeback, but I feel like all of these factors should be taken into account when looking at families outside of NY.

[NJShore4Life]

DeCavs are and always will be tied into construction. The Stango crew were brokester jokes.

[gohnjotti]

DeCavs are and always will be tied into construction. The Stango crew were brokester jokes.

Exactly, but the Stangos were nevertheless an extremely active crew.

[eboli]

I wouldn’t want anybody to read this and get the impression that the DeCavs are the secret power behind Jersey or are making a huge underworld comeback, but I feel like all of these factors should be taken into account when looking at families outside of NY.

I would say their close proximity to New York alone puts them in a far better position than a lot of the other smaller families. It would not surprise me one bit if they are the last ones standing outside The Five Families in the future. We don't know much about their current affairs, but as you said, they are still having making ceremonies, they are still having operations and administration.

[Pogo The Clown]

Would you guys say Philly is the most active family outside of NY? There seems to be constant news on them, or is it just because they are covered a lot more than the others

DeCavalcantes may indeed be able to match Philly in terms of activity, although I’ve got nothing more than speculation to back that up. The Stango Bust of 2015 showed a street-level crew involved in just about every blue collar crime the Mafia is famous for, and you also had Charles Stango on tape claiming that he “planted” the DeCavalcante’s flag in Florida, Nevada and California(?) or something like that.
On the other hand, there was a recent bust from a couple of years back that showed white collar activity from a septuagenarian soldier. The funny thing is, the bust wasn’t even an “Mafia” crime bust, and the soldier’s LCN affiliation wasn’t even mentioned. I can’t remember exactly who was busted, or what for, but I know it was classic labor racketeering-type stuff.

If the DeCavs have at least a handful of crews (let’s say 3-4), and they operate in both blue-collar (like Stango) and white collar (like the other dude) type crimes, then they could easily match Philly in terms of activity. They have the added benefit of not having a designated OC squad against them too, so mob-busters in Jersey also have to detail with the Five Families as well as, to some extent, Philly.

I don’t want to be one of those posters that makes mountains out of molehills for a family that may indeed be on its last legs, but what we know about the DeCavs is that they are at least: continuing to hold induction ceremonies (Luigi Oliveri a couple of years ago, for instance), they are involved in both blue-collar and white-collar crimes (as opposed to Philly, who are “glorified bookmakers as Pogo said), they have a wide recruiting pool (New Jersey), and have the added bonus of seriously reduced law enforcement pressure.

I wouldn’t want anybody to read this and get the impression that the DeCavs are the secret power behind Jersey or are making a huge underworld comeback, but I feel like all of these factors should be taken into account when looking at families outside of NY.

Philly and the DeCavalcantes are comparable in size in terms of made members but Philly has always been much larger when it comes to Associates. In the mid 80s Philly was estimated to have 250 while the DeCavs were estimated to have 80. In 2004 Phily was estimated to have about 100 while the DeCavs were estimated to have about 50. Seems the DeCavs have always been made guy heavy going back to Sam DeCavlcantes days with a very small ratio of associates to made guys compared to other families.


In terms of rackets the DeCavalcantes have also had very minimal involvement in the traditional racket of bookmaking compared to Philly where it is their bread and butter. If you look at the DecAvalcante cases over the last 30 years you almost see no indictments related to sports betting. This is in sharp contrasts to the other families where bookmaking is their lifeblood. What little they did have seems to have been mostly from their NY Crews which were all busted up and destroyed in the 1999-2001 busts. There has been next to nothing in terms of bookmaking since then. I haven't checked recently but I don't think there was even a bookmaking charge in the big 2015 indictment. Contrast that with any big or semi big NY or Philly bust where it is almost always built around their bookmaking rackets.


Pogo