“The mafia is dead”

[Lupara]

I feel like a sit-down is coming.

[Wiseguy]

What issue am I avoiding? You have so many it's impossible to keep track.

There has been only one issue this entire time. You have yet to post a single thing that supports your claim that Asians and other groups surpassed the Mafia in New York. I posted several that say otherwise. And you have no response and won't admit you're wrong.

[slimshady_007]

Wiseguy has a good point. Just sayin.

[bert]

What issue am I avoiding? You have so many it's impossible to keep track.

There has been only one issue this entire time. You have yet to post a single thing that supports your claim that Asians and other groups surpassed the Mafia in New York. I posted several that say otherwise. And you have no response and won't admit you're wrong.

There have been several issues, one is me providing a couple of links after you asked for them, then after I posted you saying they were meaningless compared to your info. Second you saying I should admit I am Dan, then saying yourself I was not, then saying I was again. I think you could be OakAsFan, but he was several times smarter than you, so you are OakAsFan 0.25 I am not Dan. Then there is the issue of me pointing out that Asians demanded negative coverage of them be stopped, surprising crime reports on them. Go to google and type in asian organized crime groups, you get a list of hate crimes against Asians, with a few reports on Asian gangs. Yet if we type in OC and Italians, a million Mafia links come up.

Then there is you, a serious issue. You won't drop an argument, which you started 2 weeks ago in a thread on Mafia recruits. I log on almost every day since, and there you are throwing my name into new topics, along with insults. I even said twice we should drop it, in the Jewish Crime thread, where you are also arguing with me (and refusing to drop it) In fact, this past saturday night, you had 3 simultaneous fights going on in 3 different threads on here, one with me, one on the Detroit thread, and one on another thread. Three arguments in 3 threads 2 days ago. You are an issue, and you are the problem. I expect this to go on for a long time, so go ahead, it's useless to expect you to show any sense.

[500YearReign]

The tentacles of cosa nostra stretch farther than the eye can see, however a well informed and studied researcher can paint an incredible picture of the legal entities in all the different industries. We are talking about tens of thousands of legal entities including trusts, foundations, llcs, etc. It boggles the mind. Just start a search with concrete companies or highrise construction companies in the tri-state. The pieces will fall together easily with a bit of due diligence. Especially if you are intimately acquainted and familiar with "the life" and its history.

Too big to fail is fitting for the combinations.

[Wiseguy]

There have been several issues, one is me providing a couple of links after you asked for them, then after I posted you saying they were meaningless compared to your info.

My Info actually addressed the disagreement. Yours did not. You posted three links:

One dealing with Asian OC in California, which is immaterial since the mob has had little presence there for years.

Another that covered an Asian gambling bust in NY. Great, Asians are involved in gambling in their communities. Thanks for the revelation.

And one to a 1988 article that theorized the possibility of Asian OC eclipsing the Mafia. A theory that never came true, at least in New York. The same with ethnic succession theories about other groups before and after. We saw similar articles making predictions about the Russians in the 1990s. Doesn't mean those predictions ever came true.

You have nothing to support your claims and maybe you were just hoping simply posting links would convince people.

Second you saying I should admit I am Dan, then saying yourself I was not, then saying I was again. I think you could be OakAsFan, but he was several times smarter than you, so you are OakAsFan 0.25 I am not Dan.

It would be difficult for me to be OakAsFan since I had several debates with him. I'm not totally convinced you're Dan but am not convinced you aren't him either. Other than having slightly better grammar, which isn't saying much, you take some of the same positions he does.

Then there is the issue of me pointing out that Asians demanded negative coverage of them be stopped, surprising crime reports on them. Go to google and type in asian organized crime groups, you get a list of hate crimes against Asians, with a few reports on Asian gangs. Yet if we type in OC and Italians, a million Mafia links come up.

In other words, you've taken your own assumption and presented it as fact. Nobody will deny that the Italians often get more coverage than other groups. That's why you can't just depend on the media. You also have to go to other sources - prosecutor websites, reports, etc. that give one a better overall view of things. The media ignoring things doesn't mean law enforcement does.

But that brings up a question. If the media doesn't cover Asian OC enough, and you obviously don't look at the cases involving Asian OC, how do you even know how powerful Asian OC is to begin with?

Then there is you, a serious issue. You won't drop an argument, which you started 2 weeks ago in a thread on Mafia recruits. I log on almost every day since, and there you are throwing my name into new topics, along with insults. I even said twice we should drop it, in the Jewish Crime thread, where you are also arguing with me (and refusing to drop it) In fact, this past saturday night, you had 3 simultaneous fights going on in 3 different threads on here, one with me, one on the Detroit thread, and one on another thread. Three arguments in 3 threads 2 days ago. You are an issue, and you are the problem. I expect this to go on for a long time, so go ahead, it's useless to expect you to show any sense.

I'm fine with dropping it. Even now. I had dropped it before, after your first absurd comment, but them you made another one. When you talk out of your ass, people are going to question you about it. This isn't GBB where any kind of horseshit flies.

[bert]

There have been several issues, one is me providing a couple of links after you asked for them, then after I posted you saying they were meaningless compared to your info.

My Info actually addressed the disagreement. Yours did not. You posted three links:

One dealing with Asian OC in California, which is immaterial since the mob has had little presence there for years.

Another that covered an Asian gambling bust in NY. Great, Asians are involved in gambling in their communities. Thanks for the revelation.

And one to a 1988 article that theorized the possibility of Asian OC eclipsing the Mafia. A theory that never came true, at least in New York. The same with ethnic succession theories about other groups before and after. We saw similar articles making predictions about the Russians in the 1990s. Doesn't mean those predictions ever came true.

You have nothing to support your claims and maybe you were just hoping simply posting links would convince people.

Second you saying I should admit I am Dan, then saying yourself I was not, then saying I was again. I think you could be OakAsFan, but he was several times smarter than you, so you are OakAsFan 0.25 I am not Dan.

It would be difficult for me to be OakAsFan since I had several debates with him. I'm not totally convinced you're Dan but am not convinced you aren't him either. Other than having slightly better grammar, which isn't saying much, you take some of the same positions he does.

Then there is the issue of me pointing out that Asians demanded negative coverage of them be stopped, surprising crime reports on them. Go to google and type in asian organized crime groups, you get a list of hate crimes against Asians, with a few reports on Asian gangs. Yet if we type in OC and Italians, a million Mafia links come up.

In other words, you've taken your own assumption and presented it as fact. Nobody will deny that the Italians often get more coverage than other groups. That's why you can't just depend on the media. You also have to go to other sources - prosecutor websites, reports, etc. that give one a better overall view of things. The media ignoring things doesn't mean law enforcement does.

But that brings up a question. If the media doesn't cover Asian OC enough, and you obviously don't look at the cases involving Asian OC, how do you even know how powerful Asian OC is to begin with?

Then there is you, a serious issue. You won't drop an argument, which you started 2 weeks ago in a thread on Mafia recruits. I log on almost every day since, and there you are throwing my name into new topics, along with insults. I even said twice we should drop it, in the Jewish Crime thread, where you are also arguing with me (and refusing to drop it) In fact, this past saturday night, you had 3 simultaneous fights going on in 3 different threads on here, one with me, one on the Detroit thread, and one on another thread. Three arguments in 3 threads 2 days ago. You are an issue, and you are the problem. I expect this to go on for a long time, so go ahead, it's useless to expect you to show any sense.

I'm fine with dropping it. Even now. I had dropped it before, after your first absurd comment, but them you made another one. When you talk out of your ass, people are going to question you about it. This isn't GBB where any kind of horseshit flies.

So you do have multiple issues, you lied before when you said you didn't. As for me providing links, the only ones you consider good are the ones you agree with. Reality is not just links, and as for dropping it, you end with insults after saying you will drop it. So you an open liar. How about you having 3 fights going at the same time 2 days ago, 3 threads. Joe Hooks thread, this one, and another. Now ask for links.

[bert]

Wiseguy's version of ending an argument:

"I'm fine with dropping it. Even now. I had dropped it before, after your first absurd comment, but them you made another one. When you talk out of your ass, people are going to question you about it. This isn't GBB where any kind of horseshit flies."

You must have a lot of friends with such cheerful way about you

[Wiseguy]

So you do have multiple issues, you lied before when you said you didn't.

What in God's name are you talking about?

As for me providing links, the only ones you consider good are the ones you agree with.

No, I just want to see one that agrees with you.

Reality is not just links,

True but we need more than just bert's opinion.

Anyway, I'll stop holding your feet to the fire. At least until your next absurd comment. Shouldn't be too long.

[bert]

My feet are not to the fire, because I am too smart to play your game. I am further ahead of you then you can believe, and you only believe the FBI, who never lie, right?

[bert]

Wiseguy has a good point. Just sayin.

He disagreed with me, which is fine, but he throws in too many insults to ignore. He wants proof, you start giving him some he tells you you are wrong. I am not going to write to China Mac and request him to come on
(Plus China Mac is a bit of a bullshit artist) I tried dropping it, but the nut case just won't let it go. Plus he had 2 other fights going at the same time with others here.

[Wiseguy]

He wants proof, you start giving him some he tells you you are wrong.

bert, I owe you an apology. In all my haste and belligerence, I apparently missed the "proof" you provided. Normally I would ask you to direct me to that "proof," so I can be straightened out on things. But I will forego that request since you've already been so patient with me.

Maybe another poster, who would be a true good Samaritan, might direct me to this "proof." They would have my undying gratitude.

[bert]

He wants proof, you start giving him some he tells you you are wrong.

bert, I owe you an apology. In all my haste and belligerence, I apparently missed the "proof" you provided. Normally I would ask you to direct me to that "proof," so I can be straightened out on things. But I will forego that request since you've already been so patient with me.

Maybe another poster, who would be a true good Samaritan, might direct me to this "proof." They would have my undying gratitude.

Sarcasm and foolishness, ok, I accept anyway.

[bert]

Some proof for the open minded, this is a Mexican gang reaching from Mexico to Virginia. Two gangs actually in different United States territory. They make enough money to travel from Georgia and Texas for cockfights,
have safe houses in Virginia and sell drugs they bring in from Mexico all over America.


https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2019/06 ... -virginia/

[scagghiuni]

Some proof for the open minded, this is a Mexican gang reaching from Mexico to Virginia. Two gangs actually in different United States territory. They make enough money to travel from Georgia and Texas for cockfights,
have safe houses in Virginia and sell drugs they bring in from Mexico all over America.


https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2019/06 ... -virginia/

the point is that there will never again be a powerful criminal group like lcn at his peak in the states, today there are a plethora of gangs but there is not anymore a dominant national group, mexican cartels import drugs but they don't seem so entrenched in america territory, not even close to lcn was at its peak