Gene Gotti, John Carneglia

[MichaelGiovanni]

Gene allegedly had a solid shy book but worst case they get $ from the admin to keep a DL shy business and more or less semi retire

There is no way that Gene's book that was being taken care of still has the same customers in it from when he went away. I think that it pumped up by news papers. The guy has been gone forever. I bet more then have the customers he had are dead and the rest are paid up ! He has been locked up since 1988 right? lol

So those that are dead or paid up were the only ones that needed money? You don't think that whoever was handling things for him couldn't loan to other people? Come on bro that is a silly argument.

[JIGGS]

John and Gene are going to get treated the same exact way anyone else does who stands for the family. Whether they did 30 years or 30 days. If they want a loan it'll be at a point and a half, at best. If they want a racket, go right ahead. Start one. And don't forget your monthly kick to Mannino, Cali and Dom. If anyone is going to give them an envelope it's going to be the pee ons and wannabees, with a few close pals wetting their beak. Sonny, Julian, that kid from Florida, Nose, etc. You really think Marino, Jo Jo, Lenny D., much less any zips, feel obligated to "reward" anyone for doing a quarter nickel in the can? Did Sonny F. get a mountain of envelopes for being in the guinness world record books? He gets a box of diapers from the VA once a month. Trust me I know. There's no retro pay or reward in this. So you did 30 years and didn't flip. Good for you. Your war story is ahead of the curve. What more do you want? Gratitude? Whose fault was it to begin with? A rat? Nope. All they proved was that they're good soldiers and follow orders. Moving "h" doesn't get you a promotion. Should they give Ernie Boy a promotion when he gets out? Unless Gene monopolizes an industry, or shows finesse in his scams, or even demonstrates an air of legitimization, no old school cowboy shit is going to fly now. No one named Gotti is getting a promotion. Or Carneg. Only way that happens is if they take it. Like they did the first time around. Nobody gives it to you.

JIGGS

[JIGGS]

I think another point to remember is that while cosa nostra is obviously not a prison gang; you still have to consider the connections Gene must have made and maintained by doing 30 years in the Feds. He’s prob done time with big shots and is still friendly with important guys from all five families. Not to mention the amount of connected guys and other street guys he must have made connections with inside. These guys will be lining up at his door to do favors for him when he gets out. Take that to the bank. This guy will have a serious backing among street guys. 100%

All it means is he will still be a connected guy with stripes. So what else is new? They'll line up at his door like anyone else who they assume could make money with from a caper or more. What kind of connections would Genie Gotti have made that's any different than the kind he had before? A drug connect? Bunch of made guys from other crews? That's a day in the life of a bonafide associate. If the street backing is really "serious" they'll remind Gene about respecting the pecking order. I doubt Gene will have to be told. After 30 years in a cage, he's going to be power hungry and intentionally cause a shift in the power balance. Gene will be as quiet as Chicky C. is in Philly. But that's just my opinion. We'll all see soon enough if we're still around.

JIGGS

[SonnyBlackstein]

It’s just your opinion yet I should ‘trust you, you know.’

Okie dokie.

[Uncle Pete]

I think another point to remember is that while cosa nostra is obviously not a prison gang; you still have to consider the connections Gene must have made and maintained by doing 30 years in the Feds. He’s prob done time with big shots and is still friendly with important guys from all five families. Not to mention the amount of connected guys and other street guys he must have made connections with inside. These guys will be lining up at his door to do favors for him when he gets out. Take that to the bank. This guy will have a serious backing among street guys. 100%

All it means is he will still be a connected guy with stripes. So what else is new? They'll line up at his door like anyone else who they assume could make money with from a caper or more. What kind of connections would Genie Gotti have made that's any different than the kind he had before? A drug connect? Bunch of made guys from other crews? That's a day in the life of a bonafide associate. If the street backing is really "serious" they'll remind Gene about respecting the pecking order. I doubt Gene will have to be told. After 30 years in a cage, he's going to be power hungry and intentionally cause a shift in the power balance. Gene will be as quiet as Chicky C. is in Philly. But that's just my opinion. We'll all see soon enough if we're still around.

JIGGS

Yup, we are on the same page Jiggs, its the same treatment that any other capable made guy would get and does get on the street after a long stretch. No one will need to tell Gene to "respect the new pecking order". He did 30 years for Cosa Nostra. He gets it.

Some of the comments in this thread seem like people think this guy was in living in an elevator by himself for 30 years tho. I get it he hasn't seen the street since 1988. People will have to teach him about smartphones and girls shaving their bushes. No one is going to have to teach him shit about cosa nostra and getting behind new management. My only point is, after 30 years down, the guy will still have a ton of friends in the life; both within the binos and other families. He will also most certainly have connected guys who may have done some time with him and will be looking to ride his coattails. Weather that means unmade guys willingly throwing him some envelopes to try to get on record with him or maybe cracking somebodys head for him, who knows?

I'm not saying the top guys in the Gambino's will be "giving" him anything for just doing his time. I'm just saying Gene will certainly hold some sway among a fair number of street guys. In this day and age of guys putting in less and less work, a guy like Gene will have some earners and bonafide tough guys on the street who respect him and want to be around him. That has to be respected. He will be fine.

[Camo]

Gene allegedly had a solid shy book but worst case they get $ from the admin to keep a DL shy business and more or less semi retire

There is no way that Gene's book that was being taken care of still has the same customers in it from when he went away. I think that it pumped up by news papers. The guy has been gone forever. I bet more then have the customers he had are dead and the rest are paid up ! He has been locked up since 1988 right? lol

So those that are dead or paid up were the only ones that needed money? You don't think that whoever was handling things for him couldn't loan to other people? Come on bro that is a silly argument.

People talking about it like they have a clue if it even exists (or did exist) is hilarious. It's like debating the merits of the maltese falcon.

[Pogo The Clown]

People talking about it like they have a clue if it even exists (or did exist) is hilarious. It's like debating the merits of the maltese falcon.

We can assume it existed because Capeci reported it in 2002. Whether it still does or not is another matter.


As for this topic I think Jiggs nailed it.


Pogo

[B.]

I happened to post about this in the charts section just the other day, but Gotti's loanshark operation was in partnership with Joe Scopo and was reported to be "lucrative" even after Gotti's imprisonment. When Scopo was killed, Capeci reported that his brother Ralph Jr. took over his interest and this continued into the 2002s. Peter Gotti was also reportedly looking after his brother's interests during his time as acting boss. Ralph Jr. has since died, but Joe Scopo Jr. was made into the Gambino family after years of associating with some of the younger Bergin crowd like Angelo Ruggiero Jr., which if nothing else is an indication that there is still a connection. Would be curious if Joe Scopo Jr. was involved in the loansharking operation and what might have happened to Ralph Jr.'s interest when he died.

[Rocco]

Gene allegedly had a solid shy book but worst case they get $ from the admin to keep a DL shy business and more or less semi retire

There is no way that Gene's book that was being taken care of still has the same customers in it from when he went away. I think that it pumped up by news papers. The guy has been gone forever. I bet more then have the customers he had are dead and the rest are paid up ! He has been locked up since 1988 right? lol

So those that are dead or paid up were the only ones that needed money? You don't think that whoever was handling things for him couldn't loan to other people? Come on bro that is a silly argument.

Then how are the new customers his..? Come that's just silly. Guy has been gone since 1988 !! And its not an argument. I just don't believe everything I read in those mob articles. Guy has been off the street for 3yrs.

[Rocco]

I happened to post about this in the charts section just the other day, but Gotti's loanshark operation was in partnership with Joe Scopo and was reported to be "lucrative" even after Gotti's imprisonment. When Scopo was killed, Capeci reported that his brother Ralph Jr. took over his interest and this continued into the 2002s. Peter Gotti was also reportedly looking after his brother's interests during his time as acting boss. Ralph Jr. has since died, but Joe Scopo Jr. was made into the Gambino family after years of associating with some of the younger Bergin crowd like Angelo Ruggiero Jr., which if nothing else is an indication that there is still a connection. Would be curious if Joe Scopo Jr. was involved in the loansharking operation and what might have happened to Ralph Jr.'s interest when he died.

All I am saying is that how can Gene claim any of that money today. He has been gone 30yrs. Ok so maybe he is owed or maybe his share was given to his family way back when he went away and his brother was still boss. But in 2018..? Come on. How could he claim really anything that is coming in if it is not even the same book of business which it is more then likely not. 30yr is a long time. 2002 is also a long time ago .

[Rocco]

People talking about it like they have a clue if it even exists (or did exist) is hilarious. It's like debating the merits of the maltese falcon.

We can assume it existed because Capeci reported it in 2002. Whether it still does or not is another matter.


As for this topic I think Jiggs nailed it.


Pogo

agreed. why argue the unknown...

[JIGGS]

It’s just your opinion yet I should ‘trust you, you know.’

Okie dokie.

Don't switch it around Sally. I was referring to the diapers angle and you know it.

JIGGS

[SonnyBlackstein]

It’s just your opinion yet I should ‘trust you, you know.’

Okie dokie.

Don't switch it around Sally. I was referring to the diapers angle and you know it.

JIGGS

Yeah. Nope.

In post A you’re mister definitive who we should ‘trust you, you know.’ then post B you’re just throwing round an opinion.

Personally I respect all legitimate, reasoned, logical opinions, so no beef there, it’s when definitives are tossed around about speculative issues that the eyes roll.

You can have all the opinions on gene and John you want. More power to you. But when you ‘know’, well that’s when you’re a little lost.

[JIGGS]

It’s just your opinion yet I should ‘trust you, you know.’

Okie dokie.

Don't switch it around Sally. I was referring to the diapers angle and you know it.

JIGGS

Yeah. Nope.

In post A you’re mister definitive who we should ‘trust you, you know.’ then post B you’re just throwing round an opinion.

Personally I respect all legitimate, reasoned, logical opinions, so no beef there, it’s when definitives are tossed around about speculative issues that the eyes roll.

You can have all the opinions on gene and John you want. More power to you. But when you ‘know’, well that’s when you’re a little lost.

About diapers?

You're not from 'around here' are you?...

JIGGS

[SonnyBlackstein]

Being clever and being smart are not the same thing.

But you’re smart enough to know that. Aren’t you.