Philly restaurants

[PolackTony]

Dave Portnoy did a review of Angelo’s when it was only a few days old I believe. He gave it a high score and the next day and every day since it’s been packed to the fucking gills. Philly is ok in my book but fuck Chicago and their pizza. New haven is really good I love Sally’s but NY is no slouch. We got totonnos, difara, joes, johns, lombardi, new park, paulie gees, prince street, L&B and on and on.

Which Chicago Pizza did you try?

We had planned to go to Burts but things got switched around and we ended up at Gino's east which was a bad choice. That stuff just isn't pizza...it's like ordering a fried ravioli and they bring you a calzone.

Supposedly the origin of deep dish wasn't even pizza but a sort of baked Sicilian pie type thing made for Holy week. They flipped that recipe as "pizza" to cash in on the post WW2 pizza craze. The places that popularized that deep dish stuff were all founded in the downtown nightlife/tourist areas anyway, they weren't in the actual Italian neighborhoods in Chicago.

As already stated, deep dish isn't really representative of Chicago pizza, it's eaten more by tourists and such. I lived in Chicago most of my life and barely ever ate the stuff. Our real pizza is super thin, and likely descended from pizza Baresa, unlike the chewier Neapolitan style pizza in NYC. Some of the pizza on Staten Island is very similar to Chicago style though. When I think of Chicago, deep dish doesn't even cross my mind.

I've never eaten at Burt's, but the place was founded by a Jewish guy so I wouldn't exactly choose it as an exemplar of Chicago pizza. There's like hundreds of places to get good Chicago thin crust though.

[newera_212]

Dave Portnoy did a review of Angelo’s when it was only a few days old I believe. He gave it a high score and the next day and every day since it’s been packed to the fucking gills. Philly is ok in my book but fuck Chicago and their pizza. New haven is really good I love Sally’s but NY is no slouch. We got totonnos, difara, joes, johns, lombardi, new park, paulie gees, prince street, L&B and on and on.

Which Chicago Pizza did you try?

We had planned to go to Burts but things got switched around and we ended up at Gino's east which was a bad choice. That stuff just isn't pizza...it's like ordering a fried ravioli and they bring you a calzone.

Dave Portnoy did a review of Angelo’s when it was only a few days old I believe. He gave it a high score and the next day and every day since it’s been packed to the fucking gills. Philly is ok in my book but fuck Chicago and their pizza. New haven is really good I love Sally’s but NY is no slouch. We got totonnos, difara, joes, johns, lombardi, new park, paulie gees, prince street, L&B and on and on.

God bless. I agree. I fuck with New Haven pizza heavy, and I'm not one of these "NY or nothing" people - but NY's got it all. I actually have been liking this Detroit pizza trend that's swept the country the past few years. It's different.

But anyway back to NY pizza, apparently the Father and Son duo at Prince Street have "stepped down" ... whatever the fuck that means ... because of some 'racially insensitive' comments they were leaving as replies to Yelp reviews. Because of their location, popularity, and the current Instagram Generation of clientele that frequent the place, I could only imagine the type of bullshit they had to deal with in person and on the internet. I guess they snapped and started writing back - and were pressured by journalists/social media types until they stepped down. Not sure what that means for the business or what that's going to do to the pizza. But, whenever I want that type of pizza anyway (the smaller sicilian with the pepperoni) I have been going for Paulie Gee's Slice Shop version. Paulie is low key the NY pizza boss right now and he basically took what Prince Street did and perfected it.

There's apparently a girl trained by Paulie who is making pies out of her Park Slope apartment that you have to order by e-mail that are supposed to be fucking nuts too. She's got a waiting list until May right now.

Emmy Squared has good Detroit style pizza here in bk.

Frank and Dom Morano are both good guys, they dealt with all sorts of idiots on a daily basis over there. Cancel culture came for them based off of bullshit, I go there more often now because of that! FYI the lines aren't any shorter now. I personally don't think Paulie's square is better than Prince, I like the sesame seed bottom a lot but the Spicy Spring is untouchable imo. Paulie is actually the one who blew up Prince Street! When he was doing all those interviews, tv shows & top 10 lists 5+ years back he always had Prince in his top 5 and from all that promotion and really great squares they became a place with a line down the block from open to close.

Good to hear. I'm glad they are doing well, but at this point they're such an establishment that no amount of easily offended transplant assholes can hurt them. I'm going to be in the city tomorrow morning, depending on what time they open I'll pass by. I been going there since it opened just because I was a fan of Rays (the Lucchese's Rays) , which was pretty good in its own right, and different from all the other Rays. I could talk pizza and NYC food all day unfortunately

[PolackTony]

Dave Portnoy did a review of Angelo’s when it was only a few days old I believe. He gave it a high score and the next day and every day since it’s been packed to the fucking gills. Philly is ok in my book but fuck Chicago and their pizza. New haven is really good I love Sally’s but NY is no slouch. We got totonnos, difara, joes, johns, lombardi, new park, paulie gees, prince street, L&B and on and on.

Which Chicago Pizza did you try?

We had planned to go to Burts but things got switched around and we ended up at Gino's east which was a bad choice. That stuff just isn't pizza...it's like ordering a fried ravioli and they bring you a calzone.

Dave Portnoy did a review of Angelo’s when it was only a few days old I believe. He gave it a high score and the next day and every day since it’s been packed to the fucking gills. Philly is ok in my book but fuck Chicago and their pizza. New haven is really good I love Sally’s but NY is no slouch. We got totonnos, difara, joes, johns, lombardi, new park, paulie gees, prince street, L&B and on and on.

God bless. I agree. I fuck with New Haven pizza heavy, and I'm not one of these "NY or nothing" people - but NY's got it all. I actually have been liking this Detroit pizza trend that's swept the country the past few years. It's different.

But anyway back to NY pizza, apparently the Father and Son duo at Prince Street have "stepped down" ... whatever the fuck that means ... because of some 'racially insensitive' comments they were leaving as replies to Yelp reviews. Because of their location, popularity, and the current Instagram Generation of clientele that frequent the place, I could only imagine the type of bullshit they had to deal with in person and on the internet. I guess they snapped and started writing back - and were pressured by journalists/social media types until they stepped down. Not sure what that means for the business or what that's going to do to the pizza. But, whenever I want that type of pizza anyway (the smaller sicilian with the pepperoni) I have been going for Paulie Gee's Slice Shop version. Paulie is low key the NY pizza boss right now and he basically took what Prince Street did and perfected it.

There's apparently a girl trained by Paulie who is making pies out of her Park Slope apartment that you have to order by e-mail that are supposed to be fucking nuts too. She's got a waiting list until May right now.

Emmy Squared has good Detroit style pizza here in bk.

Frank and Dom Morano are both good guys, they dealt with all sorts of idiots on a daily basis over there. Cancel culture came for them based off of bullshit, I go there more often now because of that! FYI the lines aren't any shorter now. I personally don't think Paulie's square is better than Prince, I like the sesame seed bottom a lot but the Spicy Spring is untouchable imo. Paulie is actually the one who blew up Prince Street! When he was doing all those interviews, tv shows & top 10 lists 5+ years back he always had Prince in his top 5 and from all that promotion and really great squares they became a place with a line down the block from open to close.

Good to hear. I'm glad they are doing well, but at this point they're such an establishment that no amount of easily offended transplant assholes can hurt them. I'm going to be in the city tomorrow morning, depending on what time they open I'll pass by. I been going there since it opened just because I was a fan of Rays (the Lucchese's Rays) , which was pretty good in its own right, and different from all the other Rays. I could talk pizza and NYC food all day unfortunately

What's your opinion on Louie and Ernie's?

[newera_212]

Dave Portnoy did a review of Angelo’s when it was only a few days old I believe. He gave it a high score and the next day and every day since it’s been packed to the fucking gills. Philly is ok in my book but fuck Chicago and their pizza. New haven is really good I love Sally’s but NY is no slouch. We got totonnos, difara, joes, johns, lombardi, new park, paulie gees, prince street, L&B and on and on.

Which Chicago Pizza did you try?

We had planned to go to Burts but things got switched around and we ended up at Gino's east which was a bad choice. That stuff just isn't pizza...it's like ordering a fried ravioli and they bring you a calzone.

Dave Portnoy did a review of Angelo’s when it was only a few days old I believe. He gave it a high score and the next day and every day since it’s been packed to the fucking gills. Philly is ok in my book but fuck Chicago and their pizza. New haven is really good I love Sally’s but NY is no slouch. We got totonnos, difara, joes, johns, lombardi, new park, paulie gees, prince street, L&B and on and on.

God bless. I agree. I fuck with New Haven pizza heavy, and I'm not one of these "NY or nothing" people - but NY's got it all. I actually have been liking this Detroit pizza trend that's swept the country the past few years. It's different.

But anyway back to NY pizza, apparently the Father and Son duo at Prince Street have "stepped down" ... whatever the fuck that means ... because of some 'racially insensitive' comments they were leaving as replies to Yelp reviews. Because of their location, popularity, and the current Instagram Generation of clientele that frequent the place, I could only imagine the type of bullshit they had to deal with in person and on the internet. I guess they snapped and started writing back - and were pressured by journalists/social media types until they stepped down. Not sure what that means for the business or what that's going to do to the pizza. But, whenever I want that type of pizza anyway (the smaller sicilian with the pepperoni) I have been going for Paulie Gee's Slice Shop version. Paulie is low key the NY pizza boss right now and he basically took what Prince Street did and perfected it.

There's apparently a girl trained by Paulie who is making pies out of her Park Slope apartment that you have to order by e-mail that are supposed to be fucking nuts too. She's got a waiting list until May right now.

Emmy Squared has good Detroit style pizza here in bk.

Frank and Dom Morano are both good guys, they dealt with all sorts of idiots on a daily basis over there. Cancel culture came for them based off of bullshit, I go there more often now because of that! FYI the lines aren't any shorter now. I personally don't think Paulie's square is better than Prince, I like the sesame seed bottom a lot but the Spicy Spring is untouchable imo. Paulie is actually the one who blew up Prince Street! When he was doing all those interviews, tv shows & top 10 lists 5+ years back he always had Prince in his top 5 and from all that promotion and really great squares they became a place with a line down the block from open to close.

Good to hear. I'm glad they are doing well, but at this point they're such an establishment that no amount of easily offended transplant assholes can hurt them. I'm going to be in the city tomorrow morning, depending on what time they open I'll pass by. I been going there since it opened just because I was a fan of Rays (the Lucchese's Rays) , which was pretty good in its own right, and different from all the other Rays. I could talk pizza and NYC food all day unfortunately

What's your opinion on Louie and Ernie's?

For a regular gas oven type of place it's one of the best. Their white pie is my favorite white slice from anywhere. When it comes to regular classic ny style they are at least in my top 3 which is always interchangable lol

[PolackTony]

What's your opinion on Louie and Ernie's?

For a regular gas oven type of place it's one of the best. Their white pie is my favorite white slice from anywhere. When it comes to regular classic ny style they are at least in my top 3 which is always interchangable lol

I'm a big fan as well. One of things I miss about living in the Bx.

What are your top coal oven spots? I'll admit to being biased as I lived around the corner a while back, but I used to enjoy the original Patsy's (1st Ave and 118). Liked the simplicity and thinness of their pies. Haven't eaten there in quite some time so not sure how well it's held up.

[chubby]

new haven best pizza in the world

Any spot in particular??? My grandma lives in New Hampshire was going to go visit soon and then come down stop in ct. and then head to stay with my buddy in Brooklyn. Any recommendations would be great. Thanks

Frank Pepe on Wooster st is great but I like Sally’s a little more an would recommend them both legendary joints nonetheless

Didn’t Dave Portnoy give Sally’s in new haven the highest rating out of any pizza???

[Frank]

Like Polack already said and I mentioned on a Buffalo thread that got pizza sidetracked is that thin crust that is square cut often called Chicago Cut is what what we were raised on pizza wise. Pan pizza, Deep dish and Stuffed first made their appearance in the suburbs in the 1970s. Even relatives that were originally from the City thought it was something new. I like the different styles. I like Giordanos stuffed as a change of pace from thin crust.

[CornerBoy]

marras, dante luigis and saloon are the only restaurants Ive enjoyed there.

Maybe Ralphs if there is such a thing was good but THAT CITY SHOULD JUST BE NUKED AND START OVER. WHAT A SHITHOLE!

[ShotgunTheRifle]

marras, dante luigis and saloon are the only restaurants Ive enjoyed there.

Maybe Ralphs if there is such a thing was good but THAT CITY SHOULD JUST BE NUKED AND START OVER. WHAT A SHITHOLE!

Awesome to see the mentally challenged using the internet now. Keep up the good work bud!

[TwoPiece]

What's your opinion on Louie and Ernie's?

For a regular gas oven type of place it's one of the best. Their white pie is my favorite white slice from anywhere. When it comes to regular classic ny style they are at least in my top 3 which is always interchangable lol

I'm a big fan as well. One of things I miss about living in the Bx.

What are your top coal oven spots? I'll admit to being biased as I lived around the corner a while back, but I used to enjoy the original Patsy's (1st Ave and 118). Liked the simplicity and thinness of their pies. Haven't eaten there in quite some time so not sure how well it's held up.

i'd take patsy's over louie and ernie's tbh. frank pepe's white clam is the only pizza i'm going out of my way for these days though. difara's too actually.

[PolackTony]

What's your opinion on Louie and Ernie's?

For a regular gas oven type of place it's one of the best. Their white pie is my favorite white slice from anywhere. When it comes to regular classic ny style they are at least in my top 3 which is always interchangable lol

I'm a big fan as well. One of things I miss about living in the Bx.

What are your top coal oven spots? I'll admit to being biased as I lived around the corner a while back, but I used to enjoy the original Patsy's (1st Ave and 118). Liked the simplicity and thinness of their pies. Haven't eaten there in quite some time so not sure how well it's held up.

i'd take patsy's over louie and ernie's tbh. frank pepe's white clam is the only pizza i'm going out of my way for these days though. difara's too actually.

I like DiFara's, but haven't been recently. Just can't deal with the combo of the wait and the high price per slice. Some of the most obnoxious people standing on line too, but that's any trendy place in NYC I guess.

Frank Pepe's is New Haven-style a'beetz, right? I know they have a location up in Yonkers as well, but I've never been. Anyone know if the Yonkers location is equivalent in quality to the original CT pies?

[PolackTony]

Like Polack already said and I mentioned on a Buffalo thread that got pizza sidetracked is that thin crust that is square cut often called Chicago Cut is what what we were raised on pizza wise. Pan pizza, Deep dish and Stuffed first made their appearance in the suburbs in the 1970s. Even relatives that were originally from the City thought it was something new. I like the different styles. I like Giordanos stuffed as a change of pace from thin crust.

For the deep stuff, I prefer Lou Malnati's, but again I hardly eat the stuff and thus am no aficionado.

Chicago thin crust is often also called "tavern" style, as it originally was served by Italian tavern owners cut up in little squares to keep their bar patrons drinking. Basically it was just the pizza that their wives or mothers, etc already were making at home. Unpretentious and unself-conscious, the opposite of the tourist trap, gluttonous deep dish/stuffed "pizza" (which likely came from some old Sicilian dish that was not at all pizza in the first place). People attribute a parallel origin narrative to Staten Island "bar" type pizza (e.g. Joe's & Pat's, etc), which I have to say is very similar to Chicago thin crust -- very thin, crispy crust. Apparently, there are similar old "bar pies" scattered around Jersey and CT, though I haven't tried any of those to comment.

[johnny_scootch]

What's your opinion on Louie and Ernie's?

For a regular gas oven type of place it's one of the best. Their white pie is my favorite white slice from anywhere. When it comes to regular classic ny style they are at least in my top 3 which is always interchangable lol

I'm a big fan as well. One of things I miss about living in the Bx.

What are your top coal oven spots? I'll admit to being biased as I lived around the corner a while back, but I used to enjoy the original Patsy's (1st Ave and 118). Liked the simplicity and thinness of their pies. Haven't eaten there in quite some time so not sure how well it's held up.

i'd take patsy's over louie and ernie's tbh. frank pepe's white clam is the only pizza i'm going out of my way for these days though. difara's too actually.

I like DiFara's, but haven't been recently. Just can't deal with the combo of the wait and the high price per slice. Some of the most obnoxious people standing on line too, but that's any trendy place in NYC I guess.

Frank Pepe's is New Haven-style a'beetz, right? I know they have a location up in Yonkers as well, but I've never been. Anyone know if the Yonkers location is equivalent in quality to the original CT pies?

I haven't had Louie & Ernie's but I'll get around to it one day. You're right about DiFara it's like $15 for 2 slices and a soda! What I do is look in as I drive by and if it's empty (not often but it does happen) I pull over and run in but if there's a few people in there I just keep going. There was a time when hardly anyone knew how good Difara's was and you could eat your slice at the counter and watch Dom work but Zagat ruined it years ago by listing DiFara and suddenly you had tourists taking the train from the city to get a slice and it was all downhill from there.

I don't go to or pass by New Haven without going to Sally's and/or Louis Lunch both great spots.

[Amershire_Ed]

This isn’t Philly restaurant related per se, but for you guys out there that make a Sunday gravy/sauce.....what cuts of meat do y’all typically throw in?

I’ve been doing short rib, pork butt, beef braciole, and mild sausage for a long time now and am thinking about trying something new introducing some new cuts. Maybe some ox tails and neck bones next time. Anyone have a few “go to’s” that they love for their Sunday gravy?

[Philly d]

gotcha. gotta try this angelos then.