Are the Bonnano's and Gambino's backing The Violi Hamilton Ndrangheta Clan in the Canada War?

[CabriniGreen]

Sciascia died in 1999? Right?

I think La Table, the Hells click and Rizzuto met to set the coke market at 50000 a kilo in Montreal, in like 2000 or so. They moved to organize distribution in Montreal.

I always saw these events as kinda connected. NY distribution was disrupted- severed(?) So they organized Montreal distribution and stepped up exports to Europe.... what do you guys think?

[Lupara]

It's hard to tell. We've all read about a break happening after Sciascia was killed in 1999, though exactly how strong the connection was up to that point is questionable. But we saw Vito Rizzuto indicted as a Bonanno soldier in 2004.

I don't know why you think it was questionable. Before '99 they had a capo who was in direct contact with Montreal and there was regular communication. We have Daniel Renaud stating that Montagna traveled to Montreal to relay messages even before he settled there. Then when he was there he tried to put things back in order. If the Rizzuto faction was a recognised independent group before 2009 Montagna had no right to try and take over that "family" and Nick Sr. wouldn't have needed to sent back the awkward message that Montagna wasn't his boss. If he headed his own family he would have instead sent the message asking what Montagna was doing there and threaten to kill him.

[Lupara]

Sciascia died in 1999? Right?

I think La Table, the Hells click and Rizzuto met to set the coke market at 50000 a kilo in Montreal, in like 2000 or so. They moved to organize distribution in Montreal.

I always saw these events as kinda connected. NY distribution was disrupted- severed(?) So they organized Montreal distribution and stepped up exports to Europe.... what do you guys think?

The ndrangheta and the cartels export to Europe.

[dixiemafia]

We still can't overlook Montagna just trying to use his ex-status and trying to just take over everything in Montreal as he might have thought the Rizzuto's were done then as many did suggest. This has without a doubt been the most confusing family out of anyone.

As for Vito being indicted as a Bonanno soldier in '04, it was due to the 3 capos murder so of course he would be indicted as such. I can't remember if during trial they stated if he was still a Bonanno soldier or not.

[Lupara]

When Vito got out of prison in 2012 one of the first things he did is have a meeting with The New York families. Interesting article I think they even said it was a commission type meeting

Do you have the article please?

http://torontosun.com/2012/10/09/rizzut ... bbecc24883

On top of that, Humphreys states in his latest edition of the Sixth Family that there was a man from New York with Vito Rizzuto's guys during his arrival who was believed to be a hostage, assuring Vito's safety.

So there's plenty of evidence that New York was involved with what was going on in Montreal.

[CabriniGreen]

Where did all of Rizzutos hash go? Were they imports INTO Canada? Is that big out there?

[Frank]

Remember Rizzuto was told to kick up more by Bonnano boss in the early 2000's. He didn't like it, but did.

[SonnyBlackstein]

When Vito got out of prison in 2012 one of the first things he did is have a meeting with The New York families. Interesting article I think they even said it was a commission type meeting

Do you have the article please?

http://torontosun.com/2012/10/09/rizzut ... bbecc24883

Cheers Lupara

[maninblack]

When Vito got out of prison in 2012 one of the first things he did is have a meeting with The New York families. Interesting article I think they even said it was a commission type meeting

Do you have the article please?

http://torontosun.com/2012/10/09/rizzut ... bbecc24883

On top of that, Humphreys states in his latest edition of the Sixth Family that there was a man from New York with Vito Rizzuto's guys during his arrival who was believed to be a hostage, assuring Vito's safety.

So there's plenty of evidence that New York was involved with what was going on in Montreal.

There it is thanks. That was my whole point of starting this post between Montagna getting deported and trying to take over in Canada to Vito meeting with New York when he got out I think a lot of people underestimate at least 1 or 2 of the 5 familes might of backed certain people to take Rizzuto's territory. Like the Violi brothers who just got arrested someone in their family was sniped through his kitchen window in the 70''s by the Rizzuto faction and then in 2010 Nicolo Rizzuto was sniped in his kitchen the same exact way 30 years later. I think New York, Montagna, Desjardins and the Ndrangheta in Canada (The Violi's ) all probably agreed to try to take Montreal and start a new arrangement. Also if you notice every since the 2 Violi brothers were arrested the war and killings in Canada have really slowed down and its been quiet. I love reading stuff on Canada there is a lot of good stuff on them and the way they're killing people its like the 80's in the U.S. which is also interesting in this day in age

[maninblack]

I really wish we got to see how all of that would of played out post prison release for Rizzuto because he was having all the deaths of his family avenged and right back in business there's a great documentary on youtube called Michael Degroote and the Mob where Vito ended up getting into casinos in the Dominican Republic his plan was to use them to launder money. I still think when he suddenly died in 2013 that he was poisoned and it wasn't from cancer. One of the jounalists in Canda that wrote on of the books said people were buying Rizzuto drinks all night and he was fine and then his wife found him collapsed at 6am he went to the hospital and was pronounced dead. If it was cancer why would he be fine drinking all night with hours to live. Also the family wouldn't let anybody do an autopsy for cause of death which made it even more shady

[UTC]

Hollander keeps the Camorra posts pretty steady on BB and there is ongoing fighting weekly shootings sometimes daily. happens enough where they can almost be compared to US bloods and crips fighting for drug turf.

Is that how Ndrangheta is as well?

According to Saviano, the Camorra clans in Naples are very "gang like," fighting over drug turf, lots of murders. The clans in the outer part of the region, like the Casalesi, are more like the Ndrangheta and Cosa Nostra clans.

What would you say is the basis of your contending that labor racketeering is a core racket? Because dealing day to day with people in labor relations in the NY area, comprising a number of unions, no one else thinks that. Not to say it's completely non-existent.

I negotiated with Local 1814 for decades on the port. I've bargained with federal monitors there and have been subpoenaed to testify in corruption cases regarding my counterparts on the labor side. I deposed Anthony Scotto about a secondary boycott when he was in prison. On the other side of the river yes there is still some, but bush league in comparison. I have also headed multi-employer construction bargaining in Westchester and the Bronx for heavy equipment operators, and tried the major manning grievance for the New York and Baltimore Shipping associations. Some people on the forums have known that in detail. So I have a little flavor of it myself.

[UTC]

I don't know why my post became imbedded like that above. Anyway, I negotiated with Local 1814 for decades on the port. I've bargained with federal monitors there and have been subpoenaed to testify in corruption cases regarding my counterparts on the labor side. I deposed Anthony Scotto about a secondary boycott when he was in prison. On the other side of the river yes there is still some, but bush league in comparison. I have also headed multi-employer construction bargaining in Westchester and the Bronx for heavy equipment operators, and tried the major manning grievance for the New York and Baltimore Shipping associations. Some people on the forums have known that in detail. So I have a little flavor of it myself.

[CabriniGreen]

@maninblack

Lol, you know I said something similar on gangster bb, I actually went a little further, though.

I said that i basically saw Montagna as a " Tony Bananas" situation. And that i thought the Gambinos got him an audience with Toronto. And that possibly a faction, (Maybe Aquino- Collucio?) Wanted the Rizzutos out. I suspected the "Sicilian Faction" was trying to regain thier international standing.

I also said that the Bonnanos probably realized it was a mistake to back the Rizzutos over their OWN capo and crew.

Now the Violis, I just dont have enough info on them. I have no idea WHO they answer to, an American family, or are they an Ndrangheta ndrine. And I have no clue exactly what " Todaro family" means. But I dont automatically assume it HAS to be what was traditionally
WAS/IS the Buffalo family.

I wanted to see what everyone else thought, I still do actually....

[CabriniGreen]

@UTC

Great post. I always like to really pay attention to the guys that live there, that have some interaction in real time with the neighborhoods, bookies, unions whatever. It gives perspective we lack on here sometimes...

[CabriniGreen]

Oh, I forgot, a joke i made in a post about rhis.sametopic on the BB...

In my best Vito voice, " Montagna is a pimp, he never could have out fought Vito. But i didn't know till this day, it was the Gambinos, all along"....