Geekgang666 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:22 pm
There is a book out that talks more on the Rochester Mafia called:" The Rochester Mob Wars" here's a website that y'all can check out too. http://www.therochestermobwars.com
Have ordered both books from the site right now, thanks for the link!
Imo the Rochester mafia story would make a good movie if they wanted to make one. The Apalachin meeting, later the imprisonment of the whole "administration", then their release and the cops fabricating evidence even though they were guilty, then Thomas Didio refusing to give up his position, the A team vs B team, the C team, the following RICO trial for the same murders they have been imprisoned for and then released earlier etc. For a small town, it's a story really "rich in events".
A question: the C team was headed by Torpey and Taylor (Irish or Anglo-Saxon?), but most of the members were Italian mafiosi, how was it possible they took orders from 2 non-made members? Or were the C-team members only associates, not made, even though they were Italians?
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Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:46 pm
Lonardo never said Salerno was Boss in 1976. Only that was who they dealt with. He ID Tieri as the Boss during this period. Here is his testimony.
In 1976, John Scalish died, and at a meeting at Scalish's house, Rockman told me and Jack Licavoli, who is also known as Jack White, that Scalish's wishes were that Licavoli become "boss" of our family. At first, Licavoli did not want the job, but I told him to take it, as those were Scalish's wishes. Later, Licavoli made Leo Moceri his underboss and Tony DelSanter his consigliere. One day, I asked Licavoli if he had gone to New York and introduced himself to Tony Salerno as boss of the family. Licavoli said no, and that he did not know that he had to do this. I told him that it was only right, out of respect, since the Genovese family represents us, Cleveland, on the Commission. After this conversation, Licavoli went to New York to introduce himself as boss of our family.
Later, in 1976, Leo Moceri was murdered. Moceri had been murdered on the orders of John Nardi. I became underboss after Moceri's death. After Licavoli named me underboss, he and I traveled to New York to introduce me to Salerno as underboss of the Cleveland family. I had known Tony Salerno since the 1940s, and out of respect for him and the Genovese family, it was proper to let them know of my appointment.
Since the Genovese family represents the Cleveland family on the Commission, I have traveled to New York on several occasions to discuss family business. As I stated earlier, in 1976, Licavoli and I traveled to New York to pay respects to Tony Salerno as the underboss of the Cleveland family. In 1976, after the murder of Moceri, Licavoli and I went to New York to talk to Salerno to obtain his help in murdering Danny Greene and John Nardi. Nardi and Greene had taken a trip to New York to see Paul Castellano about a meat business. Salerno agreed to speak to Castellano and to have Nardi and Greene murdered on their next trip to New York. Nardi and Greene never made a second trip to New York, so New York never helped in their murders. In 1977, Licavoli and I traveled to New York City to see Salerno and requested permission to "make" 10 new members into the Cleveland family. Salerno granted our request and told us if we needed any more members just to let him know. Whenever we wanted to contact Salerno, we would go through "Peanuts" Tronolone (John). Tronolone was close to Salerno and the Genovese family and held the position of Consigliere in the Cleveland family while I was the underboss. Tronolone once jokingly told me that he considered himself a member of both the Genovese family as well as the Cleveland family.
Salerno was acting boss of the Genovese family in the late 1970s as the boss, Funzi Tieri, was sick. Salerno once told Licavoli and me that when Funzi died, he would become boss of the Genovese family.
Fair enough. Looks like the informant was wrong in this case then.
JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2017 4:03 am
55 killings... thats close to montreal!!!
That is just a list of those involved. Only a handful were killed in the ABC wars.
Or were the C-team members only associates, not made, even though they were Italians?
The C team were associates.
Pogo
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Dwain 2014: To answer your question C-Team was not made, only A and B teams were made. Torpey and Taylor were Sammy G's body Guards. The C team had their own little "junior mafia" going WITHOUT Permission, none of them were made There were orders to kill all of them. Three were killed by A-Team hit man Dominic Taddeo. Mastrodonato, pelusio and Dino Tortice.
JeremyTheJew wrote: ↑Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:07 pm
had anyone heard buffalino called the commision chairman or something close to that?
I've never heard him called a commission member let alone the Chairman. How could they let this family have anything to do with the commission following Apalachin?
Never heard of him being on Commission. Also have read an alternate history of the Bufalino Family, in which they claim Barbara was a Capo in the Buffalo Family and never the boss of the Bufalino Family. If that is true than Buffalo Family would have hosted the famous meeting.
Also Bufalino might have met with Commission members concerning Hoffa, but that doesn't mean he was on Commission. I believe he was a part of the LCN control of the Teamsters and was close to Hoffa and probably involved in his death. If any of book Paint Houses is true, Bufalino liked Hoffa and didn't want him wacked. He tried to talk him out of a comeback and tried to warn him. But as they say nothing personal just business.
Frank wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:55 pm
Maggadino was on the Commission.
All Bufalino and Magaddino had a seat in the Commission because was the old sicilian members and was respected for this but after their dead,buffalo lost his seat and the bufalino family extinct.
Buffalo lost it's seat in 1975 before Magaddino died (along with Zerilli and Bruno). Bill Goodyear's Last Testament claims Scranton had a place before being replaced with Bruno.
