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[Fughedaboutit]

Jack Licavoli told Ferrito he'd get him made in Detroit if he killed Danny Greene for Cleveland LCN

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Why Detroit and not Cleveland?

[Adam]

Ferrito said he'd be made in Cleveland. He left LA to get made there.

I don't remmember any mention of Detroit with him.

It is a weird statement that Ferrito made about getting made in Detroit. I've never actually taken it that he thought he'd be a member of the Detroit family. That wouldn't make any sense. I actually always took it as Licavoli was just going to take Ferrito to Detroit for the actual ceremony. Or Ferrito just misheard/remembered. Having the ceremony in Detroit(which I'm guessing would have a little more formality than the one Licavoli threw together for Liberatore and Calandria where Licavoli didn't remember what to say and Fratianno just walked in on it and ended up officiating) wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility.

Adam

[Stroccos]

Ferrito said he'd be made in Cleveland. He left LA to get made there.

I don't remmember any mention of Detroit with him.

It is a weird statement that Ferrito made about getting made in Detroit. I've never actually taken it that he thought he'd be a member of the Detroit family. That wouldn't make any sense. I actually always took it as Licavoli was just going to take Ferrito to Detroit for the actual ceremony. Or Ferrito just misheard/remembered. Having the ceremony in Detroit(which I'm guessing would have a little more formality than the one Licavoli threw together for Liberatore and Calandria where Licavoli didn't remember what to say and Fratianno just walked in on it and ended up officiating) wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility.

Adam

Ferrito was fingered at the scene of the Greene hit and arrested very quickly so it's likely he was never getting made , odds are his trip to Detroit would of been a one way ride

The only people who know the awnsers are long dead ,, we can only guess .
Did Cleveland get permission to make the ten new guys before they hired ferrito?

[Pogo The Clown]

Did Cleveland get permission to make the ten new guys before they hired ferrito?

Yes they did. I imagine if they had gotten away with it Ferrito, Ronnie Carabbia and Butchie Cisterino would have gotten made soon after. The family was hurting for new blood and taking out Greene would have been heir ticket in.


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[scott22]

"Whitey" Besase ran the crew in Toledo, Ohio until he died in 1976.

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[Eline2015]

"Whitey" Besase ran the crew in Toledo, Ohio until he died in 1976.

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Scott, i have a few questions about a Priziola's rank. You wrote, that Priziola was a longtime consigliere, but on MF site in all documents he identified as underboss. You said, that Angelo Meli was underboss from 1936-1969, and than Pete Licavoli was promted, but Priziola was a more natural choice, because he lived in Michigan, and Licavoli was in Arizona and rarely visited Detroit in the end 1960s

[Villain]

Since I know almost nothing regarding the Detriot Mob, can someone please explain to me how can Licavoli as an alleged advisor or underboss for the group chair a meeting in Arizona between the most important bosses at the time (Thanksgiving day in 1958) such as Joe Bonanno, Joe Profaci, Joe Magliocco and Tony Accardo. Was his status higher back than or he simply represented Detroit's interests?

[Adam]

Since I know almost nothing regarding the Detriot Mob, can someone please explain to me how can Licavoli as an alleged advisor or underboss for the group chair a meeting in Arizona between the most important bosses at the time (Thanksgiving day in 1958) such as Joe Bonanno, Joe Profaci, Joe Magliocco and Tony Accardo. Was his status higher back than or he simply represented Detroit's interests?

Do you have more information on that 1958 meeting? For some reason I don't think I've come across that one. But Licavoli representing Detroit seems perfectly normal. Do keep in mind that it's not really clear that Detroit operated on a strict structure of boss-underboss-consigliere-captain-soldier in the 50s and 60s. Or before or after for that matter. Detroit officials in 1963 described the family being run by a ruling council as opposed to a boss/underboss situation. But with Joseph Zerilli being the most important. In 1958 the council would have been Joseph Zerilli, William Tocco, Angelo Meli, John Priziola and Pete Licavoli and they'd all been working closely together for the past 30-40 years. More of a working together situation as opposed to a "you report to me" kind of thing. So in 1958 I don't think it would have been odd for any of them to be treated as a boss representing Detroit as a whole in a meeting with Bonanno, Profaci and Accardo. And that's assuming that the meeting wasn't just about Licavoli's own personal business that might not have involved others. I don't know the context.

[Villain]

Since I know almost nothing regarding the Detriot Mob, can someone please explain to me how can Licavoli as an alleged advisor or underboss for the group chair a meeting in Arizona between the most important bosses at the time (Thanksgiving day in 1958) such as Joe Bonanno, Joe Profaci, Joe Magliocco and Tony Accardo. Was his status higher back than or he simply represented Detroit's interests?

Do you have more information on that 1958 meeting? For some reason I don't think I've come across that one. But Licavoli representing Detroit seems perfectly normal. Do keep in mind that it's not really clear that Detroit operated on a strict structure of boss-underboss-consigliere-captain-soldier in the 50s and 60s. Or before or after for that matter. Detroit officials in 1963 described the family being run by a ruling council as opposed to a boss/underboss situation. But with Joseph Zerilli being the most important. In 1958 the council would have been Joseph Zerilli, William Tocco, Angelo Meli, John Priziola and Pete Licavoli and they'd all been working closely together for the past 30-40 years. More of a working together situation as opposed to a "you report to me" kind of thing. So in 1958 I don't think it would have been odd for any of them to be treated as a boss representing Detroit as a whole in a meeting with Bonanno, Profaci and Accardo. And that's assuming that the meeting wasn't just about Licavoli's own personal business that might not have involved others. I don't know the context.

Thanks a lot Adam, that clears a lot of my personal confusion regarding Licavoli and the Detroit family during that time period. As for the alleged meeting, I believe I came across that information when I was doing some research on Chicago's influence in Arizona and I dont really have much info regarding the event except which I already said that it occurred on Thanksgiving Day in 1958 and in addition, the feds allegedly dubbed the so-called Mob conference something like "the meeting of the four Joes" since Accardo was also known as Joe Batters.

[scott22]

Those documents are wrong re. the rank of Angelo Meli & Papa John. Meli was considered underboss, Priziola consigliere. Papa John was Joe Zerilli's No. 1 advisor.

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[Stroccos]

Since I know almost nothing regarding the Detriot Mob, can someone please explain to me how can Licavoli as an alleged advisor or underboss for the group chair a meeting in Arizona between the most important bosses at the time (Thanksgiving day in 1958) such as Joe Bonanno, Joe Profaci, Joe Magliocco and Tony Accardo. Was his status higher back than or he simply represented Detroit's interests?

Do you have more information on that 1958 meeting? For some reason I don't think I've come across that one. But Licavoli representing Detroit seems perfectly normal. Do keep in mind that it's not really clear that Detroit operated on a strict structure of boss-underboss-consigliere-captain-soldier in the 50s and 60s. Or before or after for that matter. Detroit officials in 1963 described the family being run by a ruling council as opposed to a boss/underboss situation. But with Joseph Zerilli being the most important. In 1958 the council would have been Joseph Zerilli, William Tocco, Angelo Meli, John Priziola and Pete Licavoli and they'd all been working closely together for the past 30-40 years. More of a working together situation as opposed to a "you report to me" kind of thing. So in 1958 I don't think it would have been odd for any of them to be treated as a boss representing Detroit as a whole in a meeting with Bonanno, Profaci and Accardo. And that's assuming that the meeting wasn't just about Licavoli's own personal business that might not have involved others. I don't know the context.

Thanks a lot Adam, that clears a lot of my personal confusion regarding Licavoli and the Detroit family during that time period. As for the alleged meeting, I believe I came across that information when I was doing some research on Chicago's influence in Arizona and I dont really have much info regarding the event except which I already said that it occurred on Thanksgiving Day in 1958 and in addition, the feds allegedly dubbed the so-called Mob conference something like "the meeting of the four Joes" since Accardo was also known as Joe Batters.

Interesting , Licavoli was senteced to prison in July 1958 , if i recall correcly it was 2 years for tax evasion. I wonder if he got a thanksgiving forlough

[Villain]

Since I know almost nothing regarding the Detriot Mob, can someone please explain to me how can Licavoli as an alleged advisor or underboss for the group chair a meeting in Arizona between the most important bosses at the time (Thanksgiving day in 1958) such as Joe Bonanno, Joe Profaci, Joe Magliocco and Tony Accardo. Was his status higher back than or he simply represented Detroit's interests?

Do you have more information on that 1958 meeting? For some reason I don't think I've come across that one. But Licavoli representing Detroit seems perfectly normal. Do keep in mind that it's not really clear that Detroit operated on a strict structure of boss-underboss-consigliere-captain-soldier in the 50s and 60s. Or before or after for that matter. Detroit officials in 1963 described the family being run by a ruling council as opposed to a boss/underboss situation. But with Joseph Zerilli being the most important. In 1958 the council would have been Joseph Zerilli, William Tocco, Angelo Meli, John Priziola and Pete Licavoli and they'd all been working closely together for the past 30-40 years. More of a working together situation as opposed to a "you report to me" kind of thing. So in 1958 I don't think it would have been odd for any of them to be treated as a boss representing Detroit as a whole in a meeting with Bonanno, Profaci and Accardo. And that's assuming that the meeting wasn't just about Licavoli's own personal business that might not have involved others. I don't know the context.

Thanks a lot Adam, that clears a lot of my personal confusion regarding Licavoli and the Detroit family during that time period. As for the alleged meeting, I believe I came across that information when I was doing some research on Chicago's influence in Arizona and I dont really have much info regarding the event except which I already said that it occurred on Thanksgiving Day in 1958 and in addition, the feds allegedly dubbed the so-called Mob conference something like "the meeting of the four Joes" since Accardo was also known as Joe Batters.

Interesting , Licavoli was senteced to prison in July 1958 , if i recall correcly it was 2 years for tax evasion. I wonder if he got a thanksgiving forlough

The last time I did some reasearch on the Outfit's influence in Arizona was three years ago and so I had to go back and look for the information and at first I thought that it came from the Arizona Project but instead, it came from one newspaper article which I believe the link is now dead but luckily someone copied a part from the story. When I re-read it, it is possible that they only used his ranch n Arizona for the meeting...

March 22, 1977

Phoenix Millionaire Linked to Bolles Slaying

….When Prohibition was repealed in 1933, Marley organized the wholesale liquor business that eventually became the United Liquor Co., with branches all over Arizona.

There were hints honesty was not the watchword for Marley’s liquor business. In 1948, two employees were fined and sentenced to terms of imprisonment for making false reports to the government on distilled liquor sales. One of those employes had his jail sentence suspended. (McCain’s father in law, James W. Hensley was that employee….)

In 1953, Marley’s Phoenix and Tucson distributorships were accused of falsifying records to avoid paying liquor taxes, but were found innocent.

As Marley’s liquor business grew, he took part in other business ventures – a frozen food locker, a bottling plant, a sheep-raising business, and ranching operations. In 1946, according to police sources, Marley took up still another line of business, one that brought him into contact with organized crime.

In that year, he and several others, including Cosa Nostra mobster Peter Licavoli took over the racing wire service for bookies in Arizona, police said. The service was the original Transamerica Wire Service established by mobster Gus Greenbaum for the Al Capone mob prior to 1941.

At the time, Greenbaum was concentrating on establishing hotel-casinos for the mob in Las Vegas. Late in the 1940s, Marley and his associates were instructed by the Chicago Syndicate to move Greenbaum out of the Phoenix wire service, and they did so, police sources said.

But Greenbaum had problems. The following information was obtained by IRE from a confidential Phoenix Police Dept. report: “As Greenbaum grew bigger and stronger in Las Vegas, he began cheating his partners and was ordered to sell out or he would be carried out in a box. In early December, 1958, a meeting was held at the Grace Ranch of Peter Licavoli Sr. (Tucson). At this meeting were Joe Profaci, Joe Magliocco, Joseph Bonanno Sr., and Tony Accardo (all mob bosses)”…

The next day, on Dec. 3, 1958, Greenbaum and his wife were found dead in their Phoenix home with their throats slit. James (Jimmy) Aaron, a partner of Greenbaum who police said helped Marley run the wire service, shot himself a year later after leaving a note saying he feared he was going insane.

Others who managed the wire-service operation for Marley included confessed bookie Clarence E. (Mike) Newman, gambler Clarence E. (Teak) Baldwin, who was convicted of tax evasion in 1956, and Pete Abbey, police sources said.

Abbey, manager of the private, exclusive Cowman’s Club in east Phoenix, was indicted last October on 60 counts of sports bookmaking for an operation at the club that police said was raking in $300,000 a month in bets….

[Stroccos]

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The last time I did some reasearch on the Outfit's influence in Arizona was three years ago and so I had to go back and look for the information and at first I thought that it came from the Arizona Project but instead, it came from one newspaper article which I believe the link is now dead but luckily someone copied a part from the story. When I re-read it, it is possible that they only used his ranch n Arizona for the meeting...

March 22, 1977

Phoenix Millionaire Linked to Bolles Slaying

….When Prohibition was repealed in 1933, Marley organized the wholesale liquor business that eventually became the United Liquor Co., with branches all over Arizona.

There were hints honesty was not the watchword for Marley’s liquor business. In 1948, two employees were fined and sentenced to terms of imprisonment for making false reports to the government on distilled liquor sales. One of those employes had his jail sentence suspended. (McCain’s father in law, James W. Hensley was that employee….)

In 1953, Marley’s Phoenix and Tucson distributorships were accused of falsifying records to avoid paying liquor taxes, but were found innocent.

As Marley’s liquor business grew, he took part in other business ventures – a frozen food locker, a bottling plant, a sheep-raising business, and ranching operations. In 1946, according to police sources, Marley took up still another line of business, one that brought him into contact with organized crime.

In that year, he and several others, including Cosa Nostra mobster Peter Licavoli took over the racing wire service for bookies in Arizona, police said. The service was the original Transamerica Wire Service established by mobster Gus Greenbaum for the Al Capone mob prior to 1941.

At the time, Greenbaum was concentrating on establishing hotel-casinos for the mob in Las Vegas. Late in the 1940s, Marley and his associates were instructed by the Chicago Syndicate to move Greenbaum out of the Phoenix wire service, and they did so, police sources said.

But Greenbaum had problems. The following information was obtained by IRE from a confidential Phoenix Police Dept. report: “As Greenbaum grew bigger and stronger in Las Vegas, he began cheating his partners and was ordered to sell out or he would be carried out in a box. In early December, 1958, a meeting was held at the Grace Ranch of Peter Licavoli Sr. (Tucson). At this meeting were Joe Profaci, Joe Magliocco, Joseph Bonanno Sr., and Tony Accardo (all mob bosses)”…

The next day, on Dec. 3, 1958, Greenbaum and his wife were found dead in their Phoenix home with their throats slit. James (Jimmy) Aaron, a partner of Greenbaum who police said helped Marley run the wire service, shot himself a year later after leaving a note saying he feared he was going insane.

Others who managed the wire-service operation for Marley included confessed bookie Clarence E. (Mike) Newman, gambler Clarence E. (Teak) Baldwin, who was convicted of tax evasion in 1956, and Pete Abbey, police sources said.

Abbey, manager of the private, exclusive Cowman’s Club in east Phoenix, was indicted last October on 60 counts of sports bookmaking for an operation at the club that police said was raking in $300,000 a month in bets….
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That makes sense thansk for posting

[Villain]

No problem man, its my pleasure