Pogo The Clown wrote:Minor point but Phil Narducci and Ligambi were made in seperate ceremonies. Phil was made in the March 1986 ceremony and Ligambi in the June ceremony. Before the ceremonies Scarfo had just demoted and shelved the Merlinos and held off on making Ligambi because he didn't know where his loyalties were. Evidently Ligambi fell in with Scarfo because he was made not long after.
moneyman wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:50 amLawrence Merlino proposed Ligambi for membership during the Flowers hit, so that might explain his allegiance to the Merlino's.
Good info moneyman.
I've always wondered the basis of Ligambi's allegiance to Joe as he's 25yrs his senior and was never part of Merlino's street crew (it appeared) during the Stanfa war/saga.
It appears he was made acting when Joe went away as he was/is somewhat of a bridge between the Scarfo guys and Merlino guys (at least when it was relevant back when Merlino went away).
moneyman wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:50 amMy suspicion is that the Scarfo guys vs Merlino guys thing is overblown.
%100 agree.
All this 'faction' talk is bullshit imo. I think the philly guys have realized that in going to war vs making money (not headlines) the money wins. They've done both and the learning curve has cost a lot of them years away but it appears the lessons finally learnt.
It is just common sense not to wage war anymore in this day and age. It would mean the end of the family. They barely survided the previous wars.
moneyman wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:50 amMy suspicion is that the Scarfo guys vs Merlino guys thing is overblown.
%100 agree
All this 'faction' talk is bullshit imo. I think the philly guys have realized that in going to war vs making money (not headlines) the money wins. They've done both and the learning curve has cost a lot of them years away but it appears the lessons finally learnt.
It is just common sense not to wage war anymore in this day and age. It would mean the end of the family. They barely survided the previous wars.
Correct. Which is why it was surprising to see certain reports (reporters) indicating philly was on the verge of war and that several factions were on the brink.
I think with Merlino absent and philly still functioning cohesively that puts that particular theory to bed.
NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:49 pm
Who was Ligambi made with then in June 86?
Salvatore "Tory" Scafidi, Anthony Pungitore Jr, Ralph "Junior" Stiano Anthony Attanasio and Joe "Scoops" Licata were also made in this ceremony. This was the last ceremony Scarfo personally conducted. According to Leonetti it took place at the Merighi's Savory Inn in Vineland, NJ.
NJShore4Life wrote: ↑Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:51 pm
Ligambi was also in jail during the Stanfa War for the Flowers Hit, if he was out at the time I guarantee his loyalty would have been with Merlino.
If Ligambi was out Stanfa never would have become Boss. Ligambi was in line to become Scarfo's Acting Boss until he was nabbed for the D'Alfonso hit. Philly history would have been interesting for sure.
Lupara wrote: ↑Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:34 am
Whom do you speak of when you say Merlinos?
UnderBoss Salvatore "Chucky' Merlino and Capo Lawrence "Larry/Yogi" Merlino. Joey's dad and uncle. Scarfo demoted and shelved them both. Larry went on to flip in 1989.
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No way Scarfo was ever considering putting Ligambi in as acting boss? Are you Serious? This is the first I'm ever hearing of this, Ligambi was just recently made at that point and only had experience a cigarette smuggler, bookmaker, and bartender.
Ligambi also ran a car wash in South Philly for about ten years (side note).
Yeah it was written about in a few places at the time. Not really that unusual for Philly since they often promoted guy's not long after they were made. It wasn't like there were a lot of other options for Scarfo at the time since just about every active member in Philly was under indictment.
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It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits.
