Montagna's Epic Potential to Be Canada's Boss (scarpos claim montagna was aligned w the cartels)

[OlBlueEyesClub]

And what clan has been said to have operations in NY in the past? The Comisso's, according to the Mob Rules book by James Dubro. Going so far as to say they exchanged hitters, and this is a book from the mid-80's.

The article I linked clearly says that according to police sources, Mirarchi offered the coalition, which includes Montagna, a link to support from other Mafia Organizations based in Ontario, without making any mention of Montagna's supposed ties.


I'm not going to say the article you linked isn't valid. But its from an earlier date, which sometimes means they didn't have all the accuracies of information at that point. Not saying that is the case, you may very well be right, I'm just saying, there's more than one possibility of if Montagna had his own ties, or if his links were dependant on someone else.

With all that said, I'd still have to raise the question of if he did have his own ties that were solely dependent on Montagna hinself, why didn't they come to his aide when he was going through this altercation with Desjardins and Mirarchi, why didn't they question or discuss through texts the possible dangers that would come to them from Montagna's own Ontario connections as retaliation? It seems like it wasn't even a thought to them, as if they never had to worry about that aspect. To add on to this, reading the Gazette article again, Desjardins texts Mirarchi saying they're the "cream of the crop" and that they had good guys around them , "something Montagna would never have", certainly if he had his own strong ties to the Ontario Calabrians, they'd be somewhat worried about those guys, no? Also they believed that had they hit the Arcuris first, Montagna would've lost considerable support, again, there's nothing to say that Montagnas meets with those in Toronto and Hamilton and the Violi sons , weren't the product of an Arcuri link. Not saying they were, I'm just saying, there's nothing to support whether they were or weren't. The article also says that Mirarchi had met with guys who said they didn't want to work with Montagna, again, what if , just what if, some of these guys were the same ones Montagna supposedly met with in Southern Ontario?


And that link isn't yet available on mobile devices apparently.

[Lupara]

Even it were solely the Commissos, Montagna would've likely already established connections with them in New York. And even if that wasn't the case, other members from the Five Families would and he did not have to rely on Mirarchi. But then again, I'm just as speculative as you are. The article dates from November 2011, when the police had already intercepted the Blackberry messages and knew what was going on. Shortly after this article was published they arrested Desjardins.

And who says the Calabrians came to aid Mirarchi and Desjardins against Montagna? There was a meeting between the factions in Montreal in August 2011 which was attended by reps from Ontario who were seen leaving in a hurry. It seems that when the conflict between Montagna and Desjardins deteriorated the Calabrians washed their hands of Montreal because they probably knew what was coming. At best they stayed neutral.

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[SonnyBlackstein]

Small point.

We can debunk the theory that Montagna travelled to Montreal, at all, let alone frequently or as Sciascia's emissary.

Montagna was deported after his conviction for the simple reason he wasn't a US citizen. He was living in the US illegally. So being able to exit and enter the US freely was not an option. Once he left the States he would have been denied reentry.

So theres no evidence to my knowledge, to assume he had strong, if any, contacts in Montreal.

[Pogo The Clown]

Entering and exiting the US for an illegal is not the hardest thing in the world.


Pogo

[toto]

Small point.

We can debunk the theory that Montagna travelled to Montreal, at all, let alone frequently or as Sciascia's emissary.

Montagna was deported after his conviction for the simple reason he wasn't a US citizen. He was living in the US illegally. So being able to exit and enter the US freely was not an option. Once he left the States he would have been denied reentry.

So theres no evidence to my knowledge, to assume he had strong, if any, contacts in Montreal.

It was a conviction for contempt they can deport him for. He was there legally but the conviction from 2003 means it broke the residency rules for him and thats why he was deported. If it was like you said he will be deported in 2003.

Anyway, it seems you think Salvatore was a nice law abiding man who will never break any rules like enter another country illegally.

[antimafia]

Small point.

We can debunk the theory that Montagna travelled to Montreal, at all, let alone frequently or as Sciascia's emissary.

Montagna was deported after his conviction for the simple reason he wasn't a US citizen. He was living in the US illegally. So being able to exit and enter the US freely was not an option. Once he left the States he would have been denied reentry.

So theres no evidence to my knowledge, to assume he had strong, if any, contacts in Montreal.

Montagna was born in Montreal; so he had Canadian citizenship. His criminal record in the US would not have been sufficient a reason to revoke his Canadian citizenship, either before or after his deportation. Recall that he had a choice as to which country he was to be deported: Canada or Italy.

My opinion is that before Montagna was deported, he would have had no problems entering Canada, as he was a Canadian citizen. The part I'm curious about is, before deportation, when he would re-enter the US after having spent time in Canada, what flags--if any--were raised at the border. Because the US government didn't realize till 2006 that he didn't have American citizenship.

[OlBlueEyesClub]

Small point.

We can debunk the theory that Montagna travelled to Montreal, at all, let alone frequently or as Sciascia's emissary.

Montagna was deported after his conviction for the simple reason he wasn't a US citizen. He was living in the US illegally. So being able to exit and enter the US freely was not an option. Once he left the States he would have been denied reentry.

So theres no evidence to my knowledge, to assume he had strong, if any, contacts in Montreal.

It was a conviction for contempt they can deport him for. He was there legally but the conviction from 2003 means it broke the residency rules for him and thats why he was deported. If it was like you said he will be deported in 2003.

Anyway, it seems you think Salvatore was a nice law abiding man who will never break any rules like enter another country illegally.

He wasn't living in the US legally. Like antimafia said, it was noticed in 2006 that he didn't have American citizenship. I too have to question how he got back into the country though after returning from Canada. I've never been to Canada period, let alone driving through, but I'd assume he'd have to go through Canadian authorities at the border, there and back, no? I don't really know how that works, but if that's the case then we can at least say Montagna or someone close to him had a in with customs.

[JeremyTheJew]

Does anyone think it could be a possibility that montreal may become like a NYC where there is multiple families?

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[Lupara]

Small point.

We can debunk the theory that Montagna travelled to Montreal, at all, let alone frequently or as Sciascia's emissary.

Montagna was deported after his conviction for the simple reason he wasn't a US citizen. He was living in the US illegally.

You've probably never heard of a green card aka perminent resident status. There are many people in the US who live there and who aren't a US citizen nor illegal, and who can travel back and forth across the border.

[SonnyBlackstein]

Montagna was born in Montreal; so he had Canadian citizenship. His criminal record in the US would not have been sufficient a reason to revoke his Canadian citizenship, either before or after his deportation. Recall that he had a choice as to which country he was to be deported: Canada or Italy.

My opinion is that before Montagna was deported, he would have had no problems entering Canada, as he was a Canadian citizen. The part I'm curious about is, before deportation, when he would re-enter the US after having spent time in Canada, what flags--if any--were raised at the border. Because the US government didn't realize till 2006 that he didn't have American citizenship.

I apologize as I thought my point was quite clear and several respected posters have misunderstood.

I never mentioned a concern regarding his Canadian citizenship. My point was simply this. Living illegally in the US would have made reentry to the US a difficult proposition. Thereby questioning his assumed travel, IE departure from the states, to Montreal, based on his inability to return.

Anyway, it seems you think Salvatore was a nice law abiding man who will never break any rules like enter another country illegally.

What a misunderstanding of what I said. I stated it would be difficult as a non US citizen living illegally to exit and enter the US.
Nothing at all about his proclivity to break the law.

Entering and exiting the US for an illegal is not the hardest thing in the world.

C'mon Pogo. You're smarter than that.



The whole issue (of his ability to travel) rests on whether Montagna was living legally in the US, or illegally. Can anyone clarify?

[Pogo The Clown]

We have over 30 million illegals in this country (could be as high as 50 million). They live out in the open with no real fear of deportation. As we've seen even when they are arrested they are rarely deported. We have tons of narcotics pouring into this country every day. Most of it comnig in as easily as people driving trucks with it across our borders or just walking across with it. Border security is a complete joke and in many areas non-existent. All I'm saying is if Montagna was illegal getting back into the country wouldn't have been any real challenge fo him.


Pogo

[SonnyBlackstein]

The point pogo, is do you think that logically the Bonnano's would tag him as their Montreal emissary requiring frequent travel outside the US if he was an illegal immigrant who had to do so in a post 911 world via a midnight run on jet ski at Niagra falls?

Or maybe they'd tag someone who could just board a plane or pick up their car keys.

C'mon.

[Pogo The Clown]

I don't know. Was he their emisary or just one of several guy's who went over there? Would the Bonannos even now about (or care) about his status?


I don't know as I haven't really been following this. All I'm saying is that his legal status (assuming he was an illegal at the time) wouldn't have prevented him for going back and forth.


Pogo

[toto]

He was in America legally. Green card has conditions like certain crimes within 5 years after you get it you can be deported. Thats what the problem was. He was clearly in America legally.

Montagna not only went in Canada in those years he even visited CDG around when he became acting boss or a little before. Somebody inside FBI noticed his green card decided to use the conviction to have him deported. But to say he was illegaly in America and then build a fantasy on that idea is just another way to say "GO TEAM CANADA".

[OlBlueEyesClub]

I don't know what fantasy you're referring to or whom is going by one, or whatever "GO TEAM CANADA" is. As even if he was legal that still prove that Montreal had much relation to NY around the time of Montagnas Canadian residence , but according to this article by Daily News, he WAS a legal US citizen.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/b ... e-1.363045