oldest criminal groups still active

[scagghiuni]

The Camorra of old lives on today in the heart of the Ndrangheta and nowhere else.

yes, the Ndrangheta was probably a branch of the old Camorra at first, same ranks and structure

[aleksandrored]

the camorra in and around naples goes back well over 200 yrs.. evidence from books in the 1500s make mention of what's thought to be the"Camorra " controlling the gambling in around naples

there is not any continuity, lines of succession, between the old Camorra and the today's one, it is not the same organization

Interesting, when did the old Camorra die? I saw in a documentary that before the NCO it still existed.

[johnny_scootch]

Interesting, when did the old Camorra die? I saw in a documentary that before the NCO it still existed.

In the city of Naples itself early 1910’s but the rural Camorra probably survived past this time. Look up Enrico Alfano and the Cuocolo Trial.

[aleksandrored]

Interesting, when did the old Camorra die? I saw in a documentary that before the NCO it still existed.

In the city of Naples itself early 1910’s but the rural Camorra probably survived past this time. Look up Enrico Alfano and the Cuocolo Trial.

Interesting, didn't know they were different in the 1800's, I'll look into that later, thanks for the info.

[scagghiuni]

the camorra in and around naples goes back well over 200 yrs.. evidence from books in the 1500s make mention of what's thought to be the"Camorra " controlling the gambling in around naples

there is not any continuity, lines of succession, between the old Camorra and the today's one, it is not the same organization

Interesting, when did the old Camorra die? I saw in a documentary that before the NCO it still existed.

it was dismantled after the Cuocolo trial in the 1910s, in 1800s the Camorra was hierarchical with ranks and rituals

[aleksandrored]

the camorra in and around naples goes back well over 200 yrs.. evidence from books in the 1500s make mention of what's thought to be the"Camorra " controlling the gambling in around naples

there is not any continuity, lines of succession, between the old Camorra and the today's one, it is not the same organization

Interesting, when did the old Camorra die? I saw in a documentary that before the NCO it still existed.

it was dismantled after the Cuocolo trial in the 1910s, in 1800s the Camorra was hierarchical with ranks and rituals

Thanks for the information, I didn't know that Camorra had the same structure as Cosa Nostra in the old days. I saw that there is a book about this time: "The Men of Silence (1928)" and there is also a movie: "The City Stands Trial (1952)", both seem interesting.

[motorfab]

Thanks for the information, I didn't know that Camorra had the same structure as Cosa Nostra in the old days. I saw that there is a book about this time: "The Men of Silence (1928)" and there is also a movie: "The City Stands Trial (1952)", both seem interesting.

The movie is nice, it's a sort of "whodunit"

[johnny_scootch]

I didn't know that Camorra had the same structure as Cosa Nostra in the old days.

It was not the same as Cosa Nostra. Look toward Ndrangheta for those similarities as that organization probably started out as a branch of the Camorra before becoming its own thing. The old Camorristi rituals and ranks still live on in Calabria.

Check out John Dickie’s Mafia Brotherhoods and the follow up Mafia Republic.

[scagghiuni]

the camorra in and around naples goes back well over 200 yrs.. evidence from books in the 1500s make mention of what's thought to be the"Camorra " controlling the gambling in around naples

there is not any continuity, lines of succession, between the old Camorra and the today's one, it is not the same organization

Interesting, when did the old Camorra die? I saw in a documentary that before the NCO it still existed.

it was dismantled after the Cuocolo trial in the 1910s, in 1800s the Camorra was hierarchical with ranks and rituals

Thanks for the information, I didn't know that Camorra had the same structure as Cosa Nostra in the old days. I saw that there is a book about this time: "The Men of Silence (1928)" and there is also a movie: "The City Stands Trial (1952)", both seem interesting.

it was hierarchical but the ranks and rituals different than Cosa Nostra and more similar to Ndrangheta who probably copied them at the end of the 1800s. It seems the Ndrangheta started as a branch of the old Camorra

[aleksandrored]

Thanks for the information, I didn't know that Camorra had the same structure as Cosa Nostra in the old days. I saw that there is a book about this time: "The Men of Silence (1928)" and there is also a movie: "The City Stands Trial (1952)", both seem interesting.

The movie is nice, it's a sort of "whodunit"

Amazing, I'll see if I can watch it soon, I was seeing that there are some really good old Italian movies about Cosa Nostra and the Camorra.

[aleksandrored]

Thanks guys for the explanation about the Camorra hierarchy, I didn't know about the origins of the 'Ndrangheta being connected with the Camorra, thanks a lot for the information and explanations.

[DonPeppino386]

Check out John Dickie’s Mafia Brotherhoods and the follow up Mafia Republic.

I am almost finished Dickies Cosa Nostra. Which of his books should I read next? Also, is blood brotherhoods the same mafia brotherhoods that you are referring to?

[johnny_scootch]

I am almost finished Dickies Cosa Nostra. Which of his books should I read next? Also, is blood brotherhoods the same mafia brotherhoods that you are referring to?

Yes you are correct it’s Blood Brotherhoods, I made a mistake. Cosa Nostra is stand alone. Blood Brotherhoods deals with all the mafias up until 1945 and then Mafia Republic picks up in 1946 through the early 2010’s. So go with Blood Brotherhoods.

[DonPeppino386]

I am almost finished Dickies Cosa Nostra. Which of his books should I read next? Also, is blood brotherhoods the same mafia brotherhoods that you are referring to?

Yes you are correct it’s Blood Brotherhoods, I made a mistake. Cosa Nostra is stand alone. Blood Brotherhoods deals with all the mafias up until 1945 and then Mafia Republic picks up in 1946 through the early 2010’s. So go with Blood Brotherhoods.

Awesome! Thanks johnny!