Sullycantwell wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 5:14 pm
Was Ignazio Lupo ever capo dei capi? In the informer 2014 magazine they talk about how agents reported that Lupo was seen leading meetings with Morello’s family. Also Antonio Comito testified that he saw Lupo reprimand Morello. This strikes me as disrespectful and only acceptable if he was a capo dei capi. What are your thoughts?
The capo was supposed to be an equal of other bosses who operated more like a consigliere. Some of them could be tyrants but I imagine Lupo felt more comfortable speaking his mind as he was a boss himself and they were related.
Also possible Lupo was a sostituto for Morello. D'Aquila used someone from his own Family but there was an early 20s meeting in Buffalo where Chicago boss Mike Merlo seems to have presided. Wouldn't be surprised if other bosses could stand in as sostituto in national matters.
Lupo could have been on the Gran Consiglio too. There's a lot we don't know about protocol / rules for those early ruling bodies or who held seats. Gentile did say the Gran Consiglio "advised" the capo and if it's like the Family consiglio it means the Gran Consiglio could speak candidly or debate the capo. Gentile was on the Gran Consiglio and successfully challenged a D'Aquila-approved death sentence on his friends.
Sullycantwell wrote: ↑Sat Sep 03, 2022 5:14 pm
Was Ignazio Lupo ever capo dei capi? In the informer 2014 magazine they talk about how agents reported that Lupo was seen leading meetings with Morello’s family. Also Antonio Comito testified that he saw Lupo reprimand Morello. This strikes me as disrespectful and only acceptable if he was a capo dei capi. What are your thoughts?
The capo was supposed to be an equal of other bosses who operated more like a consigliere. Some of them could be tyrants but I imagine Lupo felt more comfortable speaking his mind as he was a boss himself and they were related.
Also possible Lupo was a sostituto for Morello. D'Aquila used someone from his own Family but there was an early 20s meeting in Buffalo where Chicago boss Mike Merlo seems to have presided. Wouldn't be surprised if other bosses could stand in as sostituto in national matters.
Lupo could have been on the Gran Consiglio too. There's a lot we don't know about protocol / rules for those early ruling bodies or who held seats. Gentile did say the Gran Consiglio "advised" the capo and if it's like the Family consiglio it means the Gran Consiglio could speak candidly or debate the capo. Gentile was on the Gran Consiglio and successfully challenged a D'Aquila-approved death sentence on his friends.
Thanks a lot! Besides Mike Dash’s book, Critchley’s book and informer magazine are there any books about this time period (1880’s-1920’s)?
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Thu Sep 01, 2022 1:21 pm
Did it ever come out who was involved with the murder of the Mangano brothers? I forgot.
Pogo
Giacomo "Jack" Sparacino, a made member was questioned by the police in regards to the Philip Mangano murder. In January 1952, Sparacino was found murdered in Brooklyn.
Thanks HK. This has to be one of the most successful big time hits in LCN history. A double murder where bodies aren't found and even 70 years and multiple informants later we don't even have an idea of who carried it out.
Pogo
It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits.
Just getting around to watching Boardwalk Empire (great show). In it they have Frankie Yale killing Big Jim Colosimo. I always thought it was Capone who did that killing. Is there something indicating Yale did it or was this just something for the show? Thanks.
Pogo
It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits.
Pogo The Clown wrote: ↑Fri Sep 09, 2022 5:31 pm
Just getting around to watching Boardwalk Empire (great show). In it they have Frankie Yale killing Big Jim Colosimo. I always thought it was Capone who did that killing. Is there something indicating Yale did it or was this just something for the show? Thanks.
Yale was the shooter. Was in town at the time. He probably shot O'Banion, too. The idea that Capone did it was speculation from an older era of research when we didn't know much.
Fun fact: Colosimo had a note found on his body that read "So long, vampire. So long, lefty.," whatever the hell that meant.
It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits.
I'm blanking on Mario and his site. Who are you talking about? Thanks.
Pogo
It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits.
It's a new morning in America... fresh, vital. The old cynicism is gone. We have faith in our leaders. We're optimistic as to what becomes of it all. It really boils down to our ability to accept. We don't need pessimism. There are no limits.
I was reading that Jimmy Fratianno's testimony resulted in the racketeering convictions of five reputedly high level Mafia figures. And that he also helped to convict the entire upper-echelon hierarchy of the mob in Los Angeles. Is all this true? what real damage did he do?
aleksandrored wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 7:30 pm
I was reading that Jimmy Fratianno's testimony resulted in the racketeering convictions of five reputedly high level Mafia figures. And that he also helped to convict the entire upper-echelon hierarchy of the mob in Los Angeles. Is all this true? what real damage did he do?
Fratianno's testimony did lead to the entirety of the Los Angeles administration being convicted. Dominic Brooklier received 4 years for racketeering, Samuel Sciortino got 4 years for racketeering and extortion with an additional 5 years for his case with Carlos Marcello and Jack Lo Cicero was sentenced to 2 years on racketeering and extortion charges.
Louis Dragna and Michael Rizzitello also were convicted, Dragna got 2 years with some fines and Rizzitello received a 5 year sentence for trying to extort the FBI porno operation
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aleksandrored wrote: ↑Sun Sep 11, 2022 7:30 pm
I was reading that Jimmy Fratianno's testimony resulted in the racketeering convictions of five reputedly high level Mafia figures. And that he also helped to convict the entire upper-echelon hierarchy of the mob in Los Angeles. Is all this true? what real damage did he do?
Fratianno's testimony did lead to the entirety of the Los Angeles administration being convicted. Dominic Brooklier received 4 years for racketeering, Samuel Sciortino got 4 years for racketeering and extortion with an additional 5 years for his case with Carlos Marcello and Jack Lo Cicero was sentenced to 2 years on racketeering and extortion charges.
Louis Dragna and Michael Rizzitello also were convicted, Dragna got 2 years with some fines and Rizzitello received a 5 year sentence for trying to extort the FBI porno operation
