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Besides Marcello has no doubt killed a lot more people than the Unabomber.


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Pogo The Clown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:28 am Besides Marcello has no doubt killed a lot more people than the Unabomber.


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Without a doubt. But still... tons of other outfit killers didn't end up in supermax.
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Coloboy wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:51 am
Pogo The Clown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:28 am Besides Marcello has no doubt killed a lot more people than the Unabomber.


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Without a doubt. But still... tons of other outfit killers didn't end up in supermax.
My assumption is it’s because Jimmy Lights was the boss and the Feds thought that by doing this they could put in a nail in the coffin of the Outfit.
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Definitely to keep him away from running his rackets, which he continued to do through his prior incarcerations.
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PolackTony wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:59 pm
Villain wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:56 pm
PolackTony wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:48 pm
Another guy who fascinates me is Bacino. The guy MAY have been a boss of a family before, but then he seems to have been content being a simple member with no higher position in Chicago. Who did Bacino answer to as capodecina? I wonder how much respect and weight he was accorded within the family, given his career.
Thats a tough one. We can see some of his close associates like Soldano being closely connected to LaPorte and Roberto since the early 30s which gives me the idea that he answered to Roberto/Emery and during that time he was probably on the same level as John Roberto and LaPorte but by the 1940s i think he went below them.
Yeah, he lived in Calumet City, so I figured the LaPorte regime but didn’t know if maybe he was with D’Andrea, Fusco, Pinelli maybe.

For all we know, maybe Bacino was the capodecina that Joe Costello was referring to in that sit down with Mooney! He lived until the 70s.
Bacino was also arrested in 1940 in Milwaukee and figured in a bootlegging case along with
Alphonse Caruso, Rockford
James Anastase, Rockford
Joe Grisafi/Grifasi, Calumet City
Joseph Spewak, Chicago
Sam Gottlieb, Chicago
Ben Krakover, Chicago
Eugene Presta, Chicago
WIlliam Covelli, Aurora
Tony Caponi, Kenosha
Frank Coconato, Kenosha
Frank Infusino, Kenosha
Ben Kalb, Kenosha
Joe Lescauski, Kenosha
Charles Cosentino, Kenosha
Aldo Nudi, Kenosha
Arthur Ricchio, Kenosha
Emil Ricchio, Kenosha
Roy Ricchio, Kenosha
Walter Schlaeger, Kenosha
Kenneth Jensen, Racine
Harry Vasiliu, Milwaukee
Henry Schmunk, Franksville
George Schulz, Burlington
Walter Steffen, Burlington
Bryant Roberts, Burlington
Herman Yanke, Lake Geneva
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cavita wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 11:36 am
PolackTony wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:59 pm
Villain wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:56 pm
PolackTony wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:48 pm
Another guy who fascinates me is Bacino. The guy MAY have been a boss of a family before, but then he seems to have been content being a simple member with no higher position in Chicago. Who did Bacino answer to as capodecina? I wonder how much respect and weight he was accorded within the family, given his career.
Thats a tough one. We can see some of his close associates like Soldano being closely connected to LaPorte and Roberto since the early 30s which gives me the idea that he answered to Roberto/Emery and during that time he was probably on the same level as John Roberto and LaPorte but by the 1940s i think he went below them.
Yeah, he lived in Calumet City, so I figured the LaPorte regime but didn’t know if maybe he was with D’Andrea, Fusco, Pinelli maybe.

For all we know, maybe Bacino was the capodecina that Joe Costello was referring to in that sit down with Mooney! He lived until the 70s.
Bacino was also arrested in 1940 in Milwaukee and figured in a bootlegging case along with
Alphonse Caruso, Rockford
James Anastase, Rockford
Joe Grisafi/Grifasi, Calumet City
Joseph Spewak, Chicago
Sam Gottlieb, Chicago
Ben Krakover, Chicago
Eugene Presta, Chicago
WIlliam Covelli, Aurora
Tony Caponi, Kenosha
Frank Coconato, Kenosha
Frank Infusino, Kenosha
Ben Kalb, Kenosha
Joe Lescauski, Kenosha
Charles Cosentino, Kenosha
Aldo Nudi, Kenosha
Arthur Ricchio, Kenosha
Emil Ricchio, Kenosha
Roy Ricchio, Kenosha
Walter Schlaeger, Kenosha
Kenneth Jensen, Racine
Harry Vasiliu, Milwaukee
Henry Schmunk, Franksville
George Schulz, Burlington
Walter Steffen, Burlington
Bryant Roberts, Burlington
Herman Yanke, Lake Geneva
Thanks, good find! Bacino otherwise seems to have kept a very low profile and doesn't appear in the Chicago press.
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PolackTony wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 11:39 am
cavita wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 11:36 am
PolackTony wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:59 pm
Villain wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:56 pm
PolackTony wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:48 pm
Another guy who fascinates me is Bacino. The guy MAY have been a boss of a family before, but then he seems to have been content being a simple member with no higher position in Chicago. Who did Bacino answer to as capodecina? I wonder how much respect and weight he was accorded within the family, given his career.
Thats a tough one. We can see some of his close associates like Soldano being closely connected to LaPorte and Roberto since the early 30s which gives me the idea that he answered to Roberto/Emery and during that time he was probably on the same level as John Roberto and LaPorte but by the 1940s i think he went below them.
Yeah, he lived in Calumet City, so I figured the LaPorte regime but didn’t know if maybe he was with D’Andrea, Fusco, Pinelli maybe.

For all we know, maybe Bacino was the capodecina that Joe Costello was referring to in that sit down with Mooney! He lived until the 70s.
Bacino was also arrested in 1940 in Milwaukee and figured in a bootlegging case along with
Alphonse Caruso, Rockford
James Anastase, Rockford
Joe Grisafi/Grifasi, Calumet City
Joseph Spewak, Chicago
Sam Gottlieb, Chicago
Ben Krakover, Chicago
Eugene Presta, Chicago
WIlliam Covelli, Aurora
Tony Caponi, Kenosha
Frank Coconato, Kenosha
Frank Infusino, Kenosha
Ben Kalb, Kenosha
Joe Lescauski, Kenosha
Charles Cosentino, Kenosha
Aldo Nudi, Kenosha
Arthur Ricchio, Kenosha
Emil Ricchio, Kenosha
Roy Ricchio, Kenosha
Walter Schlaeger, Kenosha
Kenneth Jensen, Racine
Harry Vasiliu, Milwaukee
Henry Schmunk, Franksville
George Schulz, Burlington
Walter Steffen, Burlington
Bryant Roberts, Burlington
Herman Yanke, Lake Geneva
Thanks, good find! Bacino otherwise seems to have kept a very low profile and doesn't appear in the Chicago press.
As a side note, at least one newspaper said that Infusino was the alleged ringleader in this operation and that Roy Ricchio was his lieutenant.
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I wonder if they were connected to Tony Iorii, who allegedly ran Kenosha for the Outfit.
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PolackTony wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:53 am
Coloboy wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:51 am
Pogo The Clown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:28 am Besides Marcello has no doubt killed a lot more people than the Unabomber.


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Without a doubt. But still... tons of other outfit killers didn't end up in supermax.
My assumption is it’s because Jimmy Lights was the boss and the Feds thought that by doing this they could put in a nail in the coffin of the Outfit.
Sounds plausible for sure.

I always wonder how much the feds know about the full structure at any given time. At the time of his arrest in 2005, Jimmy was the "boss" as far as most folks were concerned. however, I think the majority of researchers on this board would agree that specifically Andriacchi, Lombardo, and Difronzo all probably outranked him as far as the official hierarchy went. I wonder if they were clued to into that or were in the dark as much as we are. All in all, family secrets was not near as devastating to the outfit as it was made out to be. Marcello was the biggest catch for sure, as he was an old school active leader. But most of the higher ranking guys were untouched outside of lombardo, and even he had strong successors on Grand Ave like Cozzo, Vena, and Spina to step in.
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Antiliar wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 2:01 pm I wonder if they were connected to Tony Iorii, who allegedly ran Kenosha for the Outfit.
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Villain wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:35 am
Antiliar wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 2:01 pm I wonder if they were connected to Tony Iorii, who allegedly ran Kenosha for the Outfit.
Where did you read this?
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Antiliar wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:45 am
Villain wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:35 am
Antiliar wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 2:01 pm I wonder if they were connected to Tony Iorii, who allegedly ran Kenosha for the Outfit.
Where did you read this?
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Thanks. Interesting because Iorii was allegedly closely connected to Battaglia who in turn was born in Kenosha.
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Some random findings:

One informant theory put forth for Chuck Nicoletti's murder was that he was the only one of a group of Outfit members (other names not mentioned) to vote "no" on a new business venture. It was suggested that Nicoletti wasn't aggressive enough and was unwilling to move over and give up control of some of his rackets. As a result, younger members like Turk Torello and Tony Spilotro had grown impatient. This may have contributed to his murder. Louis Eboli was named as the shooter via an anonymous tip to the FBI.

Butch Petrocelli was registered in area hotels in the days leading up to Frank Bompensiero's murder in 1977. Thomas Ricciardi (Los Angeles LCN associate) was later charged with the murder but died before trial. Petrocelli's involvement, if any, was not put forth.
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Snakes wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:19 am Some random findings:

One informant theory put forth for Chuck Nicoletti's murder was that he was the only one of a group of Outfit members (other names not mentioned) to vote "no" on a new business venture. It was suggested that Nicoletti wasn't aggressive enough and was unwilling to move over and give up control of some of his rackets. As a result, younger members like Turk Torello and Tony Spilotro had grown impatient. This may have contributed to his murder. Louis Eboli was named as the shooter via an anonymous tip to the FBI.

Butch Petrocelli was registered in area hotels in the days leading up to Frank Bompensiero's murder in 1977. Thomas Ricciardi (Los Angeles LCN associate) was later charged with the murder but died before trial. Petrocelli's involvement, if any, was not put forth.
I thought Chuckie was clipped for the JFK plot? :lol: Kidding. From what I've been told, Buddy Ciotti was also a central figure in the Nicoletti issue and some of that stemmed from the fact he looked down on Eboli's cowboy crew who were known for having fights at bars around town.

Prior to Nicoletti's death, there is a really scary and quite frankly enraging investigation the FBI did on Ciotti and Eboli who were hiding the hit car used in the Seifert murder in Ciotti's garage where Buddy apparently had his wife murdered for seeing the car in the garage. Tom Eboli the top cop at the time in Melrose was lead investigator in her death.
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Snakes wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:19 am Some random findings:

One informant theory put forth for Chuck Nicoletti's murder was that he was the only one of a group of Outfit members (other names not mentioned) to vote "no" on a new business venture. It was suggested that Nicoletti wasn't aggressive enough and was unwilling to move over and give up control of some of his rackets. As a result, younger members like Turk Torello and Tony Spilotro had grown impatient. This may have contributed to his murder. Louis Eboli was named as the shooter via an anonymous tip to the FBI.

Butch Petrocelli was registered in area hotels in the days leading up to Frank Bompensiero's murder in 1977. Thomas Ricciardi (Los Angeles LCN associate) was later charged with the murder but died before trial. Petrocelli's involvement, if any, was not put forth.
For what it’s worth, Frank Culotta said Nicoletti got hit for carrying out an unauthorized murder. According to him, Nicoletti went to the bosses for approval, got a no, but did it anyway. I can’t recall the source, but one other outfit connected person offered up the same story.
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