Chicago Outfit Lineage Chart 1928-2017

[Villain]

In addition to Antiliars post, we even have conflicting infos during the late 1960s like for example Ricca and Accardo comming out of retirement and taking over the organization, while previously we have good infos of Ricca being involved in commission matters and Accardo giving away contracts during the early and mid 1960s...meanin what retirement?! This also explains the so-called "ruling panel" during the early 1970s, which i personally belive that this kind of top administration (top boss, senior adviser or member and boss) was never diminished since the 1940s. One proof for that is LaPorte, one quite powerful capo, who acted as messanger for the administration and according to one wrietapped convo he felt quite tired of it. So if there was only one boss and underboss, why would LaPorte go between Giancana and Ricca and Accardo, the two alleged semi-retired bosses, delivering msgs and not visting first the underboss or the rest of the capos? Simply because the underboss waited for the three top guys to make up their minds

[Confederate]

Hey we're cool Villian. Thanks for the PM.
I was only saying that I agree with Pete and Snakes that from what I have read the Chicago Outfit doesn't use the same TERMINOLOGY as New York. I also agree with Pete that there doesn't seem to be a Consigliere position with ONE guy in Chicago.They don't even call anybody a Consigliere from what I read. It just seems like there were SEVERAL ADVISORS (not just one) at anytime during the Outfit's heyday and maybe the same today. Like for example, Angelo LaPietra seemed like he automatically was a High Level advisor when he got out of prison and probably advised the crew Boss of 26th St., Joey Lombardo seemed like he was automatically another high level Advisor to the boss of Grand Ave. when he got out of Prison and had to lay low. Auippa and Cerone seemed like High Level Advisors to Carlisi and DiFronzo even from prison.
Chicago seemed to have A LOT of high Level Advisors who weren't called Consigliere. Also, (I could be wrong) I think Nick Calabrese referred to the Top Bosses of the Outfit as the #1 and #2.

[Villain]

Hey we're cool Villian. Thanks for the PM.
I was only saying that I agree with Pete and Snakes that from what I have read the Chicago Outfit doesn't use the same TERMINOLOGY as New York. I also agree with Pete that there doesn't seem to be a Consigliere position with ONE guy in Chicago.They don't even call anybody a Consigliere from what I read. It just seems like there were SEVERAL ADVISORS (not just one) at anytime during the Outfit's heyday and maybe the same today. Like for example, Angelo LaPietra seemed like he automatically was a High Level advisor when he got out of prison and probably advised the crew Boss of 26th St., Joey Lombardo seemed like he was automatically another high level Advisor to the boss of Grand Ave. when he got out of Prison and had to lay low. Auippa and Cerone seemed like High Level Advisors to Carlisi and DiFronzo even from prison.
Chicago seemed to have A LOT of high Level Advisors who weren't called Consigliere. Also, (I could be wrong) I think Nick Calabrese referred to the Top Bosses of the Outfit as the #1 and #2.

No problem man and thank you for stating that it was a misunderstanding.

According to my records, from the 1950's, 60's and 70's, there was only one NUMBER 2 or senior adviser, and as for the rest of the decades I beg you or anyone to show me some report from Calabrese's testimony and Scalise's which says that LaPietra was involved in some kind of high level adviser role, since that period is quite confusing for me. Im not saying that kind of info doesnt exist, but instead maybe I missed or havent researched it yet. Also some of the guys around here reported that Lombardo was on meetings regarding various high level matters, not just being the adviser of the Grand Av group and its natural for the former bosses to place one of their underlings from the same group on high positions, which doesnt mean that if they got out of prison, they would end up as the advisers of their own former crews. When Ricca was alive, Accardo was the number 2 and advised everyone, not just the Elmwood Park crew, same as Gus Alex whop inherited his position. For example, there's a record that during the mid 1970's, Alex advised Aiuppa not to get involved in narcotics.

And another thing, I dont want to sound like some egoistic maniac but I would like to state that this project should be formed ONLY by government records, wiretapped records, witness reports, media coverage (no matter the time period) and possibly statements from relatives of dead members and associates, nothing else.

[Confederate]

Yes, that's what I mean. Lombardo & LaPietra seemed to be high level Advisors to the two top Bossses AND to their crew Bosses who replaced them on the day to day. Snakes probably knows better than me, but there was some Chicago Intelligence report around 1997 that I had read that stated there were about 70 made members in the Outfit (counting guys in Jail) and had LaPietra right up there on the Top level as ONE of the Advisors.
The report also stated that the Crews had been reduced from 7 down to three and named them as North, West & South rather than calling them Grand Avenue, Elmwood Park etc.

[Villain]

but there was some Chicago Intelligence report around 1997 that I had read that stated there were about 70 made members in the Outfit (counting guys in Jail) and had LaPietra right up there on the Top level as ONE of the Advisors.
The report also stated that the Crews had been reduced from 7 down to three and named them as North, West & South rather than calling them Grand Avenue, Elmwood Park etc.

Now thats the kind of stuff which I would like to see

[Snakes]

That was a CCC report, if I remember correctly. From what I've seen, the Outfit hasn't had more than fifty documented made members since the early eighties.

[Villain]

Do you guys have any link to it or it exists only in hard copy?

http://www.ipsn.org/cc97.html is it this one?

[Confederate]

Do you guys have any link to it or it exists only in hard copy?

http://www.ipsn.org/cc97.html is it this one?

That's PART of it. Google "Chicago Crime Commision-Laborers.org" and you will see a chart. There was a whole large report that I can't find anymore that had A LOT more information. It was MANY pages long.

[Villain]

Do you guys have any link to it or it exists only in hard copy?

http://www.ipsn.org/cc97.html is it this one?

That's PART of it. Google "Chicago Crime Commision-Laborers.org" and you will see a chart. There was a whole large report that I can't find anymore that had A LOT more information. It was MANY pages long.

Thanks man

[Pete]

http://www.ipsn.org/OutfitChart.html Here is the chart showing lapietra as adviser with Lombardo and difronzo as boss

[Pete]

Also interesting to note going through nick calabrese testimony and he states monteleone succeeded carlisi as boss if things weren't confusing enough already lol. So that could mean difronzo was acting boss for carlisi and by the time carlisi officially stepped down that apes was made boss? Don't know but thought I'd pass that on. Also Has marcello becoming capo in 86 after carlisi made boss.

[Villain]

Thanks a lot for the link Pete and also thank you for the additional confusing info although its not that confusing but Ill get back to you

[Villain]

In addition, that same chart, no matter if has some conflicting infos, again proves the so-called top triumvirate (without the underboss) which was possibly created since the 40's

[Pete]

Also in regards to accardo they asked what his position was at the time of all the murders tied to the burglary of his house. Nick said retired former boss. When asked did he still have some position of authority nick said he assumed so but didn't know. This makes sense as I don't think accardo spent much if any time with soldiers. His whole reason for stepping down was to have the heat on someone else. If you had a soldier that couldn't say for sure whether accardo had a position that's good insulation as it would be hard to convict him of anything when most people couldn't testify as to him having a position still

[Pete]

In addition, that same chart, no matter if has some conflicting infos, again proves the so-called top triumvirate (without the underboss) which was possibly created since the 40's

There have been times specifically with accardo and aiuppa and cerone that I think the outfit operated more as a committee. They would all make major decisions together. I think this is more likely than one person had final say but I seems this almost certainly went away at some point. Or maybe went away and came back. I have never seen anything that said carlisi had to get approval from accardo to do anything which makes sense as accardo was very old by the time carlisi was boss and spent most of his time in Palm Springs. Sorry I'm not intending for us to go around in a circle again on this lol