Ronnie Carabbia RIP...

[Newyorkempire]

Any info on John Oliverio? Dead or alive?

[coldshoulder]

Ok, so Ronnie Carabbia's obituary was published in the Youngstown Vindicator today, and I've got a few observations.

https://www.vindy.com/obituaries/2021/1 ... 1929-2021/

This passage is likely the family's way of providing him some legitimacy:
"...Ron had numerous business ventures over the years."

But then this sentence, with the use of the word "organizing" and the phrase "making a deal", almost reads as them trolling the various law enforcement folks who were his nemesis all those years:
"...He always enjoyed the challenge of organizing and operating new businesses and until his death continued to pursue the art of making a deal."

Ronnie's brother Charlie, as has been well documented, was set up and taken out in the early 80's during the "Naples-Carabbia war" in the Mahoning Valley during that time. It was always reported that Ronnie's other brother Orlando (Orlie) had to be then left alone because Ronnie was in prison for the Danny Greene bombing murder, and that Orlie would need to provide for Ronnie's (and maybe Charlie's) wife and kids.

Orlando Carabbia also died within the past year:

https://www.vindy.com/obituaries/2021/0 ... 1927-2021/

Big question: If they were brothers, how come Ronnie's obituary does not list Orlando as a brother; nor does Orlando's obituary mention Ronnie as a brother, even though both reference the deceased Charlie as a brother...? There is a slight difference in both obituaries of their birth parents' names, but close enough that they appear to be the same.

Perhaps our resident Youngstown experts--FOH, JCB, Stroccos--have some insight.

[Stroccos]

Ok, so Ronnie Carabbia's obituary was published in the Youngstown Vindicator today, and I've got a few observations.

https://www.vindy.com/obituaries/2021/1 ... 1929-2021/

This passage is likely the family's way of providing him some legitimacy:
"...Ron had numerous business ventures over the years."

But then this sentence, with the use of the word "organizing" and the phrase "making a deal", almost reads as them trolling the various law enforcement folks who were his nemesis all those years:
"...He always enjoyed the challenge of organizing and operating new businesses and until his death continued to pursue the art of making a deal."

Ronnie's brother Charlie, as has been well documented, was set up and taken out in the early 80's during the "Naples-Carabbia war" in the Mahoning Valley during that time. It was always reported that Ronnie's other brother Orlando (Orlie) had to be then left alone because Ronnie was in prison for the Danny Greene bombing murder, and that Orlie would need to provide for Ronnie's (and maybe Charlie's) wife and kids.

Orlando Carabbia also died within the past year:

https://www.vindy.com/obituaries/2021/0 ... 1927-2021/

Big question: If they were brothers, how come Ronnie's obituary does not list Orlando as a brother; nor does Orlando's obituary mention Ronnie as a brother, even though both reference the deceased Charlie as a brother...? There is a slight difference in both obituaries of their birth parents' names, but close enough that they appear to be the same.

Perhaps our resident Youngstown experts--FOH, JCB, Stroccos--have some insight.

I believe They had a fallen out over Charlie’s death

[FriendofFamily]

Ronald Lucarelli, Jr. might be made.

Yeah he is living in a Suburb of Detroit now. I know which suburb I am just not posting it. He is 64 years old now.

[FriendofFamily]

The drug Trade was the undoing of the Cleveland LCN. Old timers wanted to stay low key without the HEAT and the Young Guys wanted the BIG FAST MONEY.

[FriendofHenry]

The Drug business brings with it Money and Trouble. The smart Old Timers were satisfied with what they were doing and staying out of trouble.
If you asked me, I'd say "Pretty Smart"

[Newyorkempire]

The Drug business brings with it Money and Trouble. The smart Old Timers were satisfied with what they were doing and staying out of trouble.
If you asked me, I'd say "Pretty Smart"

FoH...any words to offer on Oliverio or the Corbo brothers?

[Newyorkempire]

Sorry. Should have directed that question to Stroccos. If he knows

[FriendofHenry]

Sorry. Should have directed that question to Stroccos. If he knows

No problem...No blood, no foul

[FriendofFamily]

Any info on John Oliverio? Dead or alive?

Alive as far as anyone knows...

[Newyorkempire]

Any info on John Oliverio? Dead or alive?

Alive as far as anyone knows...

If so. Presumably made and relatively young. 60s

[FriendofFamily]

Age 64-68

[coldshoulder]

Big question: If they were brothers, how come Ronnie's obituary does not list Orlando as a brother; nor does Orlando's obituary mention Ronnie as a brother, even though both reference the deceased Charlie as a brother...?

OK, so I only got one response to my question (thanks Stroccos), and the thread has gotten a little sidetracked since. But no big deal.

I had assumed that there was obviously some kind of falling out between Ronnie and Orlie Carabbia at some point, which is why neither obit mentioned the other as a brother. But I was hoping for a bit more insight.

The only thing I can surmise is that if Licavoli and Lonardo tacitly gave their approval to Prato and Naples, as has been reported, to take out Charlie Crab if he continued to be a problem, then Orlie likely assumed that Ronnie (even though in prison) had enough power and could have perhaps intervened and stopped it. Question is would the Cleveland leaders even have bothered to get word to Ronnie that his brother Charlie was in danger? And if so, could Ronnie have been persuasive enough to insist that they back off?

And as I've speculated before, could it have been that Licavoli and Lonardo had much bigger and more important issues to take care of in their own backyard amidst the chaos that came after the Greene murder that they made a business decision to allow the elimination (Charlie Crab) of one of their lesser, but nagging problems?

As with any re-hash of LCN activities, especially those that date back some 40+ years, there's always going to be room for speculation and different interpretations, and I'll admit I'm guilty. I could be way off base. That's why I was seeking some further voices to paint the picture a little more clearer.

[FriendofFamily]

Big question: If they were brothers, how come Ronnie's obituary does not list Orlando as a brother; nor does Orlando's obituary mention Ronnie as a brother, even though both reference the deceased Charlie as a brother...?

OK, so I only got one response to my question (thanks Stroccos), and the thread has gotten a little sidetracked since. But no big deal.

I had assumed that there was obviously some kind of falling out between Ronnie and Orlie Carabbia at some point, which is why neither obit mentioned the other as a brother. But I was hoping for a bit more insight.

The only thing I can surmise is that if Licavoli and Lonardo tacitly gave their approval to Prato and Naples, as has been reported, to take out Charlie Crab if he continued to be a problem, then Orlie likely assumed that Ronnie (even though in prison) had enough power and could have perhaps intervened and stopped it. Question is would the Cleveland leaders even have bothered to get word to Ronnie that his brother Charlie was in danger? And if so, could Ronnie have been persuasive enough to insist that they back off?

And as I've speculated before, could it have been that Licavoli and Lonardo had much bigger and more important issues to take care of in their own backyard amidst the chaos that came after the Greene murder that they made a business decision to allow the elimination (Charlie Crab) of one of their lesser, but nagging problems?

As with any re-hash of LCN activities, especially those that date back some 40+ years, there's always going to be room for speculation and different interpretations, and I'll admit I'm guilty. I could be way off base. That's why I was seeking some further voices to paint the picture a little more clearer.

Ronnie was in no position to change Charlie's outcome. The Mouth got him and it was time to shut it as they were bigger fish to fry and try to get some order again.

[Ivan]

Big question: If they were brothers, how come Ronnie's obituary does not list Orlando as a brother; nor does Orlando's obituary mention Ronnie as a brother, even though both reference the deceased Charlie as a brother...?

OK, so I only got one response to my question (thanks Stroccos), and the thread has gotten a little sidetracked since. But no big deal.

I had assumed that there was obviously some kind of falling out between Ronnie and Orlie Carabbia at some point, which is why neither obit mentioned the other as a brother. But I was hoping for a bit more insight.

The only thing I can surmise is that if Licavoli and Lonardo tacitly gave their approval to Prato and Naples, as has been reported, to take out Charlie Crab if he continued to be a problem, then Orlie likely assumed that Ronnie (even though in prison) had enough power and could have perhaps intervened and stopped it. Question is would the Cleveland leaders even have bothered to get word to Ronnie that his brother Charlie was in danger? And if so, could Ronnie have been persuasive enough to insist that they back off?

And as I've speculated before, could it have been that Licavoli and Lonardo had much bigger and more important issues to take care of in their own backyard amidst the chaos that came after the Greene murder that they made a business decision to allow the elimination (Charlie Crab) of one of their lesser, but nagging problems?

As with any re-hash of LCN activities, especially those that date back some 40+ years, there's always going to be room for speculation and different interpretations, and I'll admit I'm guilty. I could be way off base. That's why I was seeking some further voices to paint the picture a little more clearer.

Ronnie was in no position to change Charlie's outcome. The Mouth got him and it was time to shut it as they were bigger fish to fry and try to get some order again.

Could you go into more detail (as much as you can) about what Charlie's transgressions were that actually got him killed, and what you know of how the hit went down? I remember Strollo confessed to setting him up with a phone call.