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B. wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:58 am Wasn't Gaetano Costa from Messina a member of the 'Ndrangheta? I read he was inducted in both the Sicilian mafia and 'ndrangheta but I don't know the details.

Costa became a pentito and also said Nitto Santapaolo of Catania was an 'Ndranghetista before he was made into the Sicilian mafia. Calderone didn't say anything like that from what I remember. Anyone know more?
https://ildispaccio.it/reggio-calabria/ ... cosa-nuova

La Cosa Nuova (The New Thing). It is true that, in the 1990s, the existence of an evolution of the 'Ndrangheta and Mafia structure had not held up in court, but today, in the light of the new acquisitions, the concept could return with different weight. To relaunch it, during the "Gotha" trial, is the collaborator of justice Gaetano Costa, born in Messina, but affiliated with the 'Ndrangheta: "Since the 1970s, there was no Cosa Nostra in Messina, but there was the' Ndrangheta" he says, answering the questions of the deputy prosecutor Giuseppe Lombardo.
With the maxi-trial "Gotha", the DDA of Reggio Calabria brought the Reggio Calabria masso-'ndrangheta to trial. The Masonic dome is reserved for the 'ndrine - superordinate to them - which would have been ruled by the lawyers Paolo Romeo and Giorgio De Stefano.

Costa was called to depose precisely on the issues of the ties between the 'Ndrangheta and Freemasonry and on the "Cosa Nuova". Collaborator since 1994, he outlines Messina (at least until the years of his choice to repent) as a branch of Calabria, in particular of the Piromalli, De Stefano, Strangio, Giorgi and Gioffrè families. Costa lived through the years in which the 'Ndrangheta modernized itself through the creation of the secret structure of the "Santa", which allowed the clans to make a leap in quality: "Until the birth of the Saint there was a form of repudiation of power, from there instead the link with politics and Freemasonry is born: everything has been bastardized ". And, however, thanks to this evolution, Costa can say that he knew that some trials had been "fixed" in the past by the Piromalli, even in the Supreme Court.

Daughter of this need to modernize crime and be able to make it insinuate into the ganglia of power, it would have been the idea of ​​forming the "New Thing", a sort of governing body, placed above the clans, which arose in the months following the end of the second mafia war, formed by the representatives of the most important families, with attributions concerning the care of relations with other historical mafia organizations, a sort of redistribution of the various compartments of the 'Ndrangheta. The idea of ​​the "New Thing" is communicated to Costa by Domenico Raso, a strong man of the 'ndrine of the Piana di Gioia Tauro, a few months before Costa decides to repent. Everything would have been born from the direction of the Piromalli, the Pesce, the Bellocco, the Mancuso di Limbadi and the Muto di Cetraro, but it should also have involved Sicily and, in particular, the Corleonesi of Totò Riina, in that period hegemonic after the massacres of Capaci and via d'Amelio: "It was to counteract the seizure of assets and to stem pentiti, but also to strengthen relations between the mafia and the 'Ndrangheta" explains Costa.

The employee finally focuses on the role the lawyer Giorgio De Stefano, considered the "mastermind" of the family: "In close relationships with Barbaro and Papalia of Platì and Mariano Agate of Mazara del Vallo and Leoluca Bagarella".
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Costa was capobastone of his 'ndrina in Siderno. They were in a war against the Commissos who made a lot of victims both side of Atlantic including one his brother who was deaf (and definitely not a criminal) and another one in Canada.

First time I see something saying that Santapaola was a 'ndrangheta member before joining CN :shock:
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motorfab wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:20 am Costa was capobastone of his 'ndrina in Siderno. They were in a war against the Commissos who made a lot of victims both side of Atlantic including one his brother who was deaf (and definitely not a criminal) and another one in Canada.

First time I see something saying that Santapaola was a 'ndrangheta member before joining CN :shock:
Before the 1990s the Mafia was more powerful than the Ndrangheta,in the 1970s even Cutolo was baptized in the ndragheta.
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furiofromnaples wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:50 am Before the 1990s the Mafia was more powerful than the Ndrangheta,in the 1970s even Cutolo was baptized in the ndragheta.
Yes, probably for Cutolo, he was close to the 'ndrangheta, but I am quite surprised to read that Santapaola may have been a member of 'ndrangheta before joining LCN. Especially since as B. said, Calderone does not mention it. But why not, it is true that Santapaola is also close to certain 'ndrine. I think I read that he was close to Natale Iamonte
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in north italy there are sicilians and neapolitans who are ndrangheta members
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scagghiuni wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:00 am in north italy there are sicilians and neapolitans who are ndrangheta members
Are they inducted members or are they simply associates?
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ThutmosisChen wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:25 am
scagghiuni wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:00 am in north italy there are sicilians and neapolitans who are ndrangheta members
Are they inducted members or are they simply associates?
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapporti_ ... la_Camorra

Antonio Schettini a camorrista inducted in the Flachi ndrina and the ndranghetista Franco Coco Trovato that was part of the Carmine Alfieri clan.
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furiofromnaples wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:57 am
ThutmosisChen wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:25 am
scagghiuni wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:00 am in north italy there are sicilians and neapolitans who are ndrangheta members
Are they inducted members or are they simply associates?
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapporti_ ... la_Camorra

Antonio Schettini a camorrista inducted in the Flachi ndrina and the ndranghetista Franco Coco Trovato that was part of the Carmine Alfieri clan.
Thanks furio.
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I stand corrected, of course. Interesting info here.
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PolackTony wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:07 pm I stand corrected, of course. Interesting info here.
In fact I wanted to agree with you. But the double affiliations was rare.
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What similarities & differences do they have with the Sicilian Mafia/American Mob?
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Shellackhead wrote: Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:42 pm What similarities & differences do they have with the Sicilian Mafia/American Mob?
The Sicilian Mafia have more power,kill who flip so they must leave Sicily and will live under a fake identity with the rest of their life (instead in Usa they live free without dangers),have more politicians on it payroll.
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I think he meant similarities & differences between Sicilian Mafia/American and 'Ndrangheta.

'Ndrinas are mostly blood family, that's why they are so secretive, its much harder to 'rat' on your blood family.

The 'Ndrangheta structure is different , i posted it here on some thread , will try to find it and re-post it here.
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Minor society

1. Giovane d’onore - It's not a real rank but it is assigned to babies born in 'Ndrangheta families,one day they can become full members.

2.Contrasto - trusted associate

3.Contrasto Onorato - literally means honored associate

4.Picciotto d'Onore - Lowest rank , just someone who is running around executing orders.

5.Camorrista - same like number 4,but with more trust and experience, and they are given orders/tasks that 4. cannot perform.

6.Sgarrista or Camorrista of Sgarro - Camorrista with important position,last rank in Minor society.

Major society

1.Santista - first and lowest rank of Major society

2.Vangelo - Also called "Evangelist",these are members that complete initiation, they swore allegiance to 'Ndrnagheta by putting his hand on a photo of the gospel.

3.Quartino

4.Trequartino

5.Padrino o Quintino - highest rank of 'Ndrangheta meaning "The Godfather".

There are some more ranks discovered in 2010,regarding highest members of 'La Santa'. Politicians , freemasonry members,secret service members can become part of 'La Santa'.

Crociata

Stella

Bartolo

Mammasantissima

Infinito

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To complete Strax's post here are two flowcharts that present the structures of Cosa Nostra & 'ndrangheta. It comes from John Dicie's book, Mafia Brotherhood

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